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JakeSays Robin_Watts: ah i think i figured it out - the coordinates generated by -ttt are transformed back to points. they match the MediaBox in the pdf.00:48.10 
  or more accurately the default user space units defined in the pdf, which happen to be points in my case00:50.26 
  grocerybike00:56.26 
  bah wrong channel00:56.52 
sebras JakeSays: I have to admit to being a bit curious about in what #channel "grocerybike" would be on topic. :)06:31.44 
  kens: I woke up before you!06:32.04 
kens sebras, you are indeed up and about early today, I still beat tor8 though07:59.08 
ray_laptop Hi, kens 07:59.36 
kens and ray_laptop is up late ;-)07:59.48 
  Hi ray07:59.57 
Robin_Watts morning ray08:00.05 
ray_laptop did you also try the performance for bug 693535 ?08:00.14 
Robin_Watts and kens08:00.19 
kens ray_laptop : I downloaded the file and was about to start testing it myself08:00.27 
ray_laptop Note that I tested it on my Win 7 64-bit system08:00.33 
  Hi, Robin_Watts 08:00.41 
kens ray I was going to try win 7 and Linux (in a VM)08:00.47 
  Morning Robin_Watts, you too are up early08:01.01 
  I **think* one of my Linux VMs has an 8.71 installation. I wonder if he's using 32 or 64-bit (and if this could be related)08:01.48 
ray_laptop kens: on linux, I didn't think there was much 32 vs. 64 bit performance hit.08:02.28 
kens ray_laptop : I don't know, I'll see if I can try both ways08:02.45 
ray_laptop FWIW, even though I am on Win 7 64-bit, I run the 32-bit build.08:02.53 
kens :-) I use both indiscriminately08:03.08 
ray_laptop I'll build and test the 64-bit now...08:03.09 
kens ray_laptop : feel free to leave it with me08:03.22 
  It must be pretty late in California08:03.34 
ray_laptop kens: no problem -- I'm just curious...08:04.38 
kens yeah, me too08:04.45 
  I'm fairly sure I would have noticed a 10x slowdown08:04.57 
ray_laptop Don't worry, I'll get my 'beauty sleep' ;-)08:05.01 
kens Robin_Watts : if you have a moment, this loon needs some help:08:05.36 
  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14171612/mupdf-error-on-building-using-ndk-build08:05.36 
  Oh, I wonder if the bicubic downsampling has changed08:08.14 
ray_laptop kens: sounds like he expects to be 'spoonfed' solutions to show how valuable he is to his company :-/ Or am I just not making it past the language barrier08:08.23 
  kens: I don't think so -- I think GS totally ignores Bicubic downsampling08:09.04 
kens ray_laptop : you could be correct. Why he expects it to build after he removes 3 components I have no idea. Surely an undefined reference is exactly wht he would exepct08:09.10 
  ray_laptop : not with pdfwrite08:09.19 
ray_laptop kens: really ? We have a BC downsampler ???08:09.44 
kens Not sure, but it does 'something'08:09.53 
  I'm not saying its bicubic mind you08:10.03 
ray_laptop kens: FWIW, I did a 64-bit build with HEAD and (on Win 7 64bit) it still is < 4 sec.08:11.09 
kens OK. He's tried our binary and says it is still slower08:11.27 
  Welcome back chrisl :-)08:11.35 
ray_laptop kens: I didn't think we distributed a 64-bit binary on linux08:11.46 
chrisl thanks kens......08:11.50 
kens ray_laptop : He seems to think we do08:11.56 
ray_laptop hi, chrisl 08:11.56 
chrisl hi ray_laptop 08:12.08 
ray_laptop chrisl: do we distribute a 64-bit binary for linux ?08:12.28 
chrisl ray_laptop: yes we do - against my wishes, tbh08:12.43 
ray_laptop chrisl: (re: bug 693535)08:12.44 
kens ray thre's a 15Mb executable where he says it is08:12.51 
ray_laptop chrisl: you might as well try that simple 52 page file as well (if you don't mind)08:13.18 
