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| Robin_Watts | Dan. Got to reboot. brb. | 12:20.31 |
| kens | Hi tor8 I gather you couldn't change your flights ? | 13:49.09 |
| tor8 | kens: yeah, no luck. the website won't let me, and I gave them a call on saturday and they said they don't offer rebookings for flights that are connecting onward | 13:49.42 |
| kens | Same situation as me then :-( | 13:49.54 |
| | Fingers crossed I guess..... | 13:50.11 |
| tor8 | hopefully we'll make it! fingers crossed and all that. | 13:50.19 |
| | I am mostly worried about the chaos causing us to miss the miami flight. being stranded in heathrow overnight would be no fun! | 13:52.06 |
| kens | I think that's a valid concern. | 13:52.20 |
| | I may be delayed, I hope not, but its possible. At least I only haev to wait for a plane to become available. | 13:52.40 |
| tor8 | kens: I believe my miami flight is the last of the day too, so no options if I miss it. | 13:54.03 |
| kens | That's even worse :-( | 13:54.14 |
| tor8 | well, the option is either pester them to send me back home, or go through the passport to a hotel! argh. | 13:54.37 |
| Robin_Watts | remembers to check in | 13:54.57 |
| kens | Well, I would offer you a bed, but it would be even more painful to come all the way round here and then have to go back again... | 13:55.08 |
| | A hotel wouldn't be too bad, ssuming there are any beds left by then. | 13:55.34 |
| tor8 | I doubt it, I think even the next day flights will be booked full already | 13:55.53 |
| kens | I'm sure that's true, I think lots of people have been trying to rebook | 13:56.18 |
| | Robin_Watts : do you understnad the stream filters and so on ? | 13:56.47 |
| | I only ask because this involves downsampling an image | 13:57.10 |
| Robin_Watts | a bit | 13:57.39 |
| | I understand the downsampler | 13:57.56 |
| kens | I have a weird problem. If I have *both* colour conversion and image downsampling *and* the source is 1 bpp, then the output data is short. | 13:58.12 |
| | Remove any one fo those conditions and its OK. | 13:58.25 |
| | I think hte problem might be that the stream code isn't flushing the last buffer of data | 13:58.53 |
| | 'maybe' | 13:59.01 |
| | Are there any debugging flags for the satream code ? | 13:59.13 |
| | stream | 13:59.16 |
| Robin_Watts | Not that I know of. | 13:59.23 |
| kens | I was afraid you woudl say that :-( | 13:59.31 |
| | Guess its back to slogging then. | 13:59.40 |
| | Doesn't help that the source image is pure white. | 13:59.52 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: I'm prepping for the trip at the moment, but may get a chance to have a look in a bit if you want | 14:02.27 |
| | must have lunch. | 14:02.30 |
| kens | Don't qorry, I'll keep poking, but thanks. | 14:02.40 |
| | Oh drat, I've been running the wrong test file :-( | 14:03.51 |
| | Hmm, I wonder if this is an ICC profiles problem.... | 14:06.25 |
| | Robin_Watts : for when you get back. I don't believe this is a problem but why does gs_image_cleanup call the device dev_spec_op method with 'gxdso_pattern_is_cpath_accum' ? | 14:18.09 |
| | -Zs seems to be the streams debugging flag, but the code seems to use 'u''... | 14:27.45 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: I changed the pattern handling stuff to use gxdso's, so I just changed what was there to start with. | 14:34.43 |
| kens | Fair enough, I hoped you might know what it meant ;-) | 14:35.09 |
| | I may end up needing Ray's help with this, it all looks OK to me, but the data is short | 14:35.59 |
| Robin_Watts | What bug number ? | 14:42.04 |
| | chrisl: Have you checked in yet? | 14:42.16 |
| kens | #692030 but its a pdfwrite one | 14:42.28 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: yes, thanks, I did it an hour or so ago | 14:42.37 |
