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| chrisl_droid | Stupid broadband is playing up. :-( | 09:04.45 |
| kens | Hence phone ? | 09:05.02 |
| chrisl_droid | Yes | 09:05.27 |
| | I think I may have to shout at virgin media again | 09:06.21 |
| kens | Could be worse, could be BT.... | 09:06.38 |
| chrisl_droid | True. I just know they will claim nothing is wrong, and then it will mysteriously start working again a few minutes later | 09:08.15 |
| | Phew, it's back........ | 09:11.47 |
| kens | And nop phone call :-) | 09:12.04 |
| chrisl_droid | Bum, it's gone again..... | 09:15.52 |
| sebras | seems like everyone is having problems, due to last week's solar storm perhaps? ;) | 09:23.39 |
| Robin_Watts | I had an outage last night. | 10:05.01 |
| | Spent ages trying to sort it - but at least I'm up and running on my new router now. | 10:06.58 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: there's a new version of zlib released yesterday | 12:41.39 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: Oh, typical :) | 12:41.53 |
| | I will sort out a new thirdparty with that in. | 12:42.23 |
| malc_ | tor8: hi, there's a problem in xps_parse_document_structure outline.ctx is not set and things get ugly when outline is freed | 13:30.24 |
| tor8 | huh, who put the context in fz_outline? robin? | 13:41.18 |
| malc_ | i've no idea, git probably does | 13:41.49 |
| | tor8: also README references http://... as an official repository address, i don't think it was intended | 13:42.40 |
| tor8 | malc_: the readme http reference is probably a remnant from when we used darcs :) | 13:43.29 |
| malc_ | oh.. "who's darcs, darcs dead baby, darcs dead" | 13:43.57 |
| | tor8: and fwiw, a whole lot of xps samples from official conformance test suit fails in one way or another with muxps | 13:45.15 |
| kens | chrisl ping | 13:45.56 |
| tor8 | malc_: http://lwn.net/Articles/377673/ this post pretty much puts the nail in darcs' coffin | 13:46.06 |
| malc_ | tor8: yep, seen it | 13:46.53 |
| | tor8: but it was dead long before that.. aproximatelly at the point where haskell was chosen and not ocaml for implementation language | 13:47.22 |
| | s;where;when | 13:47.30 |
| chrisl | kens: pong | 13:49.03 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: Pass. | 13:49.58 |
| kens | chrisl I just committed the change for ICCBased image colour spaces. | 13:50.18 |
| | Assuming the cluster confirms its OK, it would be great to get that added to the next release | 13:50.37 |
| chrisl | Yep, I'll do that when the cluster finishes | 13:50.54 |
| kens | Do let it check the commit first. I already tested it (and waded through thte 20 pages of diffs) but just in case I screwed up massivley... | 13:51.25 |
| chrisl | Okay, should I wait for you to say "go"? Given that the cluster will show differences | 13:52.07 |
| kens | Let me check what the diffs say, I know which files to expect | 13:52.24 |
| | I'll let you know if it looks OK | 13:52.41 |
| chrisl | Cool | 13:52.46 |
| kens | Just wanted to warn you :-) | 13:52.46 |
| | chrisl that commit looks good to me. | 14:40.22 |
| chrisl | kens: ok, I'll cherry pick it to the branch | 14:43.17 |
| kens | Thanks | 14:44.49 |
| | If Michael fixes the CalRGB thing that would be good to get too, its wrong right now | 14:45.09 |
| chrisl | I'll keep an eye out, but if you spot a commit fixing that, please ping me | 14:46.06 |
| kens | OK, no problem | 14:46.15 |
| chrisl | Hmm, think I've found a firefox bug........ | 14:46.34 |
| Robin_Watts | mvrhel is in Detroit today, so don't expect any fixes from him today... | 14:46.50 |
| kens | I know, I wasn't expecting nay | 14:47.01 |
| chrisl | kens: can you do me a favour, and open doc/History9.htm in Firefox, please? | 14:47.51 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: I can if you want. | 14:49.44 |