chrisl ray_laptop: I'll do so in a minute.....08:13.39 
ray_laptop chrisl: np.08:13.53 
  I expect it is early for you folks. Have to have your tea or coffee or whatever your wake-up drug of choice is ...08:14.27 
  OTOH, I am about to cuddle with my pillow :-)08:15.06 
kens Its taking a lot more than 4 seconds for me08:15.32 
ray_laptop I'll check the logs in the AM and see what you folks have found...08:15.47 
kens goodnight ray08:15.54 
ray_laptop nite, kens 08:16.02 
  et al.08:16.05 
chrisl 'nite ray08:16.11 
ray_laptop u2, chrisl 08:16.46 
kens well, it took under a minute, I need a better timer08:17.35 
ray_laptop kens: I used "time gs ..." (or under msys: "time gswin64c ..." )08:18.20 
kens time in command shell doesn't work that way08:18.41 
ray_laptop bad shell08:18.51 
  msys shell is at least (mostly) bash consistent. The most irritating thing is that is substitutes "c:/" for '/c/' no matter what escapes I use :-(08:20.30 
kens 321 and 64 bit current code takes 22 seconds on my machine08:20.55 
  Under Windows08:21.16 
ray_laptop kens: 321 ???08:21.24 
kens 3208:21.28 
  huh, don't have 8.x installed08:21.45 
ray_laptop kens: OK. So you have a slow machine. 08:21.56 
chrisl I do see a ten times performance hit between 8.71 and 9.06 :-(08:22.00 
ray_laptop kens: get a faster one08:22.03 
kens ray_laptop : its not a slow machine08:22.08 
ray_laptop chrisl: REALLY. Damn.08:22.16 
  I tested on my 2.8GHz i7 laptop.08:22.41 
kens THIs is a 3 GHz quad core with a SSD primary disk and 16Gb ram08:23.05 
chrisl kens: looking at the command line, are there any on there we used to ignore, and now honour?08:23.36 
kens No, I don't think so, but using /PDFSETTINGS is a pain.08:23.55 
  Because that bundles in *many* settings08:24.03 
  1st thing I'd try is dropping the bicubic downsampling08:24.21 
chrisl kens: the PDFSETTINGS seems to be the big thing - with it it takes ~30 seconds, without it ~4 seconds08:25.46 
kens Yeah, but that has *so* many things in it....08:26.03 
chrisl If you can get me a list, I can narrow it down further08:26.39 
kens Let me see if I can reproduce it here, I've just picked up 8.71 for WIndows08:26.56 
chrisl Oh, I should try master, too08:27.06 
kens chrisl, yes 871 is *much* faster08:28.58 
chrisl kens: sure, but is that because we're now doing something (correctly) in the "ebook" settings that we weren't previously?08:31.01 
kens Probably. Its going to take me some time to find out unfortunately08:31.22 
  I *hate* these canned settings08:31.28 
chrisl Well, let me know if you want me to help08:31.50 
kens THanks but I think what I need to do now is reproduce the settings individually, prove its still slow then binary chop them out08:32.15 
  Until I can isolate the one which is bad08:32.27 
  OK, at least they are all defined in one place :-)08:33.54 
  Hmm, I wonder if its the ColorConversionStrategy=/sRGB08:34.17 
  Coffee I think08:34.26 
  Well, the slowdown is caused by /AutoRotatePages /All. If its left at PageByPage, its fast.09:24.16 
  Oh, actually no09:24.38 
  Well it turns out to be my first thought. ColorConversionStrategy /sRGB is what causes it09:32.00 
  The default is LeaveColorUnchanged, since the PDF file is 52 pages of RGB images, the time is taken by converting from RGB to sRGB.09:32.49 
chrisl Is that down to the new color management?09:33.02 
kens Good question.09:33.10 
  TO which the answer is 'I don't think so'09:33.18 
  But I could be wrong09:33.29 
  I suspect I 'fixed' a case where it wasn't doing a conversion, Its a bit hard to tell for sure, there have been quite a few changes since 8.7109:34.18 
  I suppose I could bisect it09:35.48 
