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| robin_watts_web | Hi all. | 10:10.42 |
| chrisl | robin_watts_web: Jeez, really can't keep away, eh? So where are you now? | 10:11.15 |
| robin_watts_web | 50 yards up the side of a sand dune this morning in a really strong wind, it ripped my glasses off my face and out into space :( | 10:11.17 |
| | Fortunately I have a spare pair somewhere. | 10:11.35 |
| | Was just emailing my opticians to sort out a replacement pair for when I get home. | 10:11.55 |
| chrisl | All else going well, though? | 10:12.32 |
| robin_watts_web | chrisl: I think we're at sossiflei (have no idea how it's spelt) | 10:12.44 |
| | Yeah, having a great time so far other than that (and other than the usual hire car fiasco etc) | 10:13.06 |
| | I shall miss todays meetings | 10:13.44 |
| | :) | 10:13.47 |
| chrisl | Wikipedia seems to suggest: Sossusvlei | 10:13.53 |
| robin_watts_web | Have a good one! | 10:13.54 |
| chrisl | You too, stay safe! | 10:14.03 |
| robin_watts_web | that sounds plausible. | 10:14.03 |
| | thanks. | 10:14.13 |
| tor7 | paulgardiner: argh. it appears that you can't have a stencil buffer without a depth buffer :( | 10:18.36 |
| | so wasting 24 bits of unused depth buffer to get 8 bits of stencil buffer in a texture :( | 10:18.55 |
| paulgardiner | tor7: Hmmm, not ideal | 10:20.35 |
| tor7 | you can probably do it if you render to a Renderbuffer object instead of rendering to a texture | 10:20.44 |
| | hm. or maybe... it's possible to mix rendering to textures and renderbuffers | 10:21.11 |
| | meh, same story there... GL_FRAMEBUFFER_UNSUPPORTED if I've attached only stencil and color attachments. add a depth attachment, and it works :( | 10:27.27 |
| paulgardiner | tor7: Two commites on paul/master. The changes to pdf_measure_text, in addition to solving the bounding box problem, have given us better positioning of text in form fields in general. | 11:01.17 |
| tor7 | paulgardiner: first one is good. | 11:09.52 |
| | paulgardiner: in the second one, calling pdf_measure_text just to get the ascender seems a bit overkill | 11:10.08 |
| paulgardiner | Oh yeah. Weird. I'll sort that. | 11:11.34 |
| | tor7: New version pushed | 11:20.15 |
| tor7 | paulgardiner: looks good. | 11:28.26 |
| paulgardiner | tor7: ta | 11:30.45 |
| tkamppeter | chrisl, hi | 11:31.40 |
| chrisl | tkamppeter: hi | 11:51.48 |
| tkamppeter | chrisl, I want to change one thing in the upcoming GS 9.08: I want to move the gstoraster CUPS filter from GS to cups-filters as now it will need libcupsfilters. Perhaps I also move gstopxl and all associated files, leaving only gdevcups.c and cups.mak in the cups/ directory of GS. | 11:54.39 |
| chrisl | tkamppeter: okay, that would be good from our perspective, too. Do you want to do the GS changes, or shall I? | 11:55.36 |
| tkamppeter | chrisl, this way all PS/PDF->XXX filtering will be controlled by the now required cups-filters package. | 11:55.36 |
| | chrisl, I will remove the files and the lines in cups.mak but I am grateful if you could do the changes outside the cups/directory, especially documentation. | 11:57.00 |
| chrisl | tkamppeter: I wasn't aware there was any documentation pertaining to that stuff, except the changelog, which I generate from the git log | 11:58.04 |
| tkamppeter | chrisl, I also do not know whether there is doc to change, changelog and history naturally does not need to be changed. | 11:59.15 |
| chrisl | tkamppeter: yeh, the only places I see them mentioned is in the change log. If you could note in your commit message where you're moving them to, that would be useful for anyone wanting to do something with them. | 12:00.55 |
| tkamppeter | chrisl, OK, I am proceeding now. | 12:08.57 |
| sebras | tor7: a few patches over at sebras/master to move x11 code around a bit and make it possible to show warnings in the statusbar. | 12:22.10 |
| | tor7: I made several separate patches to show my intent, if you want to you can squash them. | 12:22.37 |
| henrys | mupdf meeting time? | 15:00.12 |
| mvrhel_laptop | yes. sounds like Robin_Watts is having a good time | 15:00.39 |
| henrys | oh I haven't been on fb lately is he posting there? | 15:01.22 |
