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| rayjj | I've had VS 2015 RC supposedly uninstalling (so I can install the release) for 6 hours. It's still says "Applying" and looks to be about 80% done :-( | 05:52.11 |
| | I want to get to the release version cleanly. I guess I should have installed this in a VM I could have just dumped. NEVER TRUST MS | 05:53.02 |
| | I'll leave it overnight and check again in the AM -- about 8 more hours | 05:53.49 |
| kens | And another idiot free user..... | 07:27.52 |
| Robin | kens, chrisl: FWIW, we haven't figured out Bahamas flights yet. | 07:34.57 |
| | I think we are locked into going early and coming back soon after the meeting, as Helen has a concert. | 07:35.20 |
| kens | Robin, I'm seriously tempted by the BA flight to Nassau and then an intgernal flight to Freeport | 07:35.21 |
| Robin | Probably flying 1st, then back on the 7th. | 07:35.36 |
| kens | We're comfortable either way | 07:35.46 |
| Robin | But that option is not available those dates :( | 07:35.48 |
| kens | Ah, I hadn't nailed it down that closely | 07:36.07 |
| Robin | 2nd to 8th it is, but Helen has a concert on the 10th. | 07:36.13 |
| | So landing after a red eye on the 9th is not ideal. | 07:36.22 |
| kens | We don't all have to fly on the SAME DATES OF COURSE | 07:36.23 |
| Robin | of COURSE ;) | 07:36.30 |
| kens | stupid caps lock key :-) | 07:36.36 |
| Robin | goes to bed. have a good one. | 07:36.49 |
| kens | We might do the 2nd to 8th | 07:36.56 |
| | G'night Robin | 07:37.03 |
| sebras | kens: do you ever use it for real? I usually remap it, but I have had colleagues who physically removed the caps lock key. | 08:09.14 |
| kens | sebras, no I never ever use it intentionally | 08:10.19 |
| sebras | kens: rip it off! if for no other reason then your keyboard is broken and you will have to buy a new natural keyboard! :) | 08:13.39 |
| kens | :-D | 08:13.47 |
| tor8 | kens: http://johnhaller.com/useful-stuff/disable-caps-lock I've found the caps_lock_to_control.reg file essential | 09:04.49 |
| kens | Already done it tor8 but thanjks | 09:05.03 |
| tor8 | kens: ah! :) | 09:05.16 |
| kens | I still need to reboot though | 09:05.36 |
| tor8 | kens: LHR-NAS flights are available on the 2nd and 8th | 09:07.16 |
| kens | Yes and I thnk also the 30th and 6th though I have not checked | 09:07.39 |
| tor8 | hi fredross-perry | 09:09.04 |
| fredross-perry | howdy | 09:09.13 |
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| tor8 | fredross-perry: sorry, hadn't got to your email yet yesterday | 09:09.25 |
| fredross-perry | not urgent, but interesting i suppose | 09:09.38 |
| tor8 | The img->interpolate flag is set from the PDF document (the /Interpolate field in the image dictionary) | 09:10.31 |
| | the 'arbitrary' decision is actually going the other way :) | 09:11.54 |
| | but when magnifying non-interpolated images we really shouldn't interpolate. it'll mess up things like QR-codes. | 09:12.14 |
| | *however*, I believe Preview.app doesn't respect the /Interpolate flag at all | 09:12.51 |
| fredross-perry | Is there a tool I can use to see if the /Interpolate flag is set in my file? | 09:13.43 |
| | something to dump the structure? | 09:14.00 |
| tor8 | fredross-perry: mutool info file.pdf <page> will list the image object numbers | 09:14.41 |
| | mutool show file.pdf <object number> will dump the image dictionary object | 09:15.12 |
| | Unfortunately, the default value for /Interpolate is false. | 09:15.55 |
| | Lots of people writing PDF files probably don't think about that, and leave the default as is, which is most likely what's happened in your case. | 09:16.25 |
| fredross-perry | Iâd bet that most people writing pdf files dont even use tools that allow for it. I for example, do save as pdf from OSXâs print dialog all the time. | 09:17.30 |
