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| Robin_Watts | OK. Off to airport soon. see you all in a bit | 06:17.57 |
| graphikz | hey I'm trying to build ghostscript but I'm getting "cc1: out of memory allocating 67108864 bytes after a total of 57810944 bytes | 06:23.33 |
| | make: *** [obj/gsromfs1.o] Error 1" | 06:23.34 |
| kens | Morning tor8 you're up early | 08:13.35 |
| tor8 | kens: yeah, getting used to being up early for tomorrow :) | 08:14.22 |
| kens | :-) | 08:14.29 |
| | Just started the tedious business of brining my laptop up to date | 08:14.46 |
| tor8 | thankfully I've already done that, having spent the last quarter using it as my main dev platform for the iOS stuff :) | 08:15.25 |
| kens | Well that saves some time. | 08:15.38 |
| tor8 | can't wait to get back to using a proper workstation again! | 08:15.39 |
| kens | At the airport robin_watts_mac | 09:12.52 |
| | ? | 09:12.53 |
| robin_watts_mac | yeah. | 09:13.08 |
| | 100 spare seats in economy. | 09:13.15 |
| kens | Well that's nice. | 09:13.28 |
| robin_watts_mac | tents being set up out the front for tomorrow. | 09:13.38 |
| kens | Oh joy :-( | 09:13.45 |
| robin_watts_mac | supposedly the miami flights aren't that busy at this time of year (so if you/tor get bumped, there is a fair chance of you making it onto a flight the next day) | 09:14.12 |
| kens | Well, yes, but that would mean missing out :-( | 09:14.39 |
| robin_watts_mac | indeed. | 09:14.46 |
| kens | And the joy of getting to Heathrwo two days running. | 09:15.01 |
| robin_watts_mac | Time to pack up to go to gate etc. | 09:49.19 |
| kens | have a good flight | 09:49.30 |
| | too late ;-) | 09:49.36 |
| mvrhel_laptop | kens2: when does Robin_Watts arrive here? | 15:05.13 |
| kens2 | If his flight is the same as mine htey touch down at 15:55 | 15:05.27 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ok | 15:05.37 |
| | you and tor arrive tomorrow at that time? | 15:05.52 |
| | assuming no strike glitches | 15:05.59 |
| kens2 | I do, OTor is later | 15:06.00 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ok | 15:06.06 |
| | oh I see support got a question from customer 791 | 15:07.13 |
| kens2 | Yes, its one for me, but I will leave replyingfor now, as I'm loading my laptop | 15:07.36 |
| | Probably they shoudl set .AutoRotatePages=false | 15:07.46 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ok. I was just thinking you may know the answer | 15:07.53 |
| kens2 | Well I'm guessing without looking at the files ;-) | 15:08.05 |
| | Feel free to try it and let them know if it works. | 15:08.29 |
| mvrhel_laptop | hmm I don't know if I want to get into this one | 15:09.11 |
| kens2 | Well its fione to leave it foor me | 15:09.51 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ok. will do :) | 15:10.02 |
| | hehe. fire alarm test in the hotel finally woke up the kids | 15:10.29 |
| kens2 | Hmmm.... | 15:10.40 |
| | COuld do without that | 15:10.48 |
| mvrhel_laptop | yes. it is a yearly thing | 15:11.05 |
| | apparently | 15:11.11 |
| kens2 | Oh good, so there won't be one while I'm there ;-) | 15:11.18 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ok. off to grab some breakfast. I will let you get back to packing | 15:11.50 |
| kens2 | bye :-) | 15:11.56 |
| tor8 | kens2: fantastic news today! american airlines filed for chapter 11... | 15:16.09 |
| kens2 | You're joinkg ! | 15:16.24 |
| tor8 | nope. | 15:16.29 |
| kens2 | THat's your flight, right ? | 15:16.35 |
| tor8 | they'll still operate flights though | 15:16.38 |
| kens2 | Hmm, as liong as tha lasts until Sunday..... | 15:16.52 |
| tor8 | yeah, the headline had me stunned for a while | 15:16.53 |
| | indeed. but since I bought the ticket through BA I should still be able to make my way home. | 15:17.20 |
| kens2 | Well that's good news anyway | 15:17.48 |
| | mvrhel_laptop : THere's something funny with that customer file, it requests A4 portrai, and then rotates the miage | 16:15.13 |
| | I'll have to dig deeper | 16:15.25 |
| mvrhel_laptop | glad I left it to you :) | 16:16.22 |
| kens2 | Yeah, there's something odd happening | 16:16.33 |
| | FWIW the PDF output matches the GS rendered output | 16:16.43 |
| mvrhel_laptop | thats good | 16:22.03 |
| kens2 | Yes... Trouble is, it doesn't match their screen shot, and doesn't match what Distiller does | 16:22.30 |
| | I'm puzzled as to why they converted a PDF to PostScript and then back to PDF though | 16:23.07 |
| henrys | they may be unaware the ps -> pdf includes pdf -> pdf | 16:26.56 |
| | well using gs | 16:27.08 |
| kens2 | If they were doign PDF/A I'd believe thart | 16:27.14 |
| | But they don't seem to be | 16:27.35 |
| | It looks to me like Acrobat is not rotating hte page as per the screen shot though | 16:27.55 |