| kens | OK one second | 14:50.02 |
| Robin_Watts | opened. | 14:50.07 |
| kens | Is that the current one ? | 14:50.12 |
| Robin_Watts | 9.0.1 is the latest. | 14:50.31 |
| chrisl | Yes, the current one. And search for 82dc5982726c8ea05c3be6faa2f370a62f11a94a | 14:50.38 |
| kens | Opens, buut slowly | 14:50.45 |
| chrisl | It's a *big* file | 14:51.11 |
| kens | I guess that's why its slow | 14:51.24 |
| Robin_Watts | eek. | 14:51.36 |
| kens | History8 is bigger | 14:51.44 |
| Robin_Watts | Text formatting goes to pot after that entry ? | 14:51.52 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: yes, but it's fine in other browsers :-( | 14:52.07 |
| kens | Yes goes berserk for me too | 14:52.17 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: can you check it in chrome? | 14:52.46 |
| | kens: and can you check it in IE? | 14:52.58 |
| Robin_Watts | Fine in Chrome. | 14:53.05 |
| kens | OK | 14:53.11 |
| Robin_Watts | and in IE. | 14:53.57 |
| kens | explorere taking a *really* long time | 14:54.00 |
| chrisl | I'm not inclined to worry about it, then - the html is the same for each entry, so firefox is clearly wrong....... | 14:54.02 |
| kens | but yes, its OK | 14:54.10 |
| chrisl | I am wondering if we should have a changelog file for each release, rather than for each major version....... | 14:55.08 |
| kens | doubts anyone reads tehm anyway | 14:56.02 |
| chrisl | Still, I think 2+Mb is getting untenable for an html file! | 14:56.12 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: Well, zlib 1.2.6 is broken :( | 15:03.08 |
| tor8 | huh? that's not good for them! | 15:03.48 |
| Robin_Watts | If we build it, we're missing a gzflags() function. | 15:04.14 |
| tor8 | they probably added/moved some files around so we need to update Makethird | 15:04.48 |
| Robin_Watts | Unless we're supposed to define Z_SOLO when building. | 15:04.59 |
| tor8 | but I don't think we even build the gz* functions | 15:05.02 |
| Robin_Watts | The zlibCompileFlags function returns flags + gzflags(); | 15:05.28 |
| | But Z_SOLO is completely undocumented as far as I can see. | 15:05.44 |
| tor8 | ah. better tack on Z_SOLO (or add the gz* files) then | 15:05.55 |
| | Z_SOLO at least means we can still compile the old versions | 15:06.05 |
| kens | chrisl ping | 15:41.19 |
| chrisl | kens: pong | 15:41.47 |
| kens | Can you take a *very* quick look here please: | 15:42.01 |
| | http://serverfault.com/questions/353696/solaris-10-installing-ghostscript | 15:42.01 |
| | In case you see anything obvious | 15:42.19 |
| chrisl | kens: I think the answer already there covers it. They should probably get libidn from the same place they got Ghostscript | 15:47.14 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: zlib-1.2.6 dies with a compiler error while building for android. | 15:49.22 |
| kens | chrisl, that's fine, thanks | 15:49.32 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: I think we should skip 1.2.6 entirely. | 15:50.03 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: well, zlib 1.2.5 is stable enough that I'm not too concerned about upgrading | 15:50.06 |
| Robin_Watts | It offers no benefits to us, as far as I can tell. | 15:50.17 |
| | Cool. | 15:50.19 |
| chrisl | kens: FWIW, the guy says he's installed libidn 1.9, but the latest release is 1.24, and the current widely used version seems to be 1.2 | 15:53.27 |
| kens | :-) So he's well out of date. Nothing for us to worry about, which is all I wanted to be sure of..... | 15:54.00 |
