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ray_laptop I pushed my saved pages branch stuff to http://git.ghostscript.com/?p=user/ray/ghostpdl.git;a=summary01:41.18 
  I emailed a request to tech to ask folks to look it over. This is for cust 801, primarily to satisfy their need for reverse order page printing (face up printing, they call it)01:42.16 
  but I added some other halfway useful other stuff as well01:42.36 
  please review and comment01:42.57 
  I mentioned it to cust 532, and they are also interested in both reverse order printing and printing collated copies from the (relatively compact) clist01:44.23 
  now they (532) spool compressed raster files to the disk, or re-parse and print the job01:45.06 
  for reverse order, they go from the PDF (since they don't use our PS), but that is somewhat cumbersome to have to do it from a PS program (using runpdfbegin and dopdfpages)01:46.40 
  whereas saved pages works with ANY iinput (PCL, PS, PDF or XPS)01:48.04 
Robbes good morning05:59.06 
ray_laptop Robbes: good morning. It's 11pm here on Pacific Daylight TImezone. Where are you ?06:18.23 
ray_laptop guesses Europe06:18.45 
  but still quite early for the UK06:19.14 
Robbes yes europe, Netherlands06:25.28 
  we have GMT+106:25.43 
ray_laptop Robbes: welcome to the gs and mupdf chat, then.06:46.32 
  I haven't noticed you here before06:46.44 
  Robbes: are you just browsing, are did you have something to chat about ?06:47.30 
Robbes rayjj: are you the same ray_laptop? 10:52.25 
  i've been playing around with gs on windows.10:52.37 
kens2 He is, and he's not here atm10:52.43 
Robbes I do indeed have one more question10:52.47 
  ok10:52.53 
kens2 ask anyway, it'll get logged10:53.02 
Robbes hi kens2, thank you for you mail yerstarday10:53.03 
kens2 Ray is based in Los Angeles10:53.22 
  So its pretty early in his morning10:53.36 
Robbes i was wondering,... if incomming PDF1.7 get's reformed into a new PDF 1.4, and the output can be conformed as PDF/A-2b, then.. didnt you loose features from PDF1.4+ ?10:54.00 
  ah, i understand10:54.10 
kens2 thE pdf IS A BRAND-NEW pdf, AND THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH IN TEH WAY OF MARKING OPERATIOSN THAT YOU CAN REPRESENT IN 1.7 THAT YOU CAN'T DO IN 1.410:54.36 
  oops, sorry caps lock10:54.48 
Robbes ;)10:54.50 
kens2 there are extra compression types10:54.55 
Robbes ah, so what you are saying: 1.5, 1.6 1.7 only add some compression, no other functionals?10:55.21 
kens2 extra security options, additional interactive features, etc10:55.44 
  But not really any changes to the graphics model10:55.53 
Robbes not like additional annotations, PAdES signature, transparrency, and maybe others?10:55.59 
kens2 Since pdfwrite only aims to reproduce the *appearance* we don't need to support those10:56.13 
Robbes ah, check.10:56.18 
kens2 transparency is in 1.410:56.18 
Robbes Oke, thank you. I know all i need to know :)10:56.45 
kens2 You're welcome10:56.51 
Robbes ah, but then it might be a good addition to alter documentation, for axample add that only PDF/A-1b en -2b are possible to create, and maybe add the b into the cmdline switch10:57.51 
kens2 I thikn we document that we only support 'b' conformance10:58.27 
  And I'd prefer not to change the swicth as it breaks people usage10:58.53 
Robbes Ok. Thanks again and cu maybe later ~10:59.37 
kens2 NP bb10:59.42 
marcosw_ henrys et.al.: I have a doctors appointment this morning and may miss the 9:00 meeting; if that happens I'll read the logs. The only thing I had for the meeting was asking tor7 about the seg faults in gxps from the new regression files that Robin_Watts checked in. In particular if I should disable the files pending fixes.14:42.49 
tor7 marcosw_: I have seen the reports, but not spent any time looking at the files or fixes yet.14:43.19 
henrys tor7:if you are not going to get to them soon make them bountiable shelly might look at them.14:46.44 
tor7 henrys: okay.14:47.05 
  I'll take a quick look at them tomorrow then.14:47.28 
henrys meeting time15:00.51 
paulgardiner Right. Who's going first?15:01.53 