| mvrhel_laptop | oh I was just reading his comment on the logs | 15:01.51 |
| tor7 | henrys: I've got path rendering using the nvidia extension working. I had to rewrite quite a bit, since the path rendering extension uses all the old deprecated opengl crap. | 15:01.59 |
| henrys | I bought the good reader app it is really quite nice if you like marking up your pdf's | 15:02.02 |
| mvrhel_laptop | climbing sand dunes | 15:02.02 |
| tor7 | other than that, no real news. | 15:02.25 |
| | the release candidate is up, so if you could give that a spin would be good | 15:02.45 |
| henrys | tor7:what does that mean in terms of rendering pdfs? we tiger? does that include text? | 15:03.11 |
| tor7 | henrys: we tiger, in a different way. | 15:03.19 |
| henrys | is it on a public branch somewhere, like to see some of that stuff - just curious. | 15:03.53 |
| tor7 | going to try path rendering a third way, then on to text. | 15:05.07 |
| | henrys: tor/opengl2 and tor/opengl3 | 15:05.12 |
| | opengl2 has the fixed function stuff tigering with opengl 2.0 + extensions | 15:05.33 |
| henrys | I didn't really have anything for the meeting this time about - just reviewing the agenda stuff ⦠the meeting is coming up. | 15:05.35 |
| paulgardiner | henrys: knowing what you found most useful from the good reader app that we don't yet support might be handy | 15:05.40 |
| tor7 | opengl3 has the pure core profile (but not tigering, that code was too crap to push) | 15:05.46 |
| henrys | paulgardiner: so far sketching with my finger | 15:06.25 |
| | but I may like to doodle more than most | 15:06.44 |
| paulgardiner | We can do that but we've yet to get around to allowing other than one color and one line thickness. | 15:07.42 |
| henrys | one of the things I'd like to do is pitch mupdf to them. Their pdf seems to be lacking some stuff and they are a top selling app. | 15:07.52 |
| paulgardiner | I have text appearance stream creation via the pdf device working now (just for base14 fonts), so at last I can actually get back to the main thrust on signatures | 15:09.25 |
| mvrhel_laptop | henrys: I should easily have the windows phone app in the store by meeting time. I hit a wall using the ready made controls in getting the rects for text search and hypelinks to work with the animations of the page movements so I am going to work on my own custom control this week | 15:09.45 |
| henrys | sounds like it should be ready for chicago also. | 15:10.18 |
| | are you bringing a windows device? | 15:10.27 |
| mvrhel_laptop | I will bring the phone and the surface both | 15:10.36 |
| henrys | paulgardiner: seems like signatures will be tight schedule wise probably not a big deal we should have plenty to demo. | 15:12.18 |
| paulgardiner | For Chicago? | 15:13.07 |
| henrys | yes assuming 42 more interruptions between now and then. | 15:13.31 |
| paulgardiner | I don't know. I'm still hopeful. | 15:15.50 |
| henrys | anything else for the meeting? have a look at the agenda and see if there is any low lying fruit to be picked. | 15:16.07 |
| | getting that bountiable thing to zeniko looks fairly easy. | 15:16.44 |
| | also I am looking at patches to openjpeg and it doesn't look like they are being done by the real developers. They look like just in time fixups starting in column one which always makes me nervous about the future of a system. | 15:18.10 |
| | hi tkamppeter, it's mupdf meeting time anything to add? | 15:22.37 |
| | well let's call it done,gs meeting in 1/2 hour | 15:26.26 |
| | jeez... a county of dumbass rednecks in my state is trying to secede and create a 51st state. | 15:31.43 |
| chrisl | henrys: for a second I thought you meant secede from the Union..... | 15:33.47 |
| henrys | these are the same dumbasses shooting at drones... | 15:34.23 |
| tkamppeter | henrys, no, nothing new about MuPDF. For Ubuntu Touch it loks like that Popler will be the choice, especially as it is also part of desktop and we especially want convergence, mobile devide with monitor getting a desktop. | 15:34.28 |
| henrys | tkamppeter: thanks I understand. | 15:34.57 |
| tkamppeter | henrys, but continue with any support of using MuPDF in the (mobile) printing stack. Perhaps things will change or other mobile platforms will show up. | 15:38.43 |