| tor8 | fredross-perry: I've toyed with the idea of flipping the default (counter to the spec) but that could backfire | 09:18.31 |
| fredross-perry | but, I believe that i AM getting interpolated on my non-retina mac. | 09:18.50 |
| | Iâm just thinking it might be good to have an option to force it one way or the other for folks who think they know what theyâre doing. | 09:19.31 |
| kens | GS has -dDOINTERPOLATE and -dNOINTERPOLATE :-) | 09:19.54 |
| tor8 | we always interpolate for minification and for very small magnifications | 09:19.57 |
| | but for magnification, we respect the flag | 09:20.10 |
| | kens: do those options force the issue, or change the default? | 09:20.45 |
| fredross-perry | ok, goodnight then. | 09:21.35 |
| tor8 | I'd be okay with an option/setting to change the default; like how we can change the anti-aliasing level | 09:21.47 |
| | fredross-perry: good night. | 09:21.52 |
| kens | tor8 I believe they force the option, override the image dictioanry | 09:22.35 |
| | I'm off out for a couple of hours now | 09:22.47 |
| jogux | henrys: ahh. From Ted's email to sos last night I can now see why they want to push a new mupdf ui... I guess it's definitely worth asking the uI designer if/when they can fit it in then. | 09:49.33 |
| Mikael_ | hi ! | 09:51.18 |
| jogux | hi Mikael_ | 09:52.38 |
| Mikael_ | in mupdf, did you consider to add the posibility to save the marks on disk ? | 09:54.08 |
| tor8 | Mikael_: yes, the only "problem" is deciding where and in what format to save the marks | 09:54.54 |
| Mikael_ | ok | 09:55.00 |
| tor8 | the same code runs on both linux, macosx, and windows | 09:55.03 |
| Mikael_ | is there a discussion or something about what are the possibilities ? I would use a lot this feature, especially to read long pdfs | 09:56.39 |
| tor8 | Mikael_: no, nothing written down. | 09:58.35 |
| Mikael_ | you could do something like mpv. For each file I didn't finished watching, it keeps a file in .config/mpv/watch_later/<hash of the filename> containing the parameters to reload, including where in the file I stopped | 10:00.47 |
| tor8 | in terms of file format, I'd expect something like JSON where we save last opened page and bookmarks per file | 10:02.55 |
| | there's the issue of multiple open instances not clobbering each other when saving | 10:03.15 |
| | so it's a non-trivial problem | 10:03.24 |
| Mikael_ | why not sqlite ? It would solve the concurrency problem and it's cheap enough | 10:16.18 |
| | simple setup : one table containing the file name, the last page number seen and maybe the named and unnamed marks | 10:28.12 |
| | the unnamed marks stack may be a problem, so maybe put it as a string like 123:425:312:1:3 | 10:29.17 |
| tor8 | sqlite is both overkill and yet another thirdparty library dependency which I'm reluctant to add | 10:30.17 |
| Mikael_ | this setup should be portable across systems, only the db path changes | 10:30.18 |
| tor8 | don't get me wrong, I like sqlite and I'd love the opportunity to work with it, but for this it does seem overkill | 10:30.44 |
| | and IIRC it doesn't completely solve the concurrency problem -- last I looked sqlite needed file locks so only one sqlite process had the db open at the same time | 10:31.22 |
| | the concurrency problem is not difficult, it's just a matter of reloading, merging diffs, and saving out again | 10:31.51 |
| Mikael_ | I agree it's a bit overkill. BTW, the file lock is only on writing, not reading | 10:32.38 |
| sebras | tor8: I rebased my gif patches ontop of sebras/master | 10:42.38 |
| | tor8: do you mind merging them? | 10:42.50 |
| tor8 | sebras: ah, the GIF support :) | 10:43.50 |
| | sebras: all LGTM, I'll push | 10:44.25 |
| sebras | tor8: I thought we merged that before your absence, but I was suprised when I noticed that we didn't just now. | 10:44.27 |
| | tor8: sweet. | 10:44.51 |
| tor8 | yeah, I think you finished that at a bad time just as I was heading out for vacation | 10:44.52 |
