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kens chrisl ping09:08.11 
  actually, forget that09:08.42 
chrisl kens: forget what? :-)09:19.05 
kens THe ping I just put out, but if you are free....09:19.18 
chrisl Sure, just getting coffee09:19.30 
kens I'm having some trouble diagnosing a problem with a type1->CFF conversion09:19.36 
  The problem seems to occur because the first path operation is a rlineto, not a moveto09:20.18 
  type 2 says the first opertation shall be a moveto09:20.24 
  So we special case check this (gdevpsfx.x, line 568 or so)09:20.44 
  and emit a vmoveto or hmoveto09:21.10 
  What we actually emit is "374 0 vmoveto" which I think is invalid09:22.33 
chrisl vmoveto/hmoveto only take one parameter, don't they?09:22.34 
kens I don't think kyou are allowed to bundle up hmovetos, what would be the point ?09:22.34 
  By the way, this is bug #693633 if you want to look at the source file09:23.02 
chrisl It does look like you're not supposed to have multiple consecutive v/hmovetos....09:26.52 
kens THat's what I though09:28.15 
  thought09:28.18 
  So, what I need to do is convert the rlineto into a 'moveto and a rlineto where one of the initial relative movements (x or y) is 009:28.55 
  And I think that's what is screwing up09:29.15 
  I think its emitting the 'x' relative moevement as one of the arguments to the hmoveto.09:29.47 
  let me see if I can quickly hack this09:29.57 
  Well, I'm getting a corrupted glyph, but at least Acrobat isn't complaining :-)09:31.34 
  SO I'm on the right lines, thanks chrisl09:31.43 
chrisl NP, I'm wondering if the lack of a moveto "implies" a "0 0 moveto", or "origin_x origin_y moveto" or something09:32.44 
kens I think in type 1 the implicit origin is 0,0 in type 2 there is no implicit initial point09:41.59 
  The problem (probably) is that this font is converted from TT to type 1, and so is not necessarily of high (or even decent) quality)09:42.45 
chrisl That's what I'm thinking - if a Type 1 glyph relies on an implicit initial point, when converting to T2 it might need an explicit start point09:43.20 
kens Type 2 has an implicit start, but all charstrings are required (apparently) to start with a 'movet', not a lineto09:44.31 
  type 1 doesn't seem to have this restriction. In fairness, its possible type 2 interpreters would cope too, the code in gdevpsfx.c is, bluntly, wrong.09:45.04 
  I see now that it is assuming that there will be the glyph 'width' (from hsbw) on the stack, but if we have any hints this will *not* be true.09:45.32 
  I'm guessing that someone added hint processing and missed this little assumption in the code.09:45.47 
  (very possibly me)09:46.01 
  And that fix works perfectly.09:46.35 
  Now to cluster push it.09:46.43 
chrisl Cool, sorry phone call - and I need to go out for a while in a minute. Sounds like you've found the problem, though09:51.51 
  In fact, now - bbiaw....09:52.05 
kens No problem, I understadn the (baroque,impenetrable) code better now, thanks09:52.09 
  chrisl (for when you get back) I am unable to compile on the cluster, and I don't think its my code. I'm getting:10:29.39 
  collect2: ld returned 1 exit status10:29.39 
  make: *** [bin/gs] Error 110:29.39 
  "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcupsimage10:29.59 
  "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcups10:29.59 
  "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgssapi_krb510:29.59 
  "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgnutls10:29.59 
  "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status10:29.59 
  "make: *** [bin/gs] Error 110:30.00 
  THis 'appears' to be only a problem on alex_x6 (I htink)10:30.30 
  SoI've disabled it and am trying again10:30.54 
  And I can't take it out of the cluster, I get taken to a page which says it failed10:31.51 
  'touch /home/regression/cluster/alex_x6.down': Failed!10:32.04 
  If anyone has any ideas, I'd be grateful......10:32.19 
Robin_Watts kens: I can take it out.10:55.09 
kens please robin10:55.19 
Robin_Watts done.10:55.51 
kens thanks I'll try again10:56.36 
  still fails on alex_x611:15.42 
Robin_Watts Sorry. I touched alex_x6.done, not alex_x6.down :(11:23.13 
  Try again now.11:23.15 