| henrys | well we are driving on with windows mobile, android and begrudgingly ios | 15:39.47 |
| ray_laptop | morning, all | 15:52.20 |
| | henrys: did you see the email from cust 801 ? | 15:52.33 |
| | about PCL tray selection ? | 15:52.44 |
| henrys | yes but I let marcosw1 preprocess everything. | 15:53.56 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: OK. Where do I look for PCL tray selection, or do we need to ask them for a file to see how they are requesting tray 2 ? | 15:55.54 |
| henrys | it would just be a device parameter, does marcosw want me to handle it? | 15:59.35 |
| | so I guess a release discussion is in order for the meeting? | 16:00.15 |
| marcosw1 | morning henrys, I haven't read my email yet... | 16:00.37 |
| henrys | chrisl:I didn't see any response to your release announcement, I'm ready to go. | 16:00.56 |
| chrisl | henrys: I haven't seen any replies, either, but then, that's not unusual | 16:01.27 |
| henrys | they'll just tell you to wait after you prepare everything ;-) | 16:01.56 |
| chrisl | Yeh, and I'm tired of playing that game :-( | 16:02.12 |
| henrys | marcosw1:I should have an update on the blue plane issue later today but I haven't started anything with the the new issue. | 16:02.56 |
| chrisl | TBH, all I wanted to check today is whether ray_laptop wants to get "saved page" in, or whether we should go ahead without it | 16:03.01 |
| henrys | in case you want to update them. | 16:03.04 |
| marcosw1 | henrys: if you could handle the tray selection email from customer 801 that would be helpful, I have lab meeting at uni today. | 16:03.28 |
| | henrys: okay will email re. the blue plane issue. | 16:03.39 |
| henrys | marcosw1: will do. | 16:03.41 |
| | ray_laptop:you were saying you were surprised how anything worked in the logs⦠but I didn't understand the context of that. Was PCL doing something weird? | 16:04.55 |
| | mvrhel_laptop: anything for the release? | 16:05.18 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: I was talking about the gxclmem problem on Windows. When we switched to gs_sprintf (trio sprintf) it wasn't compatible with sscanf on Windoze | 16:06.28 |
| mvrhel_laptop | nothing from me. | 16:06.53 |
| chrisl | ray_laptop: sorry about that, I didn't realise they behaved differently | 16:06.58 |
| ray_laptop | PCL builds with memory based clist by default and pattern-clist is always memory based clist | 16:07.00 |
| | chrisl: neither did I | 16:07.08 |
| | chrisl: I just added the one function I needed gs_sscanf Feel free to populate it with more | 16:07.49 |
| chrisl | ray_laptop: that's fine by me, we'll just add any extras as we need to, I think | 16:08.24 |
| | ray_laptop: the other thing I was going to mention about that is that trio is unlikely to ever get an upstream update, so we can pretty much hack on it any way we want to suit our needs | 16:08.33 |
| ray_laptop | chrisl: no on the saved-pages. I'll save it for post release | 16:08.49 |
| chrisl | ray_laptop: okay, thanks | 16:09.03 |
| henrys | I don't think we have blockers - I have a very minor fix to go in today. | 16:09.24 |
| | it doesn't matter if it is released or not. | 16:09.37 |
| chrisl | henrys: on that basis, I reckon I'll take the release branch tomorrow - I'd like to check with Ken first | 16:09.40 |
| ray_laptop | chrisl: the way it works is internally consistent, so it's OK. I have no problem with having the leading 0x on pointers come from the %p | 16:09.42 |
| | so the openjpeg segv is resolved ? If not, I would call that a blocker | 16:10.30 |
| chrisl | That's not a regression, is it? | 16:10.50 |
| ray_laptop | I was still getting the segfaults, but I hadn't updated from master since yesterday | 16:10.57 |
| henrys | there is a fix in openjpeg2 but the integration is stalled. | 16:11.38 |
| | it is not a regression | 16:11.53 |
| chrisl | henrys: Shelly has made progress on OpenJPEG2, but is on holiday this week | 16:12.05 |
| henrys | if you are talking about the tile size div by 0 | 16:12.08 |
| | business | 16:12.15 |
| chrisl | henrys: is the OpenJPEG2 fix something we could easily backport? | 16:12.52 |
| henrys | I don't think any of zeniko's summatra pdf test files should hold up the release. | 16:12.54 |