| | Even better, I managed to change my seat to an aisle seat for next Sunday :-) | 14:44.19 |
| Robin_Watts | Nice! | 14:44.31 |
| kens | Really ? I should go look | 14:44.39 |
| chrisl | Worth a try, but I wouldn't hold your breath..... | 14:44.57 |
| kens | Thought I might see if they have any 'purple seats' available on the day | 14:45.16 |
| Robin_Watts | Were there any 2's? | 14:45.18 |
| | No seats showing spare for me. | 14:45.40 |
| chrisl | When I changed my seat, there were only two listed as free, the one I bagged, and a centre row one | 14:46.00 |
| | I couldn't see an upgrade option either | 14:46.15 |
| kens | I have a centrre row one :-( | 14:46.17 |
| chrisl | Yeh, I did have, too. I tend to check my seats when I check-in just in case a better one is available - this time, I got lucky | 14:47.11 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: The code takes a different route if it's downscaling with ICC than if it's upscaling with ICC. | 14:47.41 |
| kens | It also uses different code for pdfwrite I think | 14:47.58 |
| Robin_Watts | oh. | 14:48.33 |
| kens | pdfwrite uses either /Average, /Bicubi or /Subsample | 14:48.57 |
| | Currently 2 centre sets showing as free :-( | 14:49.22 |
| | Sorry, 1, the other is mine... | 14:49.31 |
| Robin_Watts | I don't even see them :( | 14:49.58 |
| chrisl | kens: Is that for Wednesday or Sunday? | 14:50.13 |
| kens | Sunday | 14:50.18 |
| | I'm guessing chrisl was in 57F | 14:50.30 |
| chrisl | Sounds about right, yeh | 14:50.49 |
| | <sigh> need to reboot - again....... | 14:51.36 |
| kens | Lots of seats for Wednesday | 14:52.10 |
| henrys | kens:stream - -Zs no? | 16:11.58 |
| kens | Yes, I said so above ;-) | 16:12.10 |
| | But its too much output | 16:12.21 |
| chrisl | Is anyone else finding gmail horrible slow right now? | 16:15.46 |
| kens | I don't really use it as such | 16:16.03 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: ALL my internet is horribly slow. | 16:16.09 |
| | It's been referred to BT, but... | 16:16.14 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: might be fixed by the time we get back (he said, naively hopefully)? | 16:16.57 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: That's what I'm hoping, but experience tells me it will require a home visit before they accept that the problem is NOT in my house. | 16:17.32 |
| chrisl | :-( | 16:18.06 |
| | kens: so how do you access your artifex mail? | 16:18.50 |
| kens | POP3 to Eudora | 16:19.07 |
| | So if GMail is slow, I don't really notice | 16:19.31 |
| chrisl | surely you'd notice it taking a long time to download emails? | 16:20.01 |
| kens | Not really, mostly I only look when it plays a sound to tell me mail has arrived | 16:20.31 |
| henrys | chrisl:I'm using the web interface now and it seems okay | 16:20.38 |
| chrisl | Hmm, weird, it must just be the imap side then - it's just taken >5 minutes to open a ten line text mail...... | 16:21.36 |
| kens | chrisl I'm hoping to be at the Hotel in time for dinner on Wednesday, I'm relying on you to find somewhere to eat in your copious free time ;-) | 16:23.04 |
| chrisl | There's bound to be somewhere easy and near by..... | 16:24.00 |
| kens | Hmm, maybe.... | 16:24.12 |
| chrisl | I shall study the hotel information pack.... before ignoring it and using the source of all knowledge: google ;-) | 16:25.38 |
| henrys | oh I thought you guys were coming all together. | 16:26.37 |
| Robin_Watts | Helen/Chris/I arrive on tuesday, ken/Tor on Wednesday | 16:27.56 |
| kens | Tor and I have the delights of Heathrow with a strike in progress | 16:32.30 |
| henrys | I rushed the agenda last night so you guys would have time to review it before leaving, but I feel like somebody requested something that I didn't remember. | 16:34.24 |
| kens | Covers everything for me | 16:34.39 |