  Crumbs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-2141130411:26.53 
kens ok11:27.01 
  that looks better Robin_Watts thanks11:29.51 
Robin_Watts np.11:29.56 
chrisl I wonder why alex_x6 should suddenly do that..... wonder if it's had a dist-upgrade?12:01.46 
Robin_Watts marcosw updated a couple of his nodes the other day. Maybe alex followed suit.12:17.33 
chrisl My experience is that "apt-get dist-upgrade" isn't great at updating the -dev packages....12:18.46 
kens I don't know what's wrong exactly, but that node won't build GS12:19.00 
  Off for a haircut, back soon12:19.11 
chrisl Robin_Watts: are you staying overnight up in London for the Wall in September?12:19.54 
Robin_Watts chrisl: Probably not.12:20.05 
  but tor8/sebras might be.12:20.14 
chrisl Are you driving up, then?12:20.32 
Robin_Watts And there is a possibility that Scott and his 11 year old grandson Austin may come.12:20.40 
  chrisl: I suspect I'll take the train.12:20.48 
chrisl Robin_Watts: Well, count me in - I'll sort out the logistics nearer the time!12:21.11 
Robin_Watts Train (Banbury to Marylebone), then Baker Street -> Wembley on the tube.12:21.19 
  And that way we can meet up for food before hand maybe.12:21.33 
  Seated tickets are 82.50 each. I assume that's OK.12:21.56 
  Standing are 66 quid.12:22.05 
chrisl Yeh, seated is good12:22.11 
Robin_Watts Or you can get a corporate hospitality package at 395 per person.12:22.27 
  but that includes champagne and blowjobs(*).12:22.37 
  (* May not actually contain blowjobs)12:22.44 
chrisl Would Miles pay?? ;-)12:22.45 
Robin_Watts I doubt it,sadly :)12:22.57 
chrisl Anyway, seated will be fine12:23.21 
Robin_Watts cool.12:23.24 
  kens, paulgardiner: In case either of you are interested... we are going to see "The Wall" at Wembley stadium on 14th September.12:23.59 
  I spoke to Miles, and he says our staff meeting will be 6/7th September in Chicago, as there is the Print '13 tradeshow from the 8-12th afterwards.12:24.48 
chrisl I doubt it would be a problem - we've excluded plenty of dates for staff meeting due to folks' other commitments.12:26.18 
Robin_Watts chrisl: I was prepared to take the risk, but Miles has confirmed it's OK, so that's even better.12:26.44 
chrisl Hmmm, IIRC, when I was 11 years old, the complete video for The Wall was still banned........12:29.34 
Robin_Watts The video or the film?12:29.53 
chrisl Well, the video of the film12:30.07 
  I think you could get a censored version12:30.32 
Robin_Watts I have the 25th anniversary DVD release I think.12:31.17 
chrisl I have the performance Waters did in Berlin on a double LP, but the audio production isn't great12:32.28 
Robin_Watts The one at the brandenburg gate after the Berlin Wall fell? I have that too.12:32.55 
chrisl Yes, that's the one12:33.11 
Robin_Watts The fact that the power failed 4 times during the concert makes the fact they managed to get a recording out at all fairly surprising :)12:33.27 
chrisl Must have been quite a show to attend12:34.00 
Robin_Watts Yeah. "Are all these your guitars?" is the role Jerry Hall was born to play ?12:34.31 
  s/?/!/12:34.41 
chrisl I suspect with the venue, and everything else it would count more as "an experience" than a concert12:35.40 
sebras Robin_Watts: yes, I suspect we'd stay at least over night. we haven't synced up about it yet though. :(12:41.17 
  oh, and I wonder... should it be Wall or -Wall -Wextra...?12:42.36 
Robin_Watts would offer a room, but I'm a long way out of london (and I only have 1 spare room).12:44.00 
sebras I'm trying to contact tor8 to be able to sort out the details tonight.12:46.16 
tor8 we'll def want to spend the night somewhere12:48.07 
henrys good morning - sounds like an awesome event at Wembley15:03.01 
Robin_Watts henrys: come see it!15:03.12 
henrys is Scott really going?15:03.20 
Robin_Watts henrys: He's looking into it now.15:03.30 
  but he gets free flights of course.15:03.35 
henrys that would be a bit more than I'm willing to pay for a concert15:03.50 
  I could have seen the original one when I was a kid and didn't go, I regret it, I did manage to see the The Who and The Clash at Shea Stadium in that same era15:07.43 
  christ I'm old ;-)15:13.12 
Robin_Watts hehe15:13.21 