| sebras | tor8: no problems. as long as it is merged at some point. | 10:45.12 |
| | tor8: thanks! | 11:03.33 |
| kens | jogux I meant to say that if it makes life easier for you and Pete, we'd be happy to put people up overnight. We live 20 minutes drive from Gatwick and have several spare bedrooms, especially when Melanie is at university. It 'might' be simpler for you to travel to Gatwick and then we can all go round to Heathrow together to fly out. | 12:39.31 |
| jogux | kens: oh, many thanks... that might be good. I'll need to properly check the flight options sometime, will let you know :) | 12:44.29 |
| kens | No problem, I don't know when we're flying yet anyway :-) | 12:44.48 |
| Metaluim | hi | 14:03.01 |
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| Metaluim | Iḿ using the mupdf C library for some work | 14:03.37 |
| rayjj | stoopid VS 2015 RC never finished the uninstall (I left it running overnight, so > 15 hours). Even the 'cancel' is just hanging saying 'Stopping current session'. First task manager kill, then I may (probably will) have to reboot :-( | 14:03.39 |
| Metaluim | currently Iḿ trying to embed a file as an attachment | 14:03.54 |
| | I open a template PDF file, load the first page and create an annotation on it | 14:04.07 |
| | then I set the contents | 14:04.15 |
| | all is well but when I open that saved file from another place in the code, the annotation I created isnt there | 14:04.43 |
| jogux | Metaluim: so you're calling fz_write_document() and the file isn't actually been updated? | 14:22.38 |
| | I don't understand what 'then I set the contents' means. | 14:23.21 |
| Metaluim | yeah, I call fz_write_document and the file is updated | 14:23.57 |
| | at least the modification time | 14:24.02 |
| | I set the contents of the annotation, I mean | 14:24.13 |
| | one sec Iĺl give you a snippet | 14:24.47 |
| | https://gist.github.com/Metaluim/2c9d340f0f93b21bf9c0 | 14:26.26 |
| jogux | hm. I've never used FZ_ANNOT_FILEATTACHMENT. tor8 may know more | 14:32.22 |
| Metaluim | well I can try another type I guess | 14:33.31 |
| | just to see if that is a problem | 14:33.42 |
| jogux | what OS are you working on? | 14:33.49 |
| Metaluim | my first guess was that I was probably missing something like binding the annotation to the page or whatever | 14:34.09 |
| | windows 8.1 | 14:34.12 |
| | the code will run on windows, mac os x, as many flavors of linux as possible and possibly other systems | 14:34.44 |
| kens | At ths point Robin usually pipes up and mentions licencing, since he's on holiday.... | 14:36.40 |
| | Metaluim, you are aware that MuPDF is licenced under the AGPL, and understand the restrictions of that licence ? | 14:36.40 |
| Metaluim | hmmm | 14:38.18 |
| | I thought it was LGPL | 14:38.27 |
| | what does it imply? | 14:38.32 |
| kens | Well, it means you have to make your source available as well, mainly | 14:38.50 |
| Metaluim | even if I link it as a shared library and not a static library | 14:39.26 |
| kens | If you are planning an open source release that's probably not too onerous, but it does mean you'd have to adpot the AGPL not LGPL, and AGPL is more restrictive | 14:39.27 |
| | That depends on your reading of the licence terms. I can tell you that Artifex' interpretation is that a dynamically linked library is still covered | 14:40.10 |
| chrisl | Metaluim: neither the GPL nor the AGPL have the exemption for shared libraries that exists in the LGPL | 14:40.37 |
| Metaluim | hmmm, ok Iĺl inform my management about that, we may open source if it is necessary | 14:41.13 |
| | I dont think its an issue for them | 14:41.21 |
| kens | Just so you are aware, wouldn't like you to waste time and discover this too late | 14:42.01 |
| sebras | kens: but should Metaluim's management not like the idea of open sourcing, then they have the option of asking about a commercial license for mupdf from artifex, right? | 14:43.28 |