henrys mvrhel_laptop: windows apps? how far along are each?15:02.08 
  I'm looking at the agenda15:02.21 
  paulgardiner: did you have something in particular?15:03.11 
paulgardiner Yes - a problem I've run into with apearance streams for signature form fields, but no hurry15:03.55 
henrys tor7:hows opengl?15:06.16 
tor7 henrys: no real news to report. I mentioned I got the nvidia path rendering working, right?15:06.50 
henrys tor7:yes what is the next step?15:07.06 
tor7 my brain is melting in this heat, so progress is slow.15:07.20 
  next up is text rendering, I think.15:07.37 
  or a more general non-nvidia approach to path rendering, based on trapezoids15:08.00 
henrys hot where you are?15:08.02 
tor7 hot for where I am, not hot by US standards :)15:08.21 
mvrhel_laptop sorry I am late15:08.27 
henrys tor7:I just looked I don't turn AC on that for that.15:09.00 
mvrhel_laptop henrys: I had hit a snag in the windows phone last week, but figured out my issue yesterday. hoping to wrap up most of the windows phone features this week15:09.03 
paulgardiner Agenda?! I think I'm looking at the wrong thing.15:09.09 
mvrhel_laptop I want to get going on mupdf icc stuff after this15:09.28 
henrys paulgardiner: I think Robin created a link from the dashboard .15:09.43 
tor7 henrys: it's the threat of thunder hanging in the air. and high humidity.15:09.50 
paulgardiner Ah okay. That is what I was looking at. :-)15:10.16 
henrys paulgardiner: we did want to have signatures for Chicago so if you're stuck say something.15:12.01 
  tor7:did you read about distance fields? worthwhile read for the rest of us?15:12.45 
tor7 henrys: it's an interesting algorithm that I want to try using. it's interesting enough on its own that it may be worth reading just for the sake of it.15:13.31 
henrys mvrhel_laptop: the phone was the first of the windows apps on the agenda right? not to be confused with windows mobile, which is the surface.15:13.58 
  do I have that right?15:14.03 
paulgardiner I'm now able to create appearance streams matching those produced by Adobe Reader, but they include a logo, and it was only when I produced it myself (initially in black on white, rather than the usual light tint on white) that I noticed the logo includes a circle with and R in the middle. So I'm thinking we cant use it.15:14.42 
henrys tor7:I am also wondering about the svg reader? I wonder if zeniko would be interested in working on something a bit larger on a consulting basis?15:15.26 
  paulgardiner: confused where is this logo coming from?15:16.56 
paulgardiner I took an existing appearance stream, as produced by Adobe Reader and edited it into mupdf path calls.15:17.47 
henrys all if you go to the regression dashboard and click on "work items" upper right under PCL it will go to the agenda.15:18.05 
paulgardiner The logo part that is15:18.06 
mvrhel_laptop henrys: we had the windows 8 app which I finished and is in the store, then the phone (mobile) app which I should have wrapped up shortly, then we have the desktop app which is going to be the replacement for gsview15:19.40 
henrys paulgardiner: I guess I don't understand why it wouldn't be easy to remove the logo15:19.49 
paulgardiner Yeah. We can just not create it, but then it doesn't look like a typical signed PDF15:20.30 
  ... although Adobe Reader can be configured to not include the logo, so it would be acceptable.15:21.14 
henrys paulgardiner: probably being my broken record self but what does foxit do?15:21.23 
paulgardiner Good thought15:21.43 
henrys mvrhel_laptop: okay I did have 2 of them mixed up.15:21.55 
  mvrhel_laptop: icc sort of lost steam with ubuntu using poppler - I'd lean toward the desktop app as being more important, what do you and others think?15:22.57 
  everyone ^^^15:23.04 
mvrhel_laptop henrys: yes, I agree 15:23.50 
  I think we need to get the desktop app done and I am in a windows api frame of mind these days15:24.13 
henrys mvrhel_laptop: sounds right to me.15:24.31 
  mvrhel_laptop: I would like to get paulgardiner android stuff on the desktop app does it make sense for you you guys to work on a branch together or is it best for you to just pull and port from the android build?15:25.48 