kens I like today's XKCD15:23.31 
henrys kens:sounds familiar15:28.12 
JakeSays so i have a type1 font descriptor that defines this charset: /CharSet (/L/A/M/Y/N/C/O/D/P/E/F/R/S/H/T/I/U/space)15:29.29 
  and this line: /R11 9 Tf15:29.44 
  if i understand the spec, Tf sets the current font to object 11, size 9?15:30.07 
Robin_Watts No.15:30.28 
  It sets the current font to the font object named R11 in the current resources dictionary(ies)15:30.53 
  at size 9.15:31.05 
JakeSays isnt /R a reference to an object?15:31.28 
Robin_Watts tor8, paulgardiner: Updated reflow review on robin/master15:31.40 
  About to look at the paul/master reviews now.15:31.49 
henrys Robin_Watts: nothing from raph I take it.15:32.04 
Robin_Watts tor8: And the pass by reference stuff still needs review.15:32.09 
  henrys: Nope :(15:32.13 
  JakeSays: No.15:32.15 
JakeSays bah. no wonder nothing is making sense15:32.30 
Robin_Watts I think you may be confusing stuff with "11 0 R" (which is a reference to object 11 generation 0).15:32.56 
JakeSays yeah15:33.21 
  i think you're right15:33.26 
  Robin_Watts: ok so this: /R11 10 0 R indicates R11 is a ref. to 10 0?15:36.09 
tor8 Robin_Watts: I believe the reference stuff is good to go15:37.33 
Robin_Watts tor8: There are about 7 reviews on robin/master, of which the reference one is number 3.15:41.16 
  Are all 7 good to go? (The last one being the android fixes)15:41.29 
tor8 Robin_Watts: and the other stuff on robin/master too15:41.34 
Robin_Watts Thanks.15:41.39 
  Pauls look fine to me too.15:41.45 
tor8 I've got two on tor/master for apple fixes. don't push those to origin yet though, I may figure out what's causing crashes and what's broken in xcode eventually15:42.26 
paulgardiner Robin_Watts: do the characters of a span no longer necessarily share a common style?15:43.40 
Robin_Watts indeed.15:44.18 
JakeSays a span as in the spans in the xml output?15:48.04 
Robin_Watts JakeSays: indeed.15:48.40 
JakeSays oh hmm. that would mess things up for what i'm currently doing15:49.29 
Robin_Watts JakeSays: how so?15:49.54 
JakeSays Robin_Watts: i depend on a span being a single style15:50.33 
  although15:50.55 
  hmm. i'll have to think about it. it may actually help15:51.20 
  Robin_Watts: my app does text extraction to convert printed statements in to their original data15:51.59 
  i do things like "look for a span of text that is in font x, size y, at position z15:52.33 
  and use that as an anchor15:52.41 
Robin_Watts The only real difference is that the style pointer is now a per char thing.15:54.06 
  (and the bbox for chars is calculated rather than being stored in each one)15:54.39 
  spans and lines have bboxes.15:54.48 
JakeSays do you know what the relationship of the values in a /CharSet is to glyph ids?15:56.41 
kens What do you mean by glyph ID ? TYpe 1 fonts don;t have glyph IDs, they have anmes16:00.26 
  names*16:00.36 
JakeSays kens: ah well that explains why mapping gids to that charset array isn't making sense16:01.37 
kens CharSet is only valid for type 1 fonts16:01.59 
JakeSays yeah i have a type 1 font16:02.12 
kens OK so type 1 fonts are encoded.16:02.23 
paulgardiner Robin_Watts: you also have a change to strings.xml that you might not have intended for this commit.16:02.24 
Robin_Watts I think I've removed that too.16:02.36 
kens The 'text' is actually an index into the ENcoding array16:02.39 
  THe Encoding array gives you the glyph name corresponding to that index16:02.55 
paulgardiner Robin_Watts: I thought you might of, but...16:02.56 
kens The CharSet just tells you which glyphs in a font are used.16:03.15 
JakeSays ah ok16:04.52 
kens Err, actually it tells you which glyphs are 'available' I think16:05.20 
  ie which ones are present in the font16:06.00 
JakeSays kens: the encoding array being /Encoding?16:06.35 
  or defined in /Encoding16:06.39 
kens "/Encoding" is a name.16:07.40 
  THe font dictionary contains a key/vlaue pair, the key is the name "/Encoding" its value is an array16:08.01 
JakeSays right16:08.08 
  thats what i meant16:08.12 
  the array defined by /Encoding16:08.23 
kens Well its not 'defined' by /ENcoding16:08.53 
JakeSays in this particular pdf, i have /Encoding /WinAnsiEncoding16:09.26 