| kens | Certainly ! | 14:43.38 |
| Metaluim | oh, how would I do that? | 14:43.52 |
| kens | You would contact sales@artifex.com | 14:44.08 |
| | They will then send a big long scary questoinnaire, much of whch makes no sense in your business. | 14:44.30 |
| | You fill in the bits that do, and they would negotiate a commercial licence | 14:44.44 |
| Metaluim | ok, Ill pass this onto my management then | 14:44.59 |
| | thanks :) | 14:45.05 |
| chrisl | Metaluim: occasionally new enquiries get spam filtered, so if you do contact sales@artifex.com and you don't here back in a few days, pop back here, and we'll follow up | 14:45.59 |
| | s/here/hear | 14:46.12 |
| chrisl | must be tired :-( | 14:46.18 |
| kens | Too much squash training :-=) | 14:46.26 |
| Metaluim | sure | 14:46.28 |
| | I chose mupdf because I needed a cross-platform C library for PDF handling | 14:46.50 |
| | and to my surprise, this was hard to come by | 14:47.02 |
| | at least one that modified the PDF | 14:47.13 |
| kens | Yeah there aren't so may around | 14:47.21 |
| Metaluim | then I tried to read the PDF standard and quickly understood why | 14:47.29 |
| kens | :-D | 14:47.37 |
| Metaluim | in my innocence I thought it could be easy write one | 14:48.02 |
| | but quickly decided it was better not to | 14:48.10 |
| kens | Version 1.0 was quite simple..... | 14:48.41 |
| jogux | gahh. anyone here who has root on casper please? | 16:51.02 |
| sebras | jogux: marcosw perhaps..? | 16:51.42 |
| jogux | I need someone to 'chgrp gs-priv ~robin/public_html/releases5' please | 16:52.23 |
| | sebras: Yeah, I guess I meant 'hear and awake' :-) | 16:52.39 |
| | s/hear/here/ | 16:52.44 |
| Robin | jogux: looking | 17:04.13 |
| jogux | Ah, a Robin is even better. morning :) | 17:04.24 |
| Robin | jogux: Try now? | 17:04.57 |
| jogux | that's done it, thanks! | 17:05.10 |
| Robin | I have to change hotels this morning, so won't be around for long. | 17:05.12 |
| | fab. | 17:05.15 |
| henrys | hi Robin | 17:06.54 |
| Robin | morning henrys | 17:09.17 |
| henrys | we were just talking about you | 17:09.35 |
| | Robin: Ted wants you to go with him to the Good Security summit in London Oct 14 | 17:10.10 |
| Robin | urm... ok. | 17:10.38 |
| henrys | Robin: lucky you | 17:10.51 |
| Robin | I'm not the one most 'up' on good stuff, but I can probably be available. | 17:11.14 |
| henrys | so after you evict the bats the bugs which feed on the bats have nothing to eat and they go after other mammals in the house. so now I need a fumigator... crazy stuff | 17:12.08 |
| | Robin: yeah I thought Joseph or Pete but you trumped location wise, but I can try to change it if you want. | 17:14.53 |
| Robin | Are you sure it's not that the bats were eating the bugs? | 17:14.53 |
| | 1 bat = 2000-3000 mosquitos a night. | 17:15.03 |
| jogux | even Paul has done more Good than Robin I think :-) | 17:15.13 |
| | London isn't terrible for me/Pete, we can (just) do it as a day trip. | 17:15.22 |
| henrys | Robin: no there some critter called "bat bugs" which chew on bats we have them in our bedding now. | 17:15.34 |
| jogux | henrys: ew! :( | 17:15.45 |
| Robin | It depends what the purpose of us going is. If it's to be seen to be there, and anyone can do it, then I'm happy to take the hit. | 17:16.13 |
| | If it requires someone that actually understands the security stuff in detail, then J or P may be a better bet (pete in particular understands the issues they have with process swapping when securely loading in Android). | 17:17.15 |
| jogux | Robin: henrys: https://media.good.com/documents/event-gx-london-agenda.pdf | 17:20.00 |
| | they seem to have general 'secure app' sessions and an iOS 9 session (unhelpfully at the same time) | 17:22.36 |
| | although iOS 9 will be out to the public by then anyway | 17:23.15 |