chrisl I realise the predefined settings aren't our definitions, but I can't help but feel that sRGB is OTT for "ebook"......09:36.15 
kens I think the problem is that there is no other way to get RGB09:36.51 
  That is, to convert all colours to RGB09:37.06 
chrisl I suppose that makes some sense09:38.17 
kens Our new pdfwrite will have additional options which allow this, so I think that this problem will disappear in the next release anyway.09:38.59 
  I don't suppose anyone knows the hash of the 8.71 release in Git ?09:40.19 
chrisl It should be tagged09:41.04 
kens I think I found it09:41.40 
chrisl 9206f30376b9cd2c7b194bed2a7464ebceee5df809:41.42 
kens OK thanks09:41.52 
chrisl You can see all the tags: http://git.ghostscript.com/?p=ghostpdl.git;a=tags09:42.06 
kens THat's handy, thanks09:42.29 
Robin_Watts Hmm. I just imported openjpeg 2.0 into mupdf, and it compiled with no warnings. Something somewhere must be terribly wrong.11:13.25 
kens You cpmiled the wrong code ? :-)11:13.38 
  Or compiled even....11:13.48 
paulgardiner Has to be11:13.59 
Robin_Watts That would have been my guess too...11:14.35 
  Ah. All the files have moved directory, so I now have copies of both versions. So yes, wrong source version. Phew.11:18.13 
kens :-)11:18.21 
paulgardiner That's a relief! The alternative doesn't bear thinking about. :-)11:23.25 
sebras Robin_Watts: I could have told you that. :)12:41.38 
  Robin_Watts: openjpeg bug #205 might apply both to 1.5.1 and 2.0.12:42.06 
  I'm not able to deduce if that is the case from winfrieds comments though.12:42.27 
Robin_Watts sebras: AFAICT they've changed the API completely for v2.12:42.53 
sebras if it is, then this means there's a regression compared to tghe 1.5.0 version we use.12:42.57 
Robin_Watts so I'm trying to make it work with the new API now.12:43.17 
sebras Robin_Watts: yeah, probably. I'm just focusing on what can be decoded.12:43.20 
  Robin_Watts: what prompted you to attempt the upgrade?12:44.02 
  a customer bug?12:44.08 
Robin_Watts We had a large number of files in from customer 395 that show problems.12:44.55 
  I've run through all of them fixing them except for the libopenjpeg ones.12:45.07 
  and so before we spend hours and hours of effort fixing bugs in 1.5, we should at least try v2 to see if they are fixed.12:45.38 
  ooh. It's possible that the new interface will admit of stream based working.12:50.05 
sebras nice!12:53.36 
  Robin_Watts: I wonder if their new decoder is less problematic when it comes to fuzzing.12:54.03 
Robin_Watts I strongly suspect it's a new interface on the old decoder.12:54.27 
  i.e. all the same bugs, just stirred around a bit.12:54.35 
sebras Robin_Watts: ok, then I still need to dig deeper into j2k and their decoder I guess. :-/12:58.03 
  I have seen many examples of crashing when fuzzing both in the case of j2k and jbig2...12:58.31 
  I think I filed a bug or two for jbig2dec though.12:58.40 
Robin_Watts tor8: ping14:21.36 
tor8 Robin_Watts: hi14:21.44 
Robin_Watts I have an updated openjpeg git repo here.14:21.57 
tor8 Robin_Watts: openjpeg 2?14:22.13 
Robin_Watts Yes.14:22.20 
  Along with a hacked together mupdf to drive it.14:22.31 
tor8 how does it compare with openjpeg 1.5 in terms of file layout and build system?14:22.35 
Robin_Watts Everything has moved.14:22.50 
tor8 ugh. as I feared then.14:23.01 
Robin_Watts I'd like to push the new version to git, cos then I can cluster test it.14:23.23 
  but the git setup on gs won't let me write - possibly I'm not in the permitted users.14:24.37 
  Do you know about this?14:24.42 
tor8 Robin_Watts: did you make any modifications to the openjpeg source or it's just a 2.0 tarball unpack?14:24.43 