  i'm assuming that means the encoding array is the standard win ansi one16:09.46 
kens The font dicitonary contains a key with that name, and the array (which defines 'the encoding') is the value associated with that key16:09.51 
  WinAnsiEncoding is defined in the PDF spec16:10.04 
  A PDF interpreter should contain a copy of the WinAnsiEncoding array which it canuse16:10.36 
JakeSays so whats the proper terminology? when i say defined by /Encoding, i mean the /Encoding dictionary entry's value indicates or contains the encoding.16:11.13 
kens I woudl normally say the encoding array (not /Encoding)16:12.36 
JakeSays how do you determine the encoding array?16:13.28 
  actually, i have a feeling for what i'm doing none of this should really matter to me. 16:14.38 
  i suspect i had a bad pdf that has sent me down a rat hole16:14.51 
kens THis is not uncommon16:15.19 
Robin_Watts tor8: I've updated the commit on my reflow branch with pauls suggestions.16:50.47 
henrys sorry I was rearranging stuff resulting in henrysx6 and Mac Pro going down they should be back soon.17:06.12 
mvrhel_laptop henrys; I am going to out this week wed through friday. I will send out an email17:22.22 
  off to whistler for a few days17:22.38 
henrys oh cool have fun17:22.48 
mvrhel_laptop got myself a helmet cam. I think my son is going to be wearing it most of the time though17:23.27 
henrys mvrhel_laptop: I just bought a plane ticket to canada how is that just flying over the border seems to double the airfare?17:24.34 
mvrhel_laptop yes. it is weird. 17:25.06 
  where and when are you going?17:25.10 
  henrys^^17:25.17 
henrys mvrhel_laptop: penticton, august17:25.35 
  good snow at whistler - we finally got some hear it has been fairly dry17:26.08 
  ?17:26.13 
mvrhel_laptop I think they have had a lot of snow there henrys. Is Penticon going to be a race. I have not been over in that part of BC I bet it is beautiful 17:27.16 
henrys yes challenge penticton - it's an ironman like event17:27.50 
mvrhel_laptop nice17:27.56 
henrys actually the race is put on by challenge who is an ironman competitor17:28.21 
  anyway I could have flown to spokane 100 or so miles south for half the price. crazy17:28.49 
mvrhel_laptop 5 -6 hour drive from here. just looking at it17:28.54 
  bellingham might have been ok to fly into17:29.16 
  but either way it is a drive17:29.44 
  are you flying right into Penticton?17:30.01 
henrys yeah I just paid it's my first time doing this kind of thing and I didn't want to fool with transportation17:30.28 
mvrhel_laptop right17:30.33 
henrys can't wait to see the helmet cam flicks!17:31.12 
mvrhel_laptop hehe. I will post a few someplace17:31.50 
  I really want to use the thing windsurfing this summer17:32.07 
henrys I guess they are fairly weather-proof17:32.27 
mvrhel_laptop yes. it comes is a waterproof case17:32.43 
  and will do video at various resolutions or timelapse photos, or photo bursts17:33.02 
henrys I ride my bike fast down canyons here and I wanted to try it out too. Lots of folks use them here.17:33.17 
mvrhel_laptop yes. bike riding would be good to use too. just need to edit out the part of me pushing my bike uphill ;^)17:33.46 
  or breaking something....17:34.20 
Robin_Watts mvrhel_laptop: Hero?17:40.11 
mvrhel_laptop Hero 2. Yes Robin_Watts 17:40.24 
Robin_Watts nice. It's the one that Stuff magazine consistently recommends.17:42.42 
henrys I was going to mention at the meeting we should announce days off To: Joann and CC:staff. I think that's easy and consistent17:55.48 
  bbiab18:04.37 
Robin_Watts http://ghostscript.com/~robin/MuPDF-8.apk <- New version of mupdf. Better paragraph detection in reflow mode.18:17.50 
JakeSays kens: bah. yeah. that one bad batch of pdfs consumed two weeks of my life :(18:49.52 
marcosw Except for the one UFST with PS/PDF issue that Chris points out none of our customer are using, there are were no issues found in 9.07rc1 so I recommend we ship it. There are some performance regressions, but some of these are due to increase in output correctness and other I can't duplicate. There are some ones that should be addressed, but I don't think we need to hold up the release.18:54.38 