| chrisl | No, I seriously doubt it's our problem | 15:54.24 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts, chrisl:I had another exchange with the lawyer and they suggested we could also "use" GhostXPDF in the documentation then they can submit the ghostscript documentation to the trademark office. They said calling GhostPDF a component of Ghostscript was not enough. But I think the doc change shuold be easy enough and not create confusion. | 15:59.27 |
| | that is modifying the link was not enough. | 16:00.06 |
| chrisl | henrys: so, if I add a file doc/GhostPDF.htm which says: '"GhostPDF" is another name for Ghostscript'? | 16:00.59 |
| henrys | no I thought we could just integrate GhostPDF into the documentation where it talks about PDF specifically. | 16:02.06 |
| kens | How about something like "GhostPDF is the PDF interpreter for Ghostscript, it is layered on top of the Ghostscript PostScript interpreter and cannot be used without it." | 16:02.06 |
| | Hmm, I don't think there are many places we talk specifically about PDF input | 16:02.36 |
| | There is one place in API.htm | 16:04.19 |
| henrys | reading to find a good place. | 16:04.25 |
| kens | A mention in develop.htm where it says teh PDF interpreter is a client of the PostScript itnerpreter | 16:05.37 |
| henrys | isn't there somewhere in this damn tome we say what the product is ? ;-) | 16:05.50 |
| kens | Actually there are a couple of places in develop.htm that might be OK where we talk specifically about hte PDF interpreter | 16:06.19 |
| henrys | in language.htm. | 16:06.34 |
| | Ghostscript can also interpret files in the Portable Document Format (PDF) ... | 16:06.51 |
| kens | Yes, similar language there | 16:07.02 |
| | Maybe also in use.htm | 16:07.46 |
| henrys | so I guess chrisl's mission is he chooses to accept it (music) is to go to those places and say something like the pdf interpreter is AKA GhostPDF. | 16:09.27 |
| | sorry just saw mission impossible. | 16:09.44 |
| kens | Which one ? | 16:10.11 |
| henrys | the new one ghost protocol | 16:10.46 |
| kens | Ah, will probably watch that on a plane some time | 16:11.04 |
| henrys | I thought it better than previous ones. | 16:11.07 |
| chrisl | So, only the two places? language.htm and develop.htm? | 16:11.37 |
| henrys | chrisl:yeah we'll try that. | 16:12.11 |
| chrisl | Okay - can I chip in to buy this lawyer a chill-pill......? | 16:12.57 |
| henrys | It is kind of surprising the documentation doesn't have an overview section that says this product is a ps and pdf interpreter. | 16:13.31 |
| | I never really thought about it. | 16:13.51 |
| | or noticed it. | 16:13.58 |
| chrisl | If we want that, I think it should go at the top of Readme.htm | 16:14.00 |
| kens | I think ti would make sense to have. | 16:14.21 |
| henrys | I'd like to have it, why don't you give that a go (rough draft) and mention GhostPDF there also, and we'll chip in. | 16:15.12 |
| chrisl | Who, me? | 16:15.27 |
| kens | In your copious free time ;-) | 16:15.45 |
| chrisl | I was hoping he meant Tom Cruise...... | 16:16.06 |
| Robin_Watts | We could have a "What is Ghostscript?" section. | 16:16.25 |
| kens | At the top of readme ? | 16:16.40 |
| Robin_Watts | with "What is Ghostscript? What is GhostPDF? What is GhostPCL? What is GhostXPS?" etc | 16:16.59 |
| henrys | chrisl:well I thought you would kick off a few quick sentences we'd pass it around and hopefully you wouldn't have to do most of it. | 16:17.00 |
| Robin_Watts | I was thinking of a "WhatIsGS.htm" file, that appears as the first link in Readme.htm's list. | 16:17.29 |
| chrisl | henrys: Okay, I'll get to it - I'm having some trouble with the changelog generator at the moment.... | 16:17.48 |
| henrys | it sounds like Robin_Watts is volunteering | 16:17.49 |
| | I can hear his hand going up. | 16:18.02 |