Robin_Watts It's a cp -pr from the current svn checkout.14:24.59 
tor8 Robin_Watts: the thirdparty gits from tarballs are created by some special scripts14:25.02 
Robin_Watts revision 227214:25.13 
  I have previously been able to update the freetype git.14:25.45 
tor8 Robin_Watts: freetype is a pure git mirror though14:26.01 
Robin_Watts right.14:26.09 
tor8 you should still be updating it from /home/git/thirdparty/freetype.git with "git remote update" not by pushing stuff to it14:26.17 
  as stated in the /home/git/thirdparty/README file14:26.44 
Robin_Watts ah, I will double check that.14:27.11 
tor8 and for the tarballs, I would prefer if we base our code off released versions where possible14:28.07 
Robin_Watts ok, that's fine. artifex is currently freetype/master14:28.15 
tor8 (to make it easier for distros)14:28.16 
Robin_Watts ok, that's fine. artifex is currently freetype/master~414:28.18 
tor8 Robin_Watts: "artifex" has just been purged :)14:28.30 
Robin_Watts fair enough.14:28.45 
tor8 Robin_Watts: do we point to 2.4.11 + a few commits for our thirdparty/freetype submodule?14:29.06 
Robin_Watts We point to 2ef0a1914:29.27 
  which is freetype/master~414:29.41 
  or 2.4.11 + a few, yes.14:29.51 
tor8 Robin_Watts: are the "+ a few" really critical?14:30.10 
Robin_Watts Critical in so much as the last one of them was specifically to fix a customer 395 bug.14:30.39 
tor8 Robin_Watts: right. so then we have a motivation for it (as I vaguely recall checking when reviewing the commit)14:31.02 
  I'd like to stick to released versions where we can get away with it14:31.26 
Robin_Watts The plan with the openjpeg stuff was to try the latest and greatest version to see if it solves the outstanding openjpeg problems.14:31.59 
tor8 Robin_Watts: right. I'll make a tarball snapshot commit for openjpeg-2.0.014:32.43 
Robin_Watts I could import the v2.0 release tag into git, and then bring each new svn version since in too.14:32.52 
tor8 Robin_Watts: I tried a git-svn import but that got too messy14:33.27 
  with all their third party and java viewer crap that just bloats things14:33.50 
Robin_Watts I was proposing a manual import of every trunk revision since openjpeg-2.0.014:33.58 
tor8 Robin_Watts: I'll stick 2.0.0 in there and then we can make a snapshot of the trunk you want to test against14:34.21 
Robin_Watts Right, but when we inevitably hit problems, what do I do?14:35.02 
  I will want to test against the latest version to see if the bug is solved.14:35.44 
  (So I think 2.0.0 is a good first step, but we probably want the bleeding edge in there too)14:36.14 
tor8 Robin_Watts: oh, right, so the release tarballs of openjpeg we already have in the thirdparty git have the thirdparty cruft in them too14:37.22 
  Robin_Watts: shall we set up a git-svn mirror that takes trunk from 2.0.0 and forward then?14:37.44 
Robin_Watts tor8: That sounds ideal.14:38.01 
tor8 Robin_Watts: I'll have to refresh my memory about how to use git-svn then :/14:38.27 
Robin_Watts tor8: presumably we need to ensure that the current SHAs remain valid?14:38.47 
tor8 Robin_Watts: doesn't matter, we can just make a new branch for the git-svn import14:39.11 
  or we can make it graft the parent onto the tarball imports14:39.25 
  I'll see what I can do14:39.31 
Robin_Watts Ah, right, perfect.14:39.31 
tor8 Robin_Watts: I have pushed onto /home/git/thirdparty/openjpeg.git a 2.0.0 tarball import14:40.58 
  if you want to try that while I sort out the git-svn14:41.14 
Robin_Watts Same 3 warnings in the lib itself...14:45.09 
  and it seems to work, yeah.14:46.18 
JakeSays Robin_Watts: did you see last my msg about the coordinate units?14:46.53 
