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| tklc | Artifex? | 00:01.04 |
| Robin_Watts | tklc: Yes. | 00:02.45 |
| tklc | thank you kindly :) | 00:02.54 |
| Robin_Watts | tklc: It was originally written by L Peter Deutsch. | 00:02.59 |
| tklc | oh, cool | 00:03.08 |
| | just wanted to give him credit :) | 00:03.19 |
| Robin_Watts | And over the years control has passed to Aladdin, then to Artifex. | 00:03.28 |
| | Currently Artifex own and develop it. | 00:03.36 |
| tklc | thank you for the information...now just 200 more rpms to research ;) | 00:04.17 |
| Robin_Watts | good luck. | 00:07.18 |
| ray_work | JFtR, Aladdin Enterprises was Peter L. Deutsch's company established to market Ghostscript, his original work. Also he (probably with a lawyer) came up with the Aladdin Free Public License, to both encourage open source AND prohibit profit making on the backs of open source. Alas, it was supplanted by GPL that expected most open source companies to get revenue from support | 01:57.53 |
| | Peter sold the rights to Ghostscript to Artifex to Miles when he wanted to just concentrate on the product, development and customer support. | 01:59.05 |
| | When I originally (at a previous company) licensed Ghostscript, it was directly from Peter (Aladdin Enterprises) with terms similar to what Miles has today (disregarding costs). | 02:00.47 |
| | and Robin_Watts is correct, it is "L. Peter Deutsch" (since I met him as "Peter", I forget which is his first name) | 02:02.39 |
| | after the | 02:11.05 |
| | after the "acquisition" by Artifex Software, licensing of original and new customers has continued. Some established even in the 1980's that are still customers today ! | 02:13.20 |
| | one of our biggest customers, even today, signed on circa 1993 | 02:15.04 |
| madmoose | ray_work: Wikipedia says he changed his first name to L, so there's no dot in "L Peter Deutsch" | 08:29.35 |
| Robin_Watts | hi tor8. How goes ios? | 11:21.33 |
| Robin_Watts | reboots PC. brb. | 11:22.15 |
| tor8 | hey Robin_Watts | 11:35.05 |
| Robin_Watts | rebooty windows updates :( | 11:37.43 |
| tor8 | patch tuesday, eh? | 11:38.07 |
| Robin_Watts | mmm | 11:38.14 |
| tor8 | which reminds me, ought to do the patch tuesday dance as well... | 11:39.03 |
| Robin_Watts | Any progress with ios ? | 11:39.14 |
| | henrys was asking about our progress towards a release at the meeting yesterday. | 11:39.35 |
| tor8 | regarding ios, can't reproduce it at all anymore so I'm considering it done for now :( | 11:39.36 |
| Robin_Watts | ah, heisenbug :( | 11:39.55 |
| tor8 | right. slap on a 1.2 and compile some releases? | 11:39.55 |
| Robin_Watts | could do. | 11:40.08 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: it might be related to how the system is started... | 11:40.26 |
| Robin_Watts | I have various patches on robin/reflow. Not sure if any of them should be considered for the release. | 11:40.34 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: release notes will need to be written | 11:40.45 |
| | and we sholud probably give the readme a good working over | 11:40.54 |
| | Robin_Watts: let me look at the branch | 11:41.03 |
| Robin_Watts | ok. I can help with some of that. | 11:41.05 |
| tor8 | copyright dates have to be bumped as well | 11:41.19 |
| | Robin_Watts: the android readme should probably say to run "make generate" and we'll get rid of half of the stackoverflow noob questions about how "make" fails. | 11:42.18 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: sorry, phone. | 12:00.40 |
| | The Android instructions are clear, it's just no one reads them. | 12:00.59 |
| | Short of putting "MAKE SURE YOU READ STEP 10" at the top of the file, I'm not sure how to make it plainer. | 12:01.25 |
| tor8 | I know. It's the usual "I don't need no stinking manuals", combined with illiteracy and TL;DR. | 12:17.27 |
| Robin_Watts | So... let's divide the jobs. | 12:24.44 |
| | What would you like me to do? | 12:24.49 |