| chrisl | henrys: we might want to discuss openjpeg, now that Alex has committed the working integration | 16:36.46 |
| tor8 | kens: what time do you arrive in miami? I assume you will be taking the shuttle service. | 16:37.19 |
| henrys | chrisl:item 10 | 16:39.14 |
| chrisl | henrys: oh, missed it - sorry | 16:39.32 |
| henrys | who is on strike? | 16:39.41 |
| Robin_Watts | henrys: I was going to suggest an item for the memory cleanup/context work on mupdf, but I guess that can go into the multithreading item. | 16:39.50 |
| | henrys: Britain :( | 16:40.03 |
| | Immigration are all out on strike. | 16:40.31 |
| | (or will be for 24 hours on wednesday). | 16:40.42 |
| henrys | wow | 16:40.49 |
| Robin_Watts | Which means that tor8 may have problems (he's only transiting, but if the airport gets backed up, they may not let people off the planes etc) | 16:41.13 |
| henrys | who uses firefox on windows? | 17:25.42 |
| chrisl | Only when I have to use windows..... | 17:26.17 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: I use firefox | 17:36.22 |
| | on windows and linucx | 17:36.36 |
| henrys | scott is saying he can't see the email addresses in the bug report, I imagine if you hover the mouse over a name or click on it or copy paste it the email address should be easily available. | 17:37.47 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: what do you need ? (I need to run an errand in just t few minutes) | 17:38.08 |
| ray_laptop | can't tpye this AM | 17:38.20 |
| henrys | I already sent scott the email address ... no problem. | 17:39.25 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: OK. Sorry I wasn't paying attention | 17:39.39 |
| henrys | It would be nice if he could read the email addresses himself but I don't want to push it ;-) | 17:40.03 |
| chrisl | henrys: if you right-click over the name, it should come up with "Copy e-mail address", but you might have to be logged into bugzilla to get that | 17:40.14 |
| henrys | maybe that is it, not logged on. | 17:40.49 |
| chrisl | Yeh, not logged-in, you just see the name | 17:41.08 |
| ray_laptop | The latest file from cust #393 works for me. | 17:42.33 |
| | although why they want to use AA at 400 dpi is beyond me | 17:42.52 |
| robin_watts_fone | does Scott have a bugzilla logon? | 17:42.55 |
| ray_laptop | Robin_Watts: I don't think so | 17:43.22 |
| robin_watts_fone | I tried it on 9.04 and got a memory error then a Webb. | 17:43.37 |
| ray_laptop | I can make him one -- I know his favorite password :-) | 17:43.50 |
| robin_watts_fone | bah Webb should be segv. | 17:44.07 |
| ray_laptop | that's quite a typo ! | 17:44.24 |
| robin_watts_fone | stupid autocorrecting phone. | 17:44.47 |
| henrys | I told him to make himself one. I guess I now know where my bugzilla sales tips end up. | 17:45.01 |
| ray_laptop | Robin_Watts: the report from cust 393 this AM? I tried HEAD since they should be running that (I think) | 17:45.17 |
| | I think Marcos sent them a build with the patches / fixes I did for them | 17:45.59 |
| | I have to go now -- I'll check logs later... | 17:46.21 |
| | have a good flight | 17:46.29 |
| robin_watts_fone | the 'crash at 400 but ok at 300' one. | 17:46.31 |
| | yes. | 17:46.39 |
| | thanks | 17:46.49 |
| | henrys: we should move Scott to Chrome rather than ff. much faster/more stable. ff is a huge memory hog. | 17:50.22 |
| henrys | scott should be moved to an ipad. | 17:52.07 |
| | we're engineers making lots of $$ an hour don't have to help him. | 17:52.40 |
| robin_watts_fone | I thought he wad mostly... gotta go. bbs. | 17:52.42 |
| henrys | where | 17:52.49 |
| kens | tor8 I arrive in Miami at 15:55 (maybe) and am intending to take the Blue Van Shuttle | 18:40.23 |
| tor8 | kens: right, I'm a fair bit later than you so it makes little sense for you to wait around then | 18:40.56 |