Robin_Watts JakeSays: That you'd got it sorted?14:47.05 
JakeSays Robin_Watts: yeah. does my thinking make sense?14:47.20 
Robin_Watts JakeSays: Kinda.14:49.32 
JakeSays Robin_Watts: which part isnt making sense?14:58.14 
  ray_work: you around?14:58.21 
tor8 Robin_Watts: okay, I have a git-svn checkout of their trunk grafted on top of the tarballs in /home/tor/thirdparty/openjpeg ... I'll set up a remote in /home/git/thirdparty/openjpeg.git so that "git remote update" will pull from that staging repo (since git-svn repos can't be bare)15:03.05 
  and maybe put all that stuff in a crontab job15:03.25 
Robin_Watts tor8: cool.15:09.50 
  JakeSays: No particular part doesn't make sense. To be 100% sure you'd be right, I'd have to dive back into the code to understand exactly what -ttt outputs, and I haven't the time for that now.15:11.52 
JakeSays Robin_Watts: no prob. for what i'm doing it appears to work - no need to spend time on it15:12.37 
  just wanted to make sure i wasn't totally off 15:12.49 
Robin_Watts tor8: oddness.15:18.00 
  http://git.ghostscript.com/?p=thirdparty/openjpeg.git;a=summary15:18.08 
  That's showing master == 2.0.0 to me.15:18.17 
tor8 Robin_Watts: try again.15:18.33 
  Robin_Watts: I just fixed that :)15:18.37 
Robin_Watts but on casper itself I see HEAD == master == git svn15:18.41 
  Aha!15:18.49 
  What was wrong?15:18.51 
tor8 I just fixed it five seconds ago15:19.02 
  had to jiggle the .git/config to fetch the refs as a mirror15:19.27 
  not under origin/*15:19.34 
Robin_Watts Ah, ok, thanks.15:19.44 
  Right, so now I'll tidy it up and try some cluster tests.15:19.59 
  At the moment jpx's are a special case. My dodgy memory says that's because they can't be driven from streams.15:20.22 
  Am I remembering that right?15:20.37 
tor8 Robin_Watts: yeah, because of the colorspace needing to be fed as a special case15:20.58 
  Robin_Watts: now thirdparty.git and openjpeg.git should be updated @daily in my crontab15:22.21 
  s/thirdparty/freetype/15:22.27 
henrys Robin_Watts, tor8 :I wonder if the openjpeg can be worked on by alex freeing both of you up for other problems.15:36.06 
tor8 henrys: the new openjpeg.git is already live, no more for me to do there15:36.31 
Robin_Watts henrys: The openjpeg stuff is all that remains of the customer 395 issues.15:36.53 
  If these problems turn into a big deal, I was thinking that we could pass them to shelly or to zeniko/15:37.33 
henrys oh I didn't know that.15:37.45 
Robin_Watts Actually, I should rephrase that.15:38.04 
  I have run through all the 395 issues with memento on windows.15:38.30 
  Other than the openjpeg issues, we don't SEGV or leak any more.15:38.50 
  I can't tell if we have UMRs of course (in so far as no files crash, but might still be accessing out of bounds).15:39.17 
chrisl henrys: I can't remember if I mentioned - Shelly was asking about going ahead with the OpenJPEG 2.x integration for Ghostscript15:39.17 
Robin_Watts My plan was to see if the openjpeg 2.0 stuff solves many/some/any of the 395 issues.15:40.04 
  Then we can see if Zenikos fixes apply to it, and that may solve some.15:40.29 
  And then I was going to try running the files through valgrind.15:40.47 
henrys well alexcher owns that openjpeg for gs, alexcher do you want to integrate 2.0 or are you tied up with something?15:41.23 
  395 wow!16:12.48 
Robin_Watts henrys: customer 395 that is, not 395 issues.16:14.16 
henrys oh duh - wow monday16:14.58 
  chrisl:I'll email alexcher and then follow up with shelly about gs + openjpeg 2.016:25.30 
chrisl henrys: okay, thanks16:26.00 