henrys marcsow:did you have a chance to look at some of the extreme pcl slowdowns? Was that an error or something - all the files I looked at were very simple, shouldn't have changed18:56.36 
marcosw alexcher: pong18:56.49 
  henrys: many of them I can't duplicate. I don't understand why the occurred on the performance regression machines and am continuing to investigate.18:57.35 
  I plan on opening a bug for the ones I can duplicate.18:57.53 
henrys marcosw:okay thank you18:57.56 
alexcher marcosw: I think I've fixed alex_x6.19:00.22 
marcosw alexcher: you had to reinstall the cups dev libraries after a linux update?19:00.47 
mvrhel_laptop henrys: resent my email to joann with a cc to staff as you suggested19:00.57 
  much better that way. last time I was in canada scott called me and wanted to chit chat....19:01.21 
henrys mvrhel_laptop: oh that's why you copied him in explicitly19:01.48 
mvrhel_laptop hehe yes19:01.53 
alexcher marcosw: I've tried to install 32-bit libraries and broke 64-bit ones.19:02.16 
mvrhel_laptop in the past I have just sent an email to joann and one to tech19:02.17 
marcosw alexcher: sounds reasonable :-)19:02.33 
chrisl henrys: there may be some inefficiencies in the PCL/FAPI integration - I was more focussed on getting the correct output at the time......19:04.48 
  marcosw: given the isolated nature of the change needed to fix the UFST regression, I wouldn't be averse to pulling it in - it only effects outline glyphs.19:06.12 
henrys chrisl: well marcosw can't reproduce any of it.19:06.22 
marcosw henrys: I can reproduce some of the performance issues.19:07.01 
  chrisl: you point out that no one is using UFST with PS/PDF, so I don't see any point.19:07.29 
chrisl marcosw: fair enough - I do think I should fix it soon, though.....19:08.21 
henrys if you did anything that would disable caching I can imagine the sort of slowdown I'm seeing, but we'll wait for marcosw bug reports, easy to see with a profile19:08.41 
marcosw chrisl: if no other reason that it makes the weekly regression testing easeri. I agree.19:08.45 
chrisl marcosw: for the performance regressions in PCL, you can isolate it to the FAPI revamp using the -dDisableFAPI option (for now.....)19:09.27 
  marcosw, henrys: so we go for release tomorrow?19:10.13 
marcosw chrisl: yes.19:10.27 
henrys I vote yea19:10.34 
chrisl Cool :-)19:10.42 
  henrys: BTW, I'm taking Wednesday (mostly) off - I sent the mail to Joann before I saw your comment.... I'll mail tech in a moment19:11.37 
henrys so should we hold off until thursday for the release?19:12.19 
  release and run ;-)19:12.32 
chrisl I can do that - I will be around for a while Weds morning, but I don't about later in the day19:13.34 
henrys I'd rather you be available a few days after the release so thursday is good for me, but I don't feel strongly about it.19:14.52 
chrisl It'll be a little easier for me - I can update the docs and stuff tomorrow, and actually release it to the world on Thursday19:15.32 
  So Thursday it is!19:15.55 
mvrhel_laptop bbiaw20:01.39 
ray_laptop we had a power outage all around the area until recently. As a result my home, office and my mother-in-laws house were all down. It looks like peeves came back up, but didn't recognize the monitor, so all I can get is 1280x1024 :-(21:04.12 
  trying a reboot of it now21:04.23 
  sure is TAKING a while to shut down peeves :-( How long does it wait after "asking all remaining processes to terminate" ?21:06.59 
  OK. it shut down. coming back up...21:08.40 
Robin_Watts ray_laptop: Test mupdf while you wait :)21:08.58 
  http://ghostscript.com/~robin/MuPDF-8.apk <- New version of mupdf. Better paragraph detection in reflow mode.21:09.03 
ray_laptop Robin_Watts: don't have my tablet here (just my phone). Besides, my laptop is still up :-)21:09.44 
Robin_Watts well, when you do get back to tablet range, I'd appreciate it if you could give it a quick test.21:10.16 
henrys so this reflow is enabled with the lines with a bend on the right yes?21:10.21 
Robin_Watts Yeah.21:10.29 
  They are supposed to be arrows bending downwards.21:10.54 
ray_laptop ahh... that's better. Have a full res screen now21:11.21 
henrys okay so pages are resizing when I do that, I flow then go to the next page and the background white part of the page is a different size sometimes shrinking down to a couple lines21:11.31 