| | When printing the PDF. THe only page Size request is for Letter, portrait | 16:28.11 |
| henrys | they just bought postscript to pdf cabability from us I don't see why it is obvious that pdf -> pdf would work. | 16:28.24 |
| kens2 | Sure, I'm just saying that if they wanted a PDF, tehy already have one... | 16:28.44 |
| mvrhel_laptop | bbiab | 16:28.49 |
| kens2 | Why convert it to PS and then back again ? | 16:28.54 |
| henrys | my thinking was whatever they set up is the only way to send stuff to the device but I suppose that's a stretch. | 16:30.26 |
| kens2 | No idea. | 16:30.34 |
| | But in fact it looks like the 'auto-rotate and center' isn't doing anything, because the original page is Letter, and the destination is Letter. | 16:31.05 |
| | It 'looks like' it just so happens that the Canon has a Landscape feed or something. | 16:31.25 |
| | Our output looks correct to me | 16:31.41 |
| | I think Distiller is rotating to follow the text orientation | 16:32.13 |
| | Aha, If I turn off 'AutoRotatePages' in Distiller, its output matches ours | 16:32.59 |
| | So we are correct. | 16:33.05 |
| henrys | when can you get back to him? Let me know if you want me to do anything support-like - I know you are getting ready. | 16:34.48 |
| kens2 | I can't really do it today, can you ? | 16:35.00 |
| | Or maybe Marcos ? | 16:35.08 |
| henrys | sure one of us will take care of it. | 16:36.11 |
| kens2 | Thanks. | 16:36.16 |
| henrys | so turning on AutoRotatePages in gs works also? | 16:36.46 |
| kens2 | Didn't try, but it should be on by default I thought | 16:37.00 |
| | Makes no difference, I may be using it wrong | 16:38.05 |
| henrys | anyway I'll copy paste this whole thing to marcos and he'll say something interesting. | 16:39.04 |
| kens2 | Right, thanks | 16:39.10 |
| | OK I'm using it wrong | 16:39.31 |
| | Still make sno difference, I'd have to debug to find out why | 16:40.55 |
| | Possibly there isn't enough text | 16:41.02 |
| henrys | okay sent mail to marcosw if he doesn't get it I'll do it. Don't know what his travel schedule is. | 16:52.41 |
| kens2 | Right, if its a problem I can get to tit tomorrow when I get in | 16:53.02 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: I figured that ken (and maybe marcosw) would be traveling, so I took a look at the AutoRotatePages issue that just came in | 17:03.49 |
| kens2 | ray_laptop : See above ;-) | 17:04.02 |
| ray_laptop | kens2: I did | 17:04.10 |
| henrys | I sent marcosw mail and copied in support | 17:04.51 |
| ray_laptop | kens2: the section in gdevpdf.c "pdf_print_orientation" shows much confusion about what to prefer -- text_orientation or DSC ViewingOrientation | 17:05.10 |
| | henrys: yes, I just saw. | 17:05.22 |
| kens2 | ray_laptop : the file is not landscape, its portrait | 17:05.28 |
| | Distiller 'auto rotates' it. | 17:05.40 |
| ray_laptop | kens2: yes -- they apparently give precedence to text orientation | 17:06.02 |
| kens2 | If you turn *off* auto-rotation with Distiller, it martches ours | 17:06.04 |
| | Well, its a feature, I don't see that we have to match it. | 17:06.17 |
| ray_laptop | kens2: our default is page by page (same as distiller) | 17:06.33 |
| kens2 | The real problem is that the 'print' dialog in Acrobat shows the paper landscape | 17:06.37 |
| | So the customer thinks that's what they are going to get, and indeed it *is*, its just not rotated to landscape emdia | 17:07.03 |
| | emdia | 17:07.05 |
| | Oh god, typing is going completely | 17:07.29 |
| | I mean media | 17:07.35 |
| ray_laptop | kens2: there's #ifdef stuff in pdf_print_orientation that make it easy to revert to text orientation preference (gdevpdf.c line 774) | 17:07.39 |
| kens2 | Well we could do that, but like I said, its a heuristic feature. | 17:08.04 |
| | NOTE the customer has not compared with Distiller (as far as I can tell) just with the print dialog | 17:08.24 |
| | I have to go, see you all in Miami :-) | 17:08.48 |
| ray_laptop | kens2: BTW, I agree that the PS is sort of confused -- there are 2 ViewingOrientation DSC comments | 17:09.13 |
| | oops | 17:09.16 |
| | missed ken | 17:09.24 |
| henrys | when is marcosw flying? | 17:09.52 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: the bug referenced for giving preference to DSC rotation (bug 688793) was for cust 242 -- a now terminated customer. I think that we should tell John where to patch it (delete line 774) to get what he wants | 17:11.02 |
| | henrys: even if we don't change it for the repository. But we _should_ discuss this with kens and decide if we want to match Adobe behavior rather than what we put in for a terminated customer | 17:12.14 |