| | Want me to run through the list of changes since the last release? | 12:25.03 |
| tor8 | changelist would be good, thanks | 12:33.21 |
| | I'll bump the numbers and take a look through the top README | 12:33.45 |
| Robin_Watts | hmm. We never updated changes.txt for the 1.1 release did we ? | 12:36.14 |
| | oh, ignore me./ | 12:39.23 |
| | changes.txt has the 1.0 -> 1.1 changes in. | 12:39.35 |
| | I need to add the 1.1 -> 1.2 ones. | 12:39.41 |
| tor8 | where is this changes.txt file? | 12:40.00 |
| Robin_Watts | Oh. It's in my mupdf directory. | 12:41.31 |
| miha | i use mupdf to generate thumbnails.. is there a way to add limit (no more than 20 thumbs, for example) | 12:41.35 |
| Robin_Watts | It must be the list I made last time :) | 12:41.38 |
| miha | mudraw | 12:41.48 |
| Robin_Watts | miha: So you call: "mudraw -o out%d.png blah.pdf" or something? | 12:42.08 |
| miha | yes | 12:42.13 |
| Robin_Watts | Try "mudraw -o out%d.png blah.pdf 1-20" | 12:42.18 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: feel free to add it in a commit, but named CHANGES | 12:42.47 |
| | Robin_Watts: android/res/values/strings.xml the "version" string has a " (Build 6)" on the end | 12:43.12 |
| | how is that maintained? | 12:43.21 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: Have I checked that in? balls. | 12:43.30 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: so I'll just change it to "1.2" and remove the (Build X) substring | 12:43.57 |
| Robin_Watts | I put that in and edit it manually so I get a version number showing when we run mupdf and see the file picker. | 12:44.04 |
| | tor8: Is that actually on golden/master ? | 12:44.14 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: it is. | 12:44.20 |
| Robin_Watts | Shite. Thanks. | 12:44.26 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: in the "Fix NullPointerException seen on Google Play" commit | 12:45.53 |
| | Robin_Watts: commits on tor/master for review | 12:49.59 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: I'll look after lunch, if that's OK. Want to try to bash through the changes before I lose my place. | 12:52.16 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: sure thing | 12:55.16 |
| | I've got a few more things to put on there so no rush | 12:55.26 |
| | need to update the doc examples etc | 12:55.34 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: http://ghostscript.com/~robin/changes.txt | 13:42.38 |
| | Can you see anything I missed? | 13:42.45 |
| | In particular, did I spell sebras name right? :) | 13:46.42 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: looks good. spelled correctly too :) | 13:54.49 |
| Robin_Watts | All your reviews look great. | 14:02.32 |
| | There are 3 reviews on mine that I think should go to master. | 14:07.55 |
| | the changes file, the new reflow icons, and the tinting of the reflow icon. | 14:08.24 |
| | tor8: Anything else needs doing? a news release? | 14:11.39 |
| tor8 | news update on the web and tarballs on google code | 14:12.51 |
| | and setting the tag. | 14:13.00 |
| | maybe a release candidate or do we feel good? | 14:13.21 |
| | s/good/lucky/ :) | 14:13.27 |
| Robin_Watts | An rc wouldn't hurt. Not sure that we have enough people that instantly download and try it to make it worthwhile though... | 14:13.51 |
| | Perhaps we should tag the rc, then build for all platforms, and if it works, tag the release :) | 14:14.13 |
| | Or we should rc and then wait a week. | 14:14.46 |
| tor8 | those three should go in, yes | 14:15.55 |
| Robin_Watts | Shall I push them then? | 14:16.18 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: rc, wait a week, if we haven't spotted anything by then just rename the tag and call it a day | 14:16.33 |
| Robin_Watts | Ok. I've pushed. | 14:16.47 |
| tor8 | go ahead and push :) | 14:16.50 |
| Robin_Watts | So I'll let you tag. | 14:16.55 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: thanks. I may do one more commit to automate making release tarballs. | 14:18.49 |