Robin_Watts yup.21:11.38 
  Each page is still kept as a page, but the html page produced is only large enough for the text on it.21:12.01 
  You can zoom as usual.21:12.09 
henrys ugh21:12.30 
Robin_Watts ugh?21:12.42 
ray_laptop henrys: were you looking for 'continuous' reflow (across pages ??)21:13.22 
  hurray -- even the regression monitor sees peeves as 'up'21:13.59 
Robin_Watts ray_laptop: The roadmap we did makes it clear that that's a separate item.21:14.01 
ray_laptop Robin_Watts: sorry.21:14.14 
henrys it just looks odd21:14.19 
Robin_Watts ray_laptop: No worries.21:14.22 
  henrys: "Looks odd" how?21:14.30 
ray_laptop I just didn't understand henry's "ugh"21:14.32 
Robin_Watts Looks odd as it zooms ?21:14.37 
  ray_laptop: Me either :)21:14.40 
  or the extracted text looks odd ?21:14.49 
  Looking odd as it zooms - well, that's androids WebView for you.21:15.10 
  The extracted text looking odd - what page are you looking at of what document ?21:15.56 
henrys I have a document the entire background is white page 1 - next page the white is a small narrow strip with 3 or 4 lines inside21:16.05 
Robin_Watts And how would you rather it was laid out ?21:16.38 
henrys I didn't expect the background to be effected at all just the text 21:18.05 
Robin_Watts You expected the original page sizes to be kept?21:18.27 
  How does that work when you zoom?21:18.37 
kens OK I'm off, night all21:18.52 
Robin_Watts We're extracting the text, and throwing everything else away currently.21:19.01 
  The background is just "a blank html page big enough to hold the text".21:19.21 
henrys okay I think that most people would be surprised if the page size changes dramatically each page, maybe I'm wrong21:22.38 
Robin_Watts We could probably enforce a minimum page height for each page.21:23.32 
henrys What do you think about a static page size, if reflow goes over the page - a scrollbar pops up or is that very difficult to do?21:25.54 
Robin_Watts henrys: It's a webview.21:26.29 
  All we are doing is showing a webpage.21:26.39 
  and we've got hooks in there that set the 'zoom' factor of the webpage.21:26.56 
  and we fix the width of the webpage.21:27.05 
  so, we could probably set the webpage to have a minimum height (of the size of the screen, maybe?)21:27.43 
  Then as you zoom, you'd start to be able to move up and down.21:27.57 
henrys it may be just disturbing to me. Let's see what others say I don't want to waste time if I'm the only one concerned.21:28.48 
Robin_Watts Unless we want to change our view mode fundamentally, we want to keep the 1:1 relationship between reflown and non-reflown text.21:31.05 
  s/text./pages./21:31.31 
  henrys: Well, it would be good to gather opinions from ray/michael/anyone else with an android device.21:36.44 
  Certainly I find our reflow behaves more like I expect than Repligo's or Adobe Readers.21:37.10 
  OK, there is a min-height css thing.21:48.55 
henrys adobe does not reflow the entire document?21:51.48 
Robin_Watts Adobe works on a page by page basis too.21:52.05 
henrys of course they will support reflow tags21:52.47 
Robin_Watts but if it reflows a source page into 2 pages, the second will be half full, I believe.21:52.54 
  So, take pdf_reference17.pdf for example21:53.39 
  if I look at page 26/1310, it reflows that onto 3 screenfuls.21:54.03 
  which I get to by sweeping left, so they appear as 3 reflown pages.21:54.27 
  The last of these reflown pages just has a single line on.21:54.43 
  well, 2 lines.21:54.48 
  wheras, if it was truly reflown you'd expect the content on page 27 to continue immediately.21:55.15 
  Our keeps the 1:1 page correspondence, so is nicer (IMHO), and you can page through by just tapping the bottom (or right) edge of the screen21:56.22 
henrys Robin_Watts: and why not one page with a scroll bar?21:59.26 
  bbiam22:02.13 
henrys_ looks like we are pretty close to getting fiber in my town … yeah!22:54.42 
sebras henrys: google fiber? how fast is that?23:32.42 
henrys sebras:unclear they are talking 200 mbs I get 20 now so that would be a nice improvement for me23:34.15 
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