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marcosw sebras: I'm going to reboot casper for updates01:50.25 
sebras marcosw: no problem.07:13.23 
  kens: good morning!07:13.32 
Robin_Watts_ To save you all hours: http://1101b.com/xkcd1608/11:50.15 
  http://1101b.com/xkcd1608/11:50.16 
kens Too late11:50.46 
  tor8 bug #696429, on WIndows, does produce a text file which displays 'oddly', though as I said I don;t see it as a problem12:09.54 
  Its also not the same as what the customer supplied....12:10.03 
tor8 kens: if you by "odd" mean that there are non-breaking spaces intermingled with the occasional real space, then I see the same12:10.32 
kens ref_param_write_typedYah, and a few other non-ASCII Unicode characters too12:10.48 
  ref_param_write_typedOpening the file as a text file on Windows displays the non-breaking spaces as a funny accetned character12:11.15 
tor8 the customer supplied file has a lot of garbage characters where the <c2 a0> UTF-8 sequence for U+00A0 should be12:11.34 
kens ref_param_write_typedYeah I cannot produce what they sent, and I did try12:11.55 
tor8 if I open them as UTF-8 in 'less' I see a katakana Tsu character, followed by U+F8F012:13.38 
  vim shows another mangled character instead12:13.59 
  so it's obviously not UTF-8 encoded output12:14.06 
kens Nope. WOrdPad won't let me specify an Encoding :-(12:14.18 
tor8 which makes me think that something's mangled the string on the way from mupdf to their output file12:14.47 
kens Oddly I seem to have lost the customer's original email :-(12:14.51 
tor8 kens: subject "Unable to render text correctly" to support12:16.02 
kens ref_param_write_typedYeah I know, but I seem to have lost the original, I only have Marcos' reply12:16.55 
  But I found it again in GMail12:17.02 
tor8 kens: You really need to get yourself a new keyboard :)12:17.13 
kens Or prise out the wobbly insert key12:18.04 
tor8 kens: I recommend a http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/uk-topre-realforce-105ub-variable-gold-on-black-keyboard.asp (I use the numpad-less version) which is nigh indestructible12:18.40 
kens ref_param_write_typedWell this Logitech one is clearly cheap.12:19.16 
  The letters are rubbing off some of the keys as well12:19.32 
  But if I buy a new one it'll probably be a MS ergonomic one12:19.48 
tor8 http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/usa-topre-realforce-87uw-Variable-mini-black-on-beige-keyboard.asp this is the one I have used for the past 6 years12:20.35 
kens will see after Xmas is over12:20.58 
tor8 I'll never go back to cheap rubber dome keyboards :)12:21.05 
kens lunch12:21.48 
Robin_Watts_ http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/uk-ergo-pro-quiet-pc-ergonomic-keyboard.asp13:33.49 
kens Hmm so it splits like the original Apple one13:39.20 
Robin_Watts_ and tilts backwards and tents.13:39.52 
  If it wasn't USB only I'd have my credit card out.13:40.03 
kens ref_param_write_typedUSB isn't a problem for me13:40.18 
kens is thinking XMas present for me13:41.06 
tor8 Robin_Watts_: what's the problem with USB only keyboards?15:49.03 
Robin_Watts_ tor8: I use a PS/2 KVM :)15:49.18 
  So I'd have to use a USB -> PS/2 converter, but that's fine.15:49.32 
tor8 hm. might be worth trying to see if one of those simple USB -> PS/2 converters works.15:49.40 
Robin_Watts_ tor8: Yeah. I'll wait until my existing keyboard dies.15:49.58 
  My situation re the kvm may have changed by then.15:50.18 
tor8 ever tried x2x/x2vnc/synaptic?15:50.42 
Robin_Watts_ tor8: For a RISC PC ? :)15:50.56 
  synaptic is naff all use to me.15:51.16 
tor8 at least one of them is open source, I'm sure you can get it to work ;P15:51.18 
Robin_Watts_ tor8: yeah, non-zero effort though :)15:51.36 
  What I want is to be able to scroll up off my right hand screen, and have the acorn screen appear.15:52.12 
  or scroll down off the right hand screen and have the mac screen appear.15:52.26 
  or scroll right off it, and have the laptop appear.15:52.35 
  I don't want the mouse to move to the laptop screen, cos that's over my shoulder and inconvenient :)15:52.56 
tor8 ah, so you want it to change the screen as well... yeah, that's more problematic.15:53.03 
  might be able to get something to work with vnc15:53.11 
  but again, non-zero effort15:53.20 
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