| Robin_Watts | ok. | 14:19.11 |
| | I'll scribble a news release. | 14:19.32 |
| | http://ghostscript.com/~robin/news.txt <- For the news page of mupdf.com | 14:59.35 |
| | http://ghostscript.com/~robin/release.txt <- For Miles to put up as a press release | 14:59.55 |
| henrys | tor8 and mupdf'ers : have you thought at all about getting reflow to work on iOS? | 15:01.53 |
| Robin_Watts | henrys: Not for this release :) | 15:02.10 |
| tor8 | henrys: no. I don't ever want to touch the ios app ever again... | 15:02.19 |
| henrys | oh you can't whip that up by tomorrow | 15:02.25 |
| | ? | 15:02.26 |
| Robin_Watts | Android is very nice in the way that it has Views and Adapters etc, and you can plug stuff together. | 15:04.27 |
| henrys | It might give somebody a reason to use our pdf on iOS, there really is no compelling reason not to use apple preview but with reflow ... | 15:04.39 |
| Robin_Watts | I think ios is less forgiving. I'm not sure that we could easily have a nicely pannable set of webviews on iOS without a lot more work. | 15:05.05 |
| tor8 | I'm sure it's easy enough to do, but I'd have to survive an anaphylactic shock from my Apple allergy first... | 15:05.18 |
| | and the webviews may not be as easily embeddable on iOS, but I just don't know | 15:05.39 |
| | it'd make more sense to add hyperlink following to the ios app first... | 15:06.20 |
| | henrys: the only reason people use mupdf on ios is to view xps files | 15:06.41 |
| henrys | tor8:and reflow ;-) | 15:06.53 |
| | I thought reflow would be another "distinguishing" feature ⦠hyperlinks will not cause folks to switch from preview | 15:09.08 |
| tor8 | hyperlinks may be a reason to switch away from mupdf | 15:09.36 |
| | no hyperlinks, that is | 15:09.44 |
| | but yes, reflow would be nice to have but I really really HATE fucking apple development. it just keeps getting worse and worse... | 15:10.07 |
| | (pardon the french, but it really agitates me) | 15:10.42 |
| henrys | that's true, but I was thinking of how we can get folks to download the app not keeping them happy when they are using it ;-) | 15:10.51 |
| | anyway not something we have to decide about now but maybe an agenda item. | 15:12.06 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: So, do you need anything else from me for this release? Or shall I go back to banging my head against the reflow wall? | 15:12.16 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: I've uploaded a source archive here http://mupdf.com/download/archive/mupdf-1.2-source.zip with the RC sources. I'll make binaries for windows soon. you can go back to banging your head. | 15:13.43 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts:hey I just noticed you can export garmin data to gpx and edit the xml - how long has that been around? very useful for me. | 15:39.56 |
| | or I edited the tcx data actually anyway both just xml | 15:40.47 |
| Robin_Watts | henrys: I've always used TCX files. | 15:42.05 |
| | When my watch screws up and loses a run, I download an old one, edit the dates in the TCX and reupload it. | 15:42.26 |
| | There is an excellent piece of software... sportstracker maybe? .. that lets you edit things. | 15:43.05 |
| henrys | I never bothered to dig into it. very nice. I alway drive to a run someplace and leave the garmin on when I drive back, which gives me world record runs but not what I want to record. | 15:43.57 |
| | last I looked there was no sports tracker for mac but I keep an eye out. | 15:44.43 |
| Robin_Watts | http://www.zonefivesoftware.com/sporttracks/ | 15:44.59 |
| | henrys: ah :) | 15:45.12 |
| | tor8: Just a thought... windows binaries should be built with VS2005. | 16:30.40 |
| | If you don't have that, I'll build them. | 16:30.52 |
| | VS2008 built binaries will not work on anything pre-Windows 2000. | 16:34.45 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: I have that now, thanks to chris | 16:34.46 |