| henrys | kens2 said he'd followup one of us just needs to respond to the customer and tell him kens is flying. | 17:12.37 |
| | I'd do it but marcosw likes to talk to the customers. | 17:13.35 |
| | let me get his itinerary from miles | 17:14.00 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: from the log, it looked like kens was saying "we are correct", but since our default is AutoRotatePages=/PageByPage (same as Adobe), and you have to turn off auto rotation with distiller, then we are _not_ correct | 17:14.55 |
| henrys | I agree but it is a heuristic | 17:15.48 |
| | a really really dumb one too... but I digress | 17:16.07 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: agreed to let marcos be the contact point (if he's not traveling) -- I just wanted to get him a solution since it is easy (and probably what we should be doing rather than the patch for bug 688793) | 17:16.23 |
| henrys | I know this guy is new to pdf - I've talked to him quite a bit, a shame he immediately trips over autorotate hell. | 17:17.39 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: BTW, I tested it with the #define Bug688793 line commented out and the PDF is what he (John) wants | 17:19.16 |
| | henrys: do you want me to email Marcos the info about where to patch (so he doesn't have to track through the log and try and figure out what to tell the customer ? | 17:21.47 |
| henrys | ray_laptop:sounds good. | 17:22.29 |
| | ray_laptop:when do you leave? | 17:22.43 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: tomorrow AM | 17:23.02 |
| | henrys: I'll email marcosw then. | 17:23.13 |
| | henrys: BTW, the comments (from Raph) in bug 688793 seem rather tentative, so I think I'll suggest to kens that we want to get rid of that 'fix' and do what distiller does. | 17:24.37 |
| henrys | are you doing the everglades trip - I'm doing it next week? | 17:28.26 |
| | that is if it gets good reviews... | 17:28.42 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: no, Karen and the kids aren't coming so I'm just doing the minimum trip (fly back Saturday nite) | 17:29.28 |
| henrys | oh but you are leaving tomorrow? | 17:29.59 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: I'm sorry -- I'm a day ahead. I'm flying on Thursday (not tomorrow) | 17:30.28 |
| henrys | ah that makes sense. | 17:30.42 |
| henrys | thought he had the meeting days wrong ... | 17:31.11 |
| ray_laptop | BTW, I tried gs with line 774 commented out and we still generated the correct orientation for the file attached to bug 688793 (probably some other fixes or changes make it work) | 17:31.52 |
| | more info to bias kens toward getting rid of that particular heuristic that makes us incompatible with distiller | 17:32.51 |
| ray_laptop | does email to marcosw | 17:33.06 |
| | henrys: email sent to marcos, kens and support. | 17:50.07 |
| | hi, kens | 20:05.42 |
| kens | Hi ray_laptop | 20:05.48 |
| ray_laptop | are you in Miami now ? | 20:05.51 |
| kens | Good God no. | 20:05.58 |
| | I don't fly till tomorrow :-) | 20:06.05 |
| | Robin may just about be there by now | 20:06.17 |
| ray_laptop | kens: Oh, I thought you were flying today | 20:06.20 |
| kens | And Chris | 20:06.21 |
| | No, I chose the striek day to fly :-( | 20:06.33 |
| | And Tor chsoe the airline that's going bust ;-) | 20:06.47 |
| ray_laptop | kens: I assume you saw my email re the PDF rotation issue | 20:06.52 |
| kens | Nope, I only logged in to find the hotel address and shuttle telephone number | 20:07.09 |
| | But I'm glad someone has answered | 20:07.19 |
| ray_laptop | I haven't seen anything from marcosw so I don't know if he is going to respond today | 20:07.36 |
| kens | OK but at least he has your mai to go on, I'll look at it in a bit | 20:07.55 |
| ray_laptop | kens: henrys wanted marcos to be the contact point, so I only sent the info to marcosw (and support) | 20:08.00 |
| kens | No problem. | 20:08.16 |
| ray_laptop | if henrys doesn't show up here, I'll call him to see if he wants someone else to respond to the customer | 20:09.00 |
| kens | OK no problems | 20:09.22 |
| ray_laptop | kens: have a good flight tomorrow | 20:09.44 |
| | I'm going to run an errand, so I'll be offline for a bit | 20:09.58 |
| kens | Thanks Ray, when do you fly in ? | 20:10.07 |
| ray_laptop | I fly Thursday -- lands about 6:30 EST | 20:10.50 |
| kens | Right, see you then! | 20:11.00 |
| henrys | robin_watts_mac have you made it over? | 23:40.08 |
| robin_watts_mac | henrys: Yes. In hotel now. | 23:45.14 |
| | planning on heading downstairs for quick bite to eat at 7:15ish. | 23:45.39 |
| henrys | great say hello to everyone for me, have a nice time! | 23:46.23 |
| robin_watts_mac | thanks | 23:56.35 |
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