| | 19.35 | 18:40.58 |
| kens | Unless I get delayed :-( | 18:41.11 |
| tor8 | in which case I'll probably be delayed too! :( | 18:41.24 |
| kens | What's your flight number ? I can check on it when I get in. | 18:41.41 |
| | If I''m running late | 18:41.48 |
| tor8 | BA1555, code share operated by american airlines | 18:41.55 |
| kens | OK If I'm late and you're not then I'll wait, otherwise I'll head to the hotel | 18:42.14 |
| | I hope it all works out.... | 18:42.23 |
| tor8 | we're flying with no checked luggage, that should help a bit | 18:42.37 |
| kens | I'm planning to be hand luggage only, its just a case of deciding what to leave out | 18:42.57 |
| | henrys can we skip tomorrow's meeting ? | 18:44.07 |
| henrys | oh yes I'll send out an email | 18:45.55 |
| kens | Thanks, that helps me out | 18:46.02 |
| | Night all | 18:48.11 |
| henrys | night | 18:48.16 |
| sebras | tor8: oh, so you merged the ios-stuff. how long before it is approved by äpple? | 20:11.51 |
| tor8 | sebras: only steve knows... | 20:12.08 |
| | average seems to be about 5-6 days, but it's been thanksgiving holiday so it'll probably be a bit more than that | 20:12.34 |
| sebras | tor8: ah, so by the time your back from .us then. | 20:12.48 |
| | tor8: possibly. | 20:12.56 |
| tor8 | submission date the 24th (had to do an emergency update because of a bug that slipped in at the last moment) | 20:13.26 |
| sebras | yeah, I saw the *STUPID* bug. :) | 20:13.56 |
| | and the ton of FIXMEs in the OCG-patch. I guess I should read up on OCGs now. | 20:14.20 |
| Robin_Watts | sebras: My understanding of OCGs isn't complete. | 22:29.41 |
| | I tried to label the bits I was conscious of skipping over with FIXMEs. | 22:30.27 |
| sebras | Robin_Watts: I understood. I'm not complaining, but those FIXMEs are indeed asking me to read up on OCG and see if I can silence them. | 22:31.39 |
| Robin_Watts | sebras: Have at it! | 22:31.51 |
| | Some of them will require hooks back to the outside world. | 22:32.07 |
| | Like 'User' for instance (how do you know if you're a particular user?) | 22:32.24 |
| | and 'Max'/'Min' with Zoom (we don't have a concept of device resolution, only of display resolution, so we can't assess what the zoom level is) | 22:32.58 |
| | and 'Lang' (what language are we?) | 22:33.07 |
| | Honestly, until we can find examples that use such things in a meaningful way, I won't worry - especially as the spec is vague enough that we won't know we've done it right without some examples. | 22:33.48 |
| sebras | a naive mapping would be $USER/$LC_ALL or something I guess. but before I read the spec I guess I shouldn't be speculating. :) | 22:34.17 |
| Robin_Watts | And until we have a viewer capable of either exposing the OCG group 'tree' to the user (so the user can change between different OCGs) or javascript for allowing OCGs to be enabled/disabled, moving further down the road of being able to display anything but the default state seems silly. | 22:35.17 |
| | sebras: It's a bit more complex than that. | 22:35.27 |
| sebras | when were OCGs introduced? I would assume after PDF 1.4? | 22:35.33 |
| Robin_Watts | I'll confess my eyes were glazing over by then. | 22:35.39 |
| | I was looking in the 1.7 spec. | 22:35.46 |
| sebras | ok. I my disks in my work station are dying, so I'm typing from my HTPC without PDF-spec access at the moment. | 22:36.20 |
| Robin_Watts | The important thing was to make sure that the default rendering of things is right, and (for the one example I had that was horribly wrong before) it's right now. | 22:36.23 |
| sebras | once I'm back up I'll take a look at the acroeng testsuite to see if there are any OCG-using PDFs in there. | 22:37.06 |
| | Robin_Watts: BTW, have you ever bmpcmp:ed between mupdf and gs? has anyone? | 22:37.56 |