| ray_laptop | so we are punting on openjpeg2 for the release as well ? | 16:13.37 |
| henrys | probably but I wouldn't fool with it. | 16:13.44 |
| | yes unfortunately mupdf will have openjpeg2 and gs will not. | 16:14.18 |
| ray_laptop | chrisl: were you thinking to do it after the release candidate ? That sounds dicey, but I guess if it passes regression I'd just leave it up to you | 16:14.51 |
| henrys | moot for custormers | 16:14.53 |
| chrisl | ray_laptop: well, almost all the distributions still use Jasper, customers use luratech, so....... | 16:15.35 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: true -- they use luratech. I haven't looked at the weekly luratech to see if it ran since the sumatra files went it | 16:15.39 |
| | but they don't use jasper with gs do they? didn't we rip out the hooks ? | 16:16.13 |
| chrisl | ray_laptop: we have now, yes, good point | 16:17.20 |
| henrys | has anyone looked at the publisher of zeniko's pdfs openjpeg2 is rare enough but pathologically broken ones, really? | 16:17.21 |
| ray_laptop | chrisl: so if a distro wants to use gs with jasper, they have to pull in the hooks from old gs. Not too likely | 16:18.02 |
| marcosw1 | ray_laptop: the luratech build runs on Monday | 16:18.13 |
| chrisl | ray_laptop: yes, I'd just forgotten you'd ripped out the jasper cr*p since 9.07 | 16:18.34 |
| | ray_laptop, henrys: if feelings are strong on the subject, I can take a look tomorrow - we might be able to safely throw an error instead of crash? | 16:19.41 |
| ray_laptop | marcosw1: Monday's luratech run ALSO has 29 segfaults and 148 new errors | 16:19.44 |
| | looks like it's common to the decoder, so detecting it is probably possible to do in our code | 16:20.23 |
| | s/common to/common among all/ | 16:20.57 |
| henrys | chrisl: I'd prefer leave it as is without a reported regression. | 16:20.58 |
| marcosw1 | the Monday errors were almost all in the pxlcolor/pxlmono path or tiffscaled. I'm surprised by that. | 16:21.10 |
| chrisl | henrys: okay. I must admit, I wasn't too happy about adding a bunch of new test files days before a release! | 16:21.51 |
| henrys | they are grouped together and easily ignored. | 16:22.14 |
| | other than nagging everyone including me to look at the agenda and do a few items, I got nothin' else. | 16:22.51 |
| chrisl | henrys: on the OpenJPEG2 front, I did some work with Shelly before he went on holiday, and I think we know what the remaining problems are..... fixing them is the next thing | 16:25.09 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: is there a PCL command which is supposed to perform tray selection? or is it PJL ? I grepped for 'tray' in the pcl and pl .c files and didn't see anything | 16:25.41 |
| mvrhel_laptop | I did fix one segv that was happening with psdcmyk | 16:25.55 |
| chrisl | mvrhel_laptop: I saw you'd got that done - nice work! | 16:26.15 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: I do see ESC & l <num> H that sets %MediaSource | 16:27.50 |
| henrys | right there is an XL command also | 16:28.06 |
| | I have to correspond with them to understand what they want. | 16:28.18 |
| marcosw1 | figured out why the Monday errors were all in pxlcolor/pxlmono path or tiffscaled, I had added all the errors to expected_errors.txt but neglected those. | 16:28.19 |
| henrys | ray_laptop:If you prefer to talk with them I can send you a paragraph of stuff and you can rephrase it if you like. Let me know. | 16:29.09 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: PXL also has a way to set MediaDestination | 16:29.28 |
| henrys | right media source and destination. | 16:29.52 |
| | from the assembler code: 'MediaSource' : [ 'eDefaultSource=0', 'eAutoSelect=1', 'eManualFeed=2', | 16:30.17 |
| | 'eMultiPurposeTray=3', 'eUpperCassette=4', 'eLowerCassette=5', | 16:30.18 |
| | 'eEnvelopeTray=6', 'eThirdCassette=7', 'External Trays=8-255' ], | 16:30.19 |
| | 'MediaDestination' : [ 'eDefaultDestination=0', 'eFaceDownBin=1', 'eFaceUpBin=2', | 16:30.20 |
| | 'eJobOffsetBin=3', 'External Bins=5-255' ], | 16:30.21 |