kens chrisl I just decompressed that file with the 'off by 1 glyph' and it went from 2,9 Mb to 63Mb !16:43.40 
chrisl kens: I've got it down to a 32k decompressed PDF16:44.55 
kens :-)16:45.02 
  Well the text in hte PDF is ascii decoded to the same as Acrobat shows, so that's wqeird16:45.24 
chrisl Yeh, my first thought was incompatible subsets, but my file's only got one font in it16:45.54 
kens Yes, really od because the non-numeric/symbol text is OK16:46.17 
  Oh, the font isn't embedded ?16:46.50 
ray_work Robin_Watts: the "tricky" thing about JPX's is that the color space and other stuff come from the JPX, overriding or supplementing what's in the PDF Image dict16:47.34 
kens D'oh, no there it is, I missed the FOntFile16:47.53 
chrisl kens: the font is embedded16:47.57 
  And I think it's marked non-symbolic16:48.15 
kens flags is 3216:48.21 
  which I *think* is non-symbolic16:48.29 
kens wonders what happens if I pdfwrite it16:48.43 
  Well, the pdfwrite outptu is the same as the GS rendering16:49.47 
ray_work kens: bit 6 is non-symbolic16:49.52 
kens ray_work : yes but you have to remember to count from 116:50.05 
ray_work kens: right. so bit 6 == 3216:50.34 
  kens: so you are correct16:51.11 
chrisl Changing it to symbolic doesn't help.....16:52.02 
kens I'm not too surprised. Its a strange one16:52.30 
JakeSays so the pdf spec declares /Differences "(Optional; should not be used with TrueType fonts)" - if /Differences is being used with a truetype font, does mupdf support it?16:52.31 
alexcher henrys: Yes, I'm familiar with OpehJpeg and wold be glad to help.16:55.20 
henrys well let's get a 2.0 branch going I don't think we want it in trunk - release in Feb? chrisl?16:57.11 
chrisl henrys: no, you're right, I think we're too close to make the change for 9.0716:57.53 
Robin_Watts alexcher: are we going to have the softmasks fixed for 9.07 ?16:58.20 
JakeSays also, given /Encoding 690 0 R in a pdf, once i get a pointer to the /Encoding object, how do i then get the referenced object?16:58.45 
Robin_Watts (Bug 693115 I mean)16:59.03 
alexcher Robin_Watts: Most likely.16:59.35 
Robin_Watts excellent. Will be really glad to see that one fixed ! :)16:59.52 
kens OK off for a pizza, goodnight all17:01.17 
JakeSays ah. pdf_resolve_indirect i think17:05.34 
Robin_Watts JakeSays: Well, presumably you want to do something with that object, right?17:06.17 
JakeSays Robin_Watts: right17:06.26 
Robin_Watts So if it's a dictionary you'll want to look up in it, or something?17:06.42 
  So you do pdf_dict_gets() or something.17:06.52 
  And that has the resolve stuff rolled into it.17:07.05 
JakeSays ah ok so i dont need to do anything special17:07.15 
  cool17:07.17 
mvrhel_laptop good morning17:10.44 
JakeSays hmm. pdf is an interesting file format17:16.53 
henrys Curious if any of you windows folks ever got .net source code debugging to work. I followed the instruction and met with doom like many others who tried … I don't really need it anymore but it would be nice to have it available.17:23.25 
Robin_Watts I've always avoided .not17:24.30 
mvrhel_laptop henrys: I had dabbled a bit in that stuff years ago with xps. did you find the issue in your file?17:27.51 
henrys not yet just getting back to it. I know it is not the xps but the zip.17:28.30 
mvrhel_laptop oh17:28.45 
henrys from my reading this weekend .net users should not be given gun permits.17:33.12 
Robin_Watts henrys: Or they should all be given loaded guns to play with within their padded cells.17:37.26 
tor8 Robin_Watts: s/padded/bullet proof/17:41.34 
Robin_Watts tor8: I have 264 files that are now giving errors rather than rendering with 2.0 instead of 1.5.017:42.13 