| Robin_Watts | I'll regret this, but sure, I'll do a first version. | 16:18.03 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: Personally, I don't think it warrants a file to itself - it really only needs to be a paragraph | 16:18.29 |
| kens | We could stick an advert for MuPDF in there too. | 16:18.49 |
| henrys | it's good to take a useless project like trademark justificiation and turn it into something worthwhile. | 16:19.45 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: I think it warrants a bit more than a paragraph. | 16:20.29 |
| | A paragraph per 'product', a quick mention of GPL/Commercial licenses (just pointers to where more info can be found), a mention (as ken says) of MuPDF. | 16:21.25 |
| henrys | chrisl:are we free to checkin less than release stable code now? | 16:21.49 |
| | I saw the 9.05 branch. | 16:22.21 |
| chrisl | henrys: yes, commit any old cr*p you like, just not on the gs905 branch.... :-) | 16:22.23 |
| henrys | thanks | 16:22.32 |
| | coffee | 16:23.12 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: Most of that information is already in the documentation, I figured this was just a very high level "Ghostscript is"......... | 16:23.14 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: Yes, that information is in the documentation - I'm not intending to duplicate it - just add some links to where it already is. | 16:23.58 |
| | I suspect that the 'enduser' of such documentation is someone who has been told to "go and check out ghostscript". | 16:24.37 |
| | As such the first thing in the documentation should be the first questions they will ask. | 16:24.52 |
| chrisl | I think you're being very optimistic about 'enduser' going near the docs! | 16:25.39 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: bug 692824 ... are they a customer or should the should-be-a-customer-alert go off? | 16:38.27 |
| chrisl | I've currently got our e-mail addresses appearing in the changelog (because that's our primary git identification) - does anyone have strong feelings they shouldn't be there? | 16:39.19 |
| kens | tor8 they say they are using MuPDF 'in a product'. Doesn't preclude GPL valid usage, but.... | 16:40.04 |
| tor8 | exactly, "custom viewer" with extra DRM sure sounds like un-GPL to me | 16:40.44 |
| kens | Should probably sic Scott on them :-) | 16:40.49 |
| | It could be that they are providing an 'archive' service, but its debatable | 16:41.15 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: It rang "you should be a customer" alarm bells with me. | 16:41.18 |
| tor8 | henrys: ^ | 16:41.52 |
| henrys | tor8:yes do you want me to forward to scott? | 16:43.29 |
| tor8 | however you usually deal with these situations | 16:43.53 |
| henrys | yeah I'll contact him. | 16:44.09 |
| | I guess I should just detect them and cc support when I notify scott than we won't have to go back and forth about this. | 16:50.04 |
| | this one is done. | 16:50.18 |
| Robin_Watts | OK, I just uploaded an apk that supports link following. | 17:01.47 |
| | And I've emailed/texted Michael to tell him. | 17:02.04 |
| | Dunno what time their meeting is... | 17:02.11 |
| henrys | I'm not sure either. | 17:03.40 |
| kens | Off now goodnight everyone | 17:16.27 |
| chrisl | kens: before you go? | 17:18.14 |
| | Drat :-( | 17:18.49 |
| kens | Not quite gone yet if you're quick | 17:19.00 |
| chrisl | kens: when you start work tomorrow, can you drop me a e-mail with a few words about the txtwrite output changes you've made? | 17:19.33 |
| kens | OK | 17:20.20 |
| | And now, goodnight :-) | 17:20.26 |
| Robin_Watts | henrys: Do we ever talk about GhostPXL ? | 17:31.01 |
| henrys | no just ghostpcl | 17:32.15 |
| | We do have separate docs for that ... | 17:33.29 |