| Broos | i am relatively new to ghostscript and started to use high level api. I want SimpleRenderer to only render a single image of a PDF file (irrespective of number of pages. Is there a way to do this? | 16:35.16 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: Fab. | 16:35.25 |
| Broos | I have done a quick scan for an answer but not quite sure what i am looking for :-) | 16:38.58 |
| Robin_Watts | What is SimpleRenderer ? | 16:39.09 |
| henrys | Broos:I would start with the gdevtrac.c devices (tr_mono, tr_rgb etc) if you run a pdf file with that device your image data will come out the image routines in the device (trace_begin_typed_image etc.) and presumably you can do something with that data | 16:39.11 |
| Robin_Watts | Broos: are you saying that you only want the first page to be processed? | 16:39.48 |
| | If so, use "-dLastPage=1" | 16:39.59 |
| Broos | Robin_Watts: yes | 16:40.12 |
| henrys | oh never mind what I said I thought you wanted to extract PDF images | 16:40.27 |
| Robin_Watts | Are you wanting to get a page 1 thumbnail by any chance? | 16:40.46 |
| Broos | Robin_Watts: yes, and to answer your other question - SimpleRenderer is a highlevel java packaging to render a PDF to images (but there doesn't seem to be too much control) | 16:41.55 |
| | henrys: np, thx anyways | 16:42.14 |
| Robin_Watts | Broos: Fair enough. | 16:42.21 |
| | Me, personally, I'd use mudraw rather than gs, but I don't know the background of your project. | 16:42.55 |
| henrys | oh your using ghost4j | 16:43.37 |
| | ? | 16:43.41 |
| Broos | henrys: yes | 16:44.02 |
| henrys | I see that come up on the ghostscript stack overflow forum you may find commiseration with fellow users there | 16:44.57 |
| Broos | henrys: thx, will have to dig into the real api to get more control | 16:46.54 |
| henrys | but I do agree with Robin_Watts mupdf might be easier. | 16:48.28 |
| Broos | henrys: i will check it out as well | 16:48.54 |
| kens | Heading off, goodnight all | 16:49.05 |
| Robin_Watts | New shiny macbook pros with retina display. | 19:16.14 |
| | Spec up a shiny one on the US site, $3507 (== 2256 pounds). Same one on the UK site = £2869. 600 quid difference. That's over 20%. | 19:17.04 |
| | And when the battery dies you have to pay them $199 to replace it. | 19:17.32 |
| | I'd have a real problem deciding what to replace my macbook with if it died, cos I really don't want to buy apple again on these terms. | 19:18.42 |
| | And I don't want windows 8 really. | 19:19.28 |
| | How fast is vmware on linux ? | 19:19.58 |
| sebras | Robin_Watts: or virtualbox...? | 19:34.30 |
| Robin_Watts | vmware by preference. | 19:35.18 |
| henrys | I heard the Aussie govt is going after adobe, apple and others for price gouging maybe the uk will too | 19:53.52 |
| Robin_Watts | Apple would probably claim that it's because we get longer warranties over here. | 20:04.25 |
| | but then I like to think that any responsible company wouldn't design computers that will fail within 3 years anyway. | 20:04.51 |
| henrys | why not windows 8? You are going to have to switch at home eventually too right? | 20:08.18 |
| Robin_Watts | henrys: Generally MS get it right every other iteration of windows. | 20:09.19 |
| | So hopefully 9 will be OK :) | 20:09.27 |
| henrys | good point | 20:09.34 |
| sebras | Robin_Watts: so if star trek's directors/screenplay writers started at MS then every release would be ok..? | 20:10.30 |
| Robin_Watts | sebras: Depends whether their phases cancelled out or reinforced :) | 20:19.31 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: the asus zenbook ux32 series is pretty nice | 20:23.38 |
| | 13" display with 1920x1080 pixels | 20:23.56 |
| sebras | Robin_Watts: ST's even ones are better than their odd, so I think it evens out... | 20:26.16 |
| henrys | tor8:I was just looking at the 15" asus - nice | 20:27.02 |
| sebras | tor8: looks a bit like air... | 20:27.44 |
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