| henrys | Robin: I think there is a strong case for you to be 3rd choice, thrown back into their court. Miles may want a "full time" staff member there also ... anyway nothing needs to be settled before you get back. Hope all is going well! | 17:28.21 |
| Robin_ | henrys: yeah, we can sort it out when I get back. | 17:38.46 |
| jogux | sadly there's no way to predict if it's going to be technically useful or not. although the mention that their head coder is there fills me with hope. | 17:41.13 |
| mvrhel_laptop | rayjj: and that is why I steer clear of release candidates from MS | 17:43.51 |
| | I have had issues with getting things cleaned up too many times in the past | 17:44.05 |
| | so we are doing the 29th through the 6th for the bahamas | 17:44.41 |
| | unfortunately if miles has the outing on the 6th we will miss it | 17:45.04 |
| | Robin: did you settle on a travel date? | 17:45.19 |
| rayjj | mvrhel_laptop: well, it looks as if the install of the "release" version is going OK. At least it's still making progress -- and it looks like it's got about 5% left to go on the progress bar | 17:45.21 |
| mvrhel_laptop | maybe if enough fly back on the 6th he will have the outing a bit earlier | 17:45.45 |
| | rayjj: thats good | 17:45.59 |
| rayjj | mvrhel_laptop: I hope I didn't jinx it by saying that. :-/ | 17:46.24 |
| mvrhel_laptop | :0 | 17:46.33 |
| henrys | mvrhel_laptop: you jumped on those reservations early | 17:49.40 |
| mvrhel_laptop | yes I did. I wanted to use miles for the kid's tickets and did not want to wait | 17:50.04 |
| | the kids schedule is why we have to fly back on the Sunday | 17:50.44 |
| Robin | mvrhel_laptop: Have not settled on a date. | 17:55.45 |
| | I fear we may miss the 6th too though. | 17:55.53 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ok, well that may be enough for Miles to make the outing earlier | 17:56.07 |
| rayjj | oops. It had stalled because I was trying to get other work done. It popped up a "Please close other instances of Visual Studio" dialog *BEHIND* the installation status display. Real handy :-/ | 17:57.37 |
| | I suspect that, again this year, my twins will have performances that week/weekend. I'm trying to find out. Then there is the difficulty of missing school. It was a whole lot simpler and less of an issue before high school | 18:01.53 |
| | Hurray. VS 2015 installtion completed. Now I have to reboot | 18:02.26 |
| | quit "reboot after installing VS 2015" | 18:02.36 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ok. I have the gsproof part written. now to do a bit of testing to see what explodes and if mupdf can read what I write.... | 18:14.42 |
| | s/gsproof/gproof | 18:14.54 |
| Robin | changes hotel | 18:31.12 |
| mvrhel_laptop | bbiab | 18:53.54 |
| rayjj | chrisl_away: BTW, with VS 2015 (I'm still trying to get patches for a build) there are two warnings on every compile: D9002: ignoring unknown option '/GB' and ignoring unknown option '/QI0f' | 20:01.11 |
| | chrisl_away: (that's on a "Profile" target build, BTW. | 20:02.08 |
| | HUZZAH!!! I have a profile working on pcl6 (AKA gpcl6win32.exe) with the Community VS 2015 :-) | 20:59.29 |
| | This is running on Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium | 21:00.51 |
| | running in instrumentation mode it's about 10x slower | 21:02.04 |
| | next to see if the report has anything useful/reasonable... | 21:04.59 |
| | well, it's a confusing report, but might be useful | 21:23.29 |
| | mvrhel: (for the logs) please call if/when you can -- I'd like to see if the performance profiling reports you've seen are similar, and the best way to get past the 'fluff' | 21:24.40 |
| | in the meantime, I'll be trying to dig into it | 21:25.03 |
| rayjj | is greatly encouraged that I have an instrumented profile tool for Windows now (that doesn't crash my system) | 21:25.38 |
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