| chrisl | tkamppeter: ping | 17:34.13 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts:I'd be more inclined to leave out PXL, XPS, and SVG until a later time when and if we bring all the docs together but if you've already written about it ... | 17:35.49 |
| Robin_Watts | I'm in the process of writing about them (but REALLY not much). We can chop them out depending on feedback when I show you guys it. | 17:36.30 |
| henrys | okay | 17:36.47 |
| Robin_Watts | late! back in a bit. | 17:41.07 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: et al., on the GhostPDF nonsense -- we have to make sure we don't tie its definition to the PS interpreter, so that if we (ever) move to a C based parser layer (mupdf parser layer), we can still identify it as GhostPDF. IMHO, the distinction is that GhostPDF is the PDF product that uses the ghostscript _graphics library_ as a component. | 17:43.07 |
| | the ghostscript graphics library is a component that is used by GhostXPS, Ghostscript, GhostPCL, ... | 17:44.13 |
| | now back to real work ... | 17:45.05 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: will pass around the doc and everyone can weigh in. | 17:45.33 |
| | I am not very hopeful to ever see a c based front end, maybe I'm too pessimistic. | 17:46.12 |
| chrisl | henrys: now the the releases are synchronized, wouldn't it make sense to have the other languages pick up the Ghostscript version number? (not for 9.05!) | 18:02.54 |
| henrys | oh I just look at ghostpcl and it is sync'd | 18:12.16 |
| | I thought xps and svg got the version as pcl does. | 18:12.39 |
| chrisl | Oh, it's just that pl.mak has PJLVERSION="9.04" in it - I was hoping we could ditch that | 18:16.27 |
| | henrys: ^^ | 18:16.32 |
| henrys | chrisl:right so you would just use the gs version insead and not need to maintain that. Fine by me. | 18:18.28 |
| | were you going to fix it? | 18:18.56 |
| chrisl | henrys: Yep, I'll do it at some point..... | 18:19.12 |
| | henrys: actually, that looks like one of extremely rare beasts: an easy build change! Looks like only two changes....... | 18:33.02 |
| | right, I'm off for the evening..... g'nite all | 18:41.51 |
| henrys | tkamppeter - trying to get a radeon 5600 graphics card hdmi audio working, usually I can quickly google and troubleshoot for linux or ubuntu problems, but this particular problem seems to lead off to dead ends. Any recommendations where to look? Sound works fine with the proprietary drivers (catalyst). | 18:48.52 |
| | bbiab | 19:04.03 |
| Robin_Watts | http://ghostscript.com/~robin/WhatIsGS.htm | 19:27.53 |
| sags | @chrisl: history9.htm opens slowly and renders badly from some point because it currently has 2058 Errors and 1 warning. I suggest making use of http://validator.w3.org | 19:46.34 |
| | @chrisl: In HTML, the "&" needs to be 'escaped' too, not only '<' and '>'. substitute it with '&'. Of course, do this substitution before '<' => '<' and '>' => '>' :) | 19:49.00 |
| tkamppeter | henrys, I cannot help, unfortunately, but try the #ubuntu IRC channel, or report a bug on http://launchpad.net/. | 20:31.52 |
| | henrys, I by myself use a monitor and not a TV, and the monitor has old-fashioned VGA, DVI, and DisplayPort connectors. | 20:33.17 |
| chrisl_away | sags: (for if you check the logs) Thanks, I fixed the script, and History9.htm | 20:37.57 |
| | tkamppeter: I wanted to mention: I've created the gs905 branch for the release - if you are looking to test the code going into the 9.05 release, you should pick up the branch, rather than master now. | 20:39.04 |
| tkamppeter | chrisl_away, thanks. | 20:39.22 |
| chrisl_away | tkamppeter: I should have a first release candidate tomorrow, but keeping an eye of the branch is a good idea | 20:40.49 |
| | s/eye of/eye on | 20:40.59 |
| henrys | thanks tkamppeter | 23:59.37 |
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