  I'm thinking for forms, signatures etc?15:26.01 
mvrhel_laptop henrys: it makes sense for me to just pull from what he has done. he is so far ahead in that area15:26.29 
henrys tor7:are you good with the priorities, do you see a pull for color management in mupdf?15:26.40 
  mvrhel_laptop: okay15:26.48 
  I guess that is good enough for the mupdf meeting, but I'll be around.15:28.27 
paulgardiner henrys: so far I'm failing to get foxit to sign the document. Are we sure it supports signing and not just checking?15:29.38 
henrys paulgardiner: hmm not sure.15:30.27 
paulgardiner It is displaying a pen icon in the filed, inviting me to do something, but I'm not sure what.15:30.55 
henrys from what I'm reading you need the sdk15:32.08 
paulgardiner henrys: I have to admit, it is now getting tight for Chicago. Possible if all that remains to do goes smoothly, but not if I hit a hiccup15:32.13 
  henrys: I have to work out how to make openssl do pkcs7 signing, which I'm working on, and possibly close to doing.15:33.07 
henrys paulgardiner: like any other software schedule.15:33.15 
paulgardiner I guess.15:33.48 
henrys paulgardiner: don't worry about it, if it were urgent we'd put more people on it and slow it down more ;-)15:34.50 
paulgardiner On the logo issue, we could possibly have our own mupdf-specific one: Adobe have several quite different ones they use. Just to have some sort of logo makes it look more signaturey15:35.01 
  henrys: Like it :-)15:35.14 
  It's in that nice stage of feeling like it's winding up, but there is still about four tasks15:35.58 
  Also, I should mention, I'm looking initially at just signing already existing forms with already existing unsigned signature fields, rather than support everything that can be done with signing.15:37.05 
  ... not that the rest is necessarily a lot of work after that - just haven't gotten to thinking that all through15:37.47 
henrys paulgardiner: use ghosty15:39.59 
  or the mupdf.com logo in the upper left.15:40.27 
  I'm not particularly crazy about that but that's what we have...15:40.54 
  it's better than the Artifex one which seems to suggest we can't draw a straight line ;-)15:42.04 
paulgardiner Yes, either sound good to me. I'd need to make them a lighter color so that black text can be clearly seen over them, and I'd need to get them in the form of mupdf path calls.15:43.08 
  I guess I'll worry about it when the other tasks are complete, because no logo is also a possibility15:43.40 
henrys paulgardiner: right15:43.50 
paulgardiner henrys: is support for pdf signing in the windows app any use for Chicago? - because I'm likely to get there first before Android.15:51.20 
  I mean the old windows app, not mvrhel_laptop's15:51.42 
henrys I think we are just showing mobile devices at the show15:52.20 
paulgardiner Okay15:52.49 
mvrhel_laptop is there anyway that I can get signing in the windows 8 app?15:54.34 
  realize that I know nothing about this though, but my point is what makes it easy in the desktop app paul?15:55.21 
chrisl_r61 mvrhel_laptop: wasn't there concern over porting openssl to WinRT?15:56.07 
paulgardiner mvrhel_laptop: easier in the desktop app because the debugging is easier and I have yet to try building openssl for android.15:56.31 
mvrhel_laptop we would not do openssl but use what ever native api support there is in windows for digital signatures15:56.38 
paulgardiner mvrhel_laptop: as soon as I have something running on the windows app, I'll let you know in case there is an easy route to W815:57.05 
mvrhel_laptop paulgardiner: ok sounds good.15:57.25 
paulgardiner If you see any native apis for pkcs7 let me know. openssl is all I've been able to find.15:58.16 
kens Ghostscript meeting ?16:01.04 
henrys yes ray_laptop had a commit for us to review, maybe all of us can take some time today and have a look. I do think it worthwhile16:01.49 
kens I looked at it, but its not really my field, so Ididn't have a lot to say16:02.15 
tor7 henrys: (sorry for the delay) I'm a few days away from having ghostsvg ported to mupdf (in the same incomplete state as ghostsvg was)16:02.22 