sebras Robin_Watts: sounds like a serious regression..?18:33.12 
Robin_Watts sebras: Previously, if the lib hit more tile parts than it expected it warned, and continued.18:33.45 
  now it gives up.18:33.50 
  I've raised issue 208 on their bug tracker, so we'll see what they say.18:34.06 
sebras Robin_Watts: in my experience they take good long while before answering...18:34.44 
Robin_Watts My attempts to change the code to ignore the problem did not work :)18:36.18 
  It may be possible to work around it by moving the decoding tiling logic out.18:43.39 
mvrhel_laptop Robin_Watts: are you here?19:18.13 
Robin_Watts mvrhel_laptop: I am.19:45.54 
mvrhel_laptop oh hi Robin_Watts. I think I got it figured out now19:46.08 
Robin_Watts fair enough :)19:46.20 
mvrhel_laptop playing around with mupdf and my windows c++ app19:46.25 
Robin_Watts ah. how goes it?19:46.41 
mvrhel_laptop slooooowwww19:46.47 
Robin_Watts slow progress or slow app ? :)19:47.02 
mvrhel_laptop took me a bit to get some c++/c issues sorted out19:47.02 
  slow progress19:47.08 
  :)19:47.09 
  and some windows runtime mismatch issues19:47.21 
Robin_Watts joy.19:47.36 
mvrhel_laptop and now I just realized that the mupdf library and the third party library were different19:47.46 
  I would have thought the mupdf.lib had everything19:48.10 
Robin_Watts We could rejig the build process so it did, probably.19:48.50 
  (except possibly v8)19:48.58 
mvrhel_laptop no worires19:48.59 
  I just could not figure out why it was not linking19:49.17 
  but I think I may finally be close to getting this to open something19:49.41 
  then its back to the windows UI fun stuff19:50.09 
  Robin_Watts: so you are all recovered from the flu19:51.23 
  ?19:51.25 
Robin_Watts pretty much.19:51.33 
  still sound a bit tubercular, but I'm feeling *much* better.19:51.45 
mvrhel_laptop thats good. my son came down with a fever last night. he is the last one to get this stuff here. my cough is slowly going away19:52.23 
Robin_Watts It's horrid when it burns through families.19:57.29 
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JakeSays question regarding this function: fz_currentpoint(fz_context *ctx, fz_path *path) - does it return the last point defined in the path?20:38.49 
mvrhel_laptop bbiaw20:39.35 
tor8 JakeSays: yes.20:48.03 
JakeSays tor8: thanks20:48.19 
  hmm. it looks to me like the text extractor driver in mudraw ignores font encodings20:58.02 
henrys Robin_Watts:I guess mupdf should be made Affero as well, for8 just left, can you change it or should I send him email?21:28.21 
henrys must figure out how to stop colloquy from respelling my words21:29.49 
  tor8:are you about?22:24.16 
tor8 henrys: briefly22:24.28 
henrys miles wants to go ahead and make the affero change now.22:24.48 
tor8 henrys: okay.22:24.57 
  do you remember if we've given the sumatra folks a heads up that we've been considering the affero?22:25.30 
henrys so as soon as you get a chance. thanks22:25.30 
tor8 henrys: will change the COPYING and README files tomorrow.22:25.44 
henrys I don't know that how would it affect them?22:26.00 
  oh right 22:26.15 
tor8 well, they'll need to change too22:26.24 
henrys of course that is an issue22:26.26 
tor8 I doubt there'll be any problems, but it would be polite to give them some warning or just a mail to let them know. robin is in regular communications with zeniko so I think he should be the one to do it.22:27.22 
  Robin_Watts: ^22:27.32 
henrys makes sense, I'll remind Robin_Watts, he usually pops in late in the evening.22:29.53 
JakeSays out of curiosity whats the reasoning behind the move to agpl?23:16.15 
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