| Robin_Watts | sebras: You'd need to fuzzy it. | 22:38.11 |
| | because mupdf AAs and GS doesn't. | 22:38.23 |
| sebras | doesn't bmpcmp do that already? | 22:38.38 |
| | I seem to recall a switch do do blurring prior to diffing..? | 22:38.54 |
| Robin_Watts | bmpcmp is capable of it, but not in a way that I suspect would be useful. | 22:38.58 |
| | bmpcmp will accept a threshold (how many 256ths a pixel can be off by and still be accepted) | 22:39.25 |
| | and a window (how many pixels can it be off by) | 22:39.33 |
| | but what you'd need to make it work between mupdf and gs is to render at a higher res, and then scale down by a factor of 4 and then compare with fuzzy or something. | 22:40.06 |
| | and color management would break that. | 22:40.13 |
| sebras | and there is no way to tell gs to ignore cms? | 22:40.36 |
| | it seems to have switches for everything... | 22:40.52 |
| Robin_Watts | sebras: Not currently. ask again in a month :) | 22:40.53 |
| sebras | :) | 22:41.07 |
| | bmpcmp:ing the rendering engines would be interesting. | 22:41.58 |
| | Robin_Watts: adding cms-support to mupdf would probably be a better way to go though. | 22:44.22 |
| Robin_Watts | sebras: I believe that's one of the talking points for the meeting. | 22:44.42 |
| sebras | Robin_Watts: alrighty. then I just have to wait. :) | 22:45.09 |
| Robin_Watts | mvrhel_laptop: Hey. Airport? | 22:48.37 |
| mvrhel_laptop | no I am at the hotel actually | 22:48.46 |
| | got here this morning. there was no internet until now though. | 22:48.59 |
| Robin_Watts | poolside, I trust :) | 22:49.03 |
| mvrhel_laptop | hehe. I think there is wifi poolside. I had to be in the pool with the kids though. | 22:49.28 |
| henrys | mvrhel_laptop:already there? | 22:49.58 |
| mvrhel_laptop | yes. | 22:50.08 |
| henrys | I'm trying to figure out if I can run there on the beach, or if it is divided up into a bunch of private beaches. | 22:50.46 |
| mvrhel_laptop | henrys: there is a nice long board walk that people run on that is about 2 blocks from there and goes a long way I believe | 22:51.15 |
| | the beach is all public | 22:51.34 |
| henrys | oh great | 22:51.50 |
| mvrhel_laptop | so you can do the sand run or a boardwalk run | 22:51.59 |
| henrys | are there barely dressed women all over the place? | 22:52.13 |
| mvrhel_laptop | wifi is strong and free once they got it going | 22:52.22 |
| | hehe | 22:52.24 |
| henrys | like tv | 22:52.25 |
| mvrhel_laptop | there is that too | 22:52.28 |
| Robin_Watts | running on sand is strictly for masochists. | 22:52.31 |
| mvrhel_laptop | lots of thongs | 22:52.32 |
| | and bare breasts | 22:52.38 |
| Robin_Watts | Have you seen David Caruso? (Or more importantly, Emily Procter?) | 22:53.02 |
| mvrhel_laptop | I told my wife her bathing suit bottom was like a pair of shorts compared to what these women wear | 22:53.08 |
| henrys | okay I'm ready to go | 22:53.36 |
| mvrhel_laptop | no celebrities spotted yet. that would be likely more at south beach . we may head down there to see what that is all about tomorrow | 22:53.47 |
| Robin_Watts | Helen wants to know what the weather is like. | 22:56.40 |
| | (Nor sure she could actually manage to pack any more though if the climate is not what she's expecting) | 22:57.05 |
| mvrhel_laptop | Robin_Watts: it is humid | 23:30.04 |
| | I was joking with the kids that they were "Melting in Miami" as opposed to "Sleepless in Seattle" | 23:30.37 |
| | it is in the mid 70s and Sunny | 23:31.01 |
| | my son decided he could not live here when I told him to imagine this place in the summer | 23:31.30 |
| | of course we were skiing 3 days ago.... | 23:31.47 |
| | Robin_Watts: Helen sounds like she packs like my wife | 23:33.01 |
| | bbiab | 23:41.53 |
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