henrys tor7:that's encouraging16:02.43 
tor7 henrys: I see no strong pull for color management in mupdf, so feel free to drop it back on the background priority projects16:02.49 
  henrys: once I have that working, we could hand it off to zeniko or someone else. I think I'll still want to do the work on the text layout bits, seeing as they should be useful (in the long run) for the annotation creation that paul is doing16:03.38 
henrys I'm quite baffled by what customer 801 sent I can't figure out how it would work without a lot of changes. Has anyone else set up their system maybe windows is better.16:04.11 
  tor7:okay16:04.21 
tor7 henrys: sebras has been doing some work on getting inline form field editing working on the x11 viewer16:04.28 
ray_laptop henrys: I haven't -- I was leaving it to you, but I can try it with windoze16:04.48 
henrys ray_laptop:no big deal i'll write to them today.16:05.13 
kens mvrhel_laptop : did you have a chance to look at that CIEBasedDEFG oddity that I sent you before I went on holiday ?16:05.23 
henrys I do have it running and all but I had to make a lot of changes.16:05.33 
ray_laptop henrys: I think you should send them the output you got with data on the Blue plane16:05.52 
mvrhel_laptop kens: sorry, I did not, ray dropped a p1 bug in my lap at the end of the week plus I was off 1 day. I will take a look at it this week16:06.01 
kens mvrhel_laptop : OK thanks16:06.10 
sebras tor7: I intend to upload my WIP changes to sebras/forms eventually. but not today.16:06.21 
ray_laptop mvrhel_laptop: and I am beating my head against the wall on the P1 bug.16:06.23 
sebras needs to go.16:06.24 
mvrhel_laptop ray_laptop: speaking of which, did you figure out the issue16:06.26 
kens I'd like ot get back to the colour work now I caught up on the bugs marcos dropped on me16:06.27 
paulgardiner tor7: I didn't realise he was doing that. Always assumed it would be difficult to do that in a way that matches the eventual appearance stream16:06.38 
mvrhel_laptop ray_laptop: were you able to duplicate what I was seeing?16:06.48 
sebras paulgardiner: what do you mean matches?16:07.08 
  paulgardiner: I listen for keyboard presses and adjusts the text as desired and set the text of the widget. and do pdfapp_updatepage()...?16:07.37 
henrys kens:I was thinking the postscript/PDF group should take a quick look at the P1 bug assigned to me and waiting for Robin, just to make sure we understand the issue.16:07.40 
paulgardiner Looks identical... not that that is essential16:07.42 
  sebras: oh right. Nice one.16:07.57 
sebras I haven't drawn the caret or handled mousing yet though.16:07.58 
kens henrys which bug number ?16:08.04 
ray_laptop mvrhel_laptop: I am seeing the clip for the coordinates and for the image position way above where the clip box is. Is an SMask supposed to paint with the previous clip in effect ?16:08.29 
sebras paulgardiner: see it as a prototype. once I'm done we know more of what makes sense and what does not. ;)16:08.29 
henrys http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=69445116:08.32 
kens henrys I canlook at it I guess, I don't know that area of code well16:09.02 
ray_laptop henrys: that is cust 531's "squashed image with interpolation" issue ?16:09.08 
mvrhel_laptop ray_laptop: don't know. let me check the spec16:09.08 
paulgardiner sebras: I have some code as yet to be commited to golden that reworks my previous text layout efforts to work via the pdf device. Might be useful to you, possibly16:09.17 
kens ray_laptop : yes it is16:09.18 
ray_laptop henrys: is the image the correct size when you turn off interpolation ?16:09.22 
kens ray I'll try it16:09.44 
henrys ray_laptop: haven't looked.16:09.51 
ray_laptop kens: thanks16:09.51 
kens Oh, marcos hasn't attached the file, I'll dig it out of my m,ail archive16:10.07 
henrys chrisl: directory reorg? latest roadblock?16:10.38 
chrisl_r61 henrys: only that I hate nmake! It's progressing, bit by bit.16:11.10 
kens ray the customer syas that without -dDOINTERPOLATE it works correctly16:11.40 