| | tools/pxlasm.py better than the docs ;-) | 16:31.14 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: thanks. So that seems to mean that to take paper from a specific tray, you use MediaSource | 16:31.40 |
| ray_laptop | goes to check what that does in the library or devices | 16:32.00 |
| henrys | pxlcolor or pxlmono should do something interesting. | 16:32.33 |
| | ray_laptop:so do you want to take that over, I'm fine with that. | 16:33.02 |
| | ? | 16:33.05 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: fine. I will do it | 16:33.32 |
| henrys | I imagine there is PJL also, we don't have it but it is trivially added. | 16:34.07 |
| | let me look that up for you. | 16:34.14 |
| ray_laptop | since I already did some messing around for them with tray selection for PS | 16:34.21 |
| | henrys: I didn't see anything in PJL | 16:34.44 |
| | grep Media pl/* came up blank | 16:35.46 |
| henrys | We don't implement all of PJL but there are documented commands that are easily added, if they want to use them. | 16:36.04 |
| ray_laptop | henrys: if they ask for that, I'll let you handle that :-) | 16:37.14 |
| | hmm... my saved-pages code came up with "Differences in 23119 of 59847 non-pdfwrite/ps2write test(s):" but bmpcmp (which only checks 1000) came back with no errors. Now what | 16:40.44 |
| | The few I've spot checked all look identical as well | 16:41.06 |
| | although I've only checked on windows. I guess I'll move to peeves and see if I can see differences with cmp of the files | 16:41.51 |
| | since the test doesn't have --saved-pages mode enabled, they aren't supposed to differ | 16:42.37 |
| | marcosw1: when this does (eventually) go in, I've added a --saved-pages-test option that will run the job in an automatic saved-pages mode where all the clist files for the job are collected before any output starts | 16:43.59 |
| | marcosw1: so we will want a weekly run of that mode | 16:44.16 |
| chrisl | ray_laptop: indeterministic behaviour? I had one a while back that would only wrong on older versions of gcc | 16:44.27 |
| ray_laptop | marcosw1: It is implemented both in PS/PDF and plmain (PCL6 and XPS) | 16:45.01 |
| | chrisl: going to check now, but if it's indeterministic I'd expect at least a few bmpcmp errors to show up out of 1000 | 16:46.01 |
| chrisl | ray_laptop: yes, I'd expect that, too. Although, another issue I had recently produced different output on older vs newer gcc versions - but each was consistent with itself. | 16:48.31 |
| marcosw1 | ray_laptop: if you need help figuring out why there were cluster differences that bmpcmp didn't find let me know; I have to run out now a but will have time early this afternoon. | 17:08.02 |
| ray_laptop | marcosw1: no, I don't know why bmpcmp didn't report errors, but I am able to reproduce it (for the first file I checked) | 17:30.16 |
| tophyr | hello hello - i have some questions about mupdf and licensing, have i come to the right place? | 18:40.53 |
| henrys | tophyr:go ahead and ask | 19:07.19 |
| tophyr | i'm wondering if a potential use i'm thinking of would count as "dynamically linked" or "saas". Android allows one app to communicate with another, as complete units. i have an app that i'd like to add pdf rendering capabilities to, but i can't open source it and don't have the coin for commercial licenses. | 19:11.44 |
| | i'm considering building a no-frills reader based upon mupdf, that can accept "intents" - basically android app-to-app RPC calls - and will generate a .png from a .pdf upon demand | 19:12.33 |
| | the closed-source app would, if the converter/reader is installed, talk to it and use it to generate images that it can then itself render on screen | 19:13.03 |
| | they wouldn't be distributed together, however, and would have no dependencies on each other, other than "something on the device must be able to handle this kind of intent, in order to render a pdf. here's one option: <link to google play store>" | 19:14.23 |
| henrys | tophyr:we cannot condone something like that ⦠keep things GPL or get a license. You can probably find loopholes in the licenses as well as I can and do something with shared libraries but we don't endorse that. Contact scott.sackett at artifex dot com maybe he can come up with a workable license for you. | 19:16.01 |
| tophyr | well, and that's really the limits of my understanding, what constitutes a "shared library" or not.. but that's obviously a very gray area anyway. i'll definitely get in touch with scott, thanks for that! | 19:17.44 |
| ablemike | Hello All. | 21:17.16 |
| | I am looking for a package that will assist me in some operations on a PDF file. | 21:17.18 |
| | Essentially, I need to crop a PDF to a fixed width and height. | 21:17.25 |
| | And then scale that PDF and it's embedded artwork to another fixed height and width. | 21:17.33 |
| | Am I in the right neck of the woods? | 21:17.43 |
| ray_laptop | found what I messed up with the saved-pages changes (not committed yet). It worked fine *only* in saved-pages mode, I broke clist rendering without it. :-~ | 21:22.47 |
| | running regression now... bbiaw | 21:23.30 |
| henrys | ablemike: usually folks come here after they've tripped over stuff they already tried. a google of cropping and ghostscript will get you this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6183479/cropping-a-pdf-using-ghostscript-9-01, probably your other question is easily found also, then if you have problems please come back and ask questions. | 21:46.49 |
| ablemike | i'm on day 4 of googling :) | 21:47.10 |
| | i've hit that page you suggested a 1000 times | 21:47.17 |
| | the issue I have with this gs command, is it sets the cropbox correct and renders in viewers correctly | 21:47.43 |
| | however trimbox, mediabox, etc are eluding me | 21:48.06 |
| | when I open my CropBoxed pdf in Illustrator (like in the command in one of the answers), I get all kinds of extra space | 21:48.51 |
| | I want to take the contents of the cropbox and just force it to that size | 21:49.05 |
| | and I can't find anything out there that will do it | 21:49.12 |
| | PDFCrop / Briss / Poppler ... pdftoeps to jpg to blah | 21:49.35 |
| ablemike | is feeling a bit hopeless | 21:50.14 |
| henrys | is there an associated stack overflow question? | 21:54.19 |
| | ablemike: ^^^ | 21:54.38 |
| ablemike | I haven't posted one yet no. | 21:54.57 |
| | i guess i view SO as "heres my bug, help me debug" | 21:55.46 |
| henrys | I'm not quite grokking exactly what you want to do and I was hoping for a more detailed question and perhaps a preliminary response from the experts over there. | 21:57.09 |
| | (i.e. the exact command line you are using stuff like that) are you producing pdf. Saves us time if we have a complete description of the issue like on stack overflow first. | 21:58.30 |
| ablemike | yup yup | 21:59.23 |
| | I'll post one when I get home. | 21:59.27 |
| dogisfat | Quick question, is there a way to print the libpng version used by ghostscript? | 22:01.31 |
| henrys | dogisfat: I don't think so, you'd have to look at the source | 22:03.07 |
| dogisfat | Thanks | 22:28.36 |
| sebras | tor7: (for the logs) you mentioned that you planned on looking at sebras/master, but I haven't heard from you since and there's nothing in the logs. holler when you're done reviewing. | 22:51.40 |
| ray_laptop | dogisfat: The version of libpng will vary if you are using .so packages. For obvious reasons, we only test and respond to issues with the source we distribute since what random sites have installed is "who knows what" | 23:21.02 |
| | dogisfat: and that goes for all other third party libs as well: expat freetype jbig2dec jpeg jpegxr lcms* (libpng already mentioned) openjpeg* tiff trio zlib | 23:24.25 |
| | jbig2dec was developed by us, and we support it (assuming someone else hasn't mucked with it when generatiing a .so) | 23:25.26 |
| | but the others are true third party apps, NOT particularly well tested, especially with Ghostscript/GhostPDL so "all bets are off" with distro .so libs | 23:26.28 |
| | ALLRIGHT! No bmpcmp differences | 23:27.44 |
| | marcosw1: is there a way for me to test my branch with an additional command line option before the file? I want to test with --saved-pages-test immediately before the command line (the important part is that it follows the -sDEVICE=) | 23:29.21 |
| | I guess I could just commit as is :-/ | 23:31.19 |
| | have to pick my daughter up from her show choir camp. bbiaw | 23:32.16 |
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