chrisl_r61 henrys: I've got some issues with the rom file system to work out (for all builds) - at the moment the romfs always contains all files for all products16:12.00 
ray_laptop chrisl: I agree. nmake is a pain. The worst part is the way it differs in macro assignment (not lazy like "real" make)16:12.00 
mvrhel_laptop ray_laptop: I don't see any indication that the current clip would be ignored16:12.15 
  in the spec16:12.22 
chrisl_r61 ray_laptop: yes, although it's mainly that I'm just not used to nmake16:12.36 
marcosw hello all, I'm back.16:12.45 
chrisl_r61 And, of course, I have to use Windows for it!16:12.52 
ray_laptop mvrhel_laptop: the thing won't work, then. But Adobe makes it work :-/16:13.08 
chrisl_r61 marcosw: are we still on track to have the release branch test results on Friday?16:13.28 
marcosw chrisl_r61: yes, it's all going well.16:13.44 
chrisl_r61 Cheers16:13.56 
ray_laptop mvrhel_laptop: I am going to try zapping the clip to the BBox, instead of the clip in effect when we execute the SMask (when we do the fill with Gs7 in effect)16:14.20 
marcosw I'm on vacation for a week starting sunday, so the testing better be done by then.16:14.35 
mvrhel_laptop i was just thinking the same thing ray_laptop16:14.40 
chrisl_r61 marcosw: and you better not find any problems!16:14.51 
mvrhel_laptop ray_laptop page 234 seems to indicate the clipping path should be included16:15.32 
henrys URW would like to know if we are interested in Arabic and Hebrew additions to the font set. Have we had any requests?16:15.56 
mvrhel_laptop but that is the transparency group, not the softmask16:16.08 
marcosw henrys: I'm thinking of adding another cluster machine, to get us back to the 20 nodes we had with Alex's machines. Any thoughts?16:16.22 
mvrhel_laptop perhaps, since a soft mask is considered as a soft-clipping object, the clipping path is ignored16:16.39 
chrisl_r61 henrys: for the GPL or the 136 set? I'm not aware of any requests, though16:16.48 
henrys marcosw: miles' office16:16.50 
  ?16:16.50 
kens ray I wonder if the problem is that we are outputting to 1 bpp, if I run to the display device with -dDOINTERPOLATE then the output is OK. The resolution seems to make no difference, 100 dpi has hte same result. I think the interpolation code doesn't expect to begoing to a 1bpp device.16:16.54 
kens is assuming tiffpack is 1bpp....16:17.10 
henrys URW will not make anything GPL again I'm afraid.16:17.10 
mvrhel_laptop henrys: I have to head out a little early. have to run son to another day of computer camp. beautiful weather here, not the the best week for computer camp....16:17.40 
henrys mvrhel_laptop: no problem.16:17.59 
chrisl_r61 henrys: I definitely haven't seen any customer requests for extra languages - I'm not even sure if any customers are using the 136 PS fonts16:18.09 
marcosw henrys: probably, though I may buy another dell poweredge server in which case it will have to live in my garage (they are too noisy for an office). The price has gone down and they are silly fast.16:18.22 
henrys marcosw: I was thinking of replacing henrysx6 with something more powerful would that be better than another machine?16:18.45 
chrisl_r61 henrys: But then, I haven't been around for *that* long....... customer(s) may have asked before I joined16:18.55 
henrys I don't know how antiquated henrysx6 has become.16:18.57 
kens ray_laptop : henrys the problem with the image is the device. Using the display device or tiff24nc there is no problem with the output. I assume that tiffpack is 1bpp and I'm guessing this must be the problem somehow16:19.27 
henrys chrisl_r61: I did have PCL requests ages ago ...16:19.34 
chrisl_r61 henrys: well, that's a different font set. I thought PCL was pretty clear on the character sets to support?16:20.36 
ray_laptop kens: hmm... interpolation for < 4 bits/per is handled differently16:21.05 
kens henrys ray_laptop the tiffg4 device behaves just like tiffpack16:21.12 
  ray_laptop : I said I didn't know the code well :-)16:21.57 
ray_laptop marcosw: I still haven't bought one, but I think I will.16:22.01 
henrys ray_laptop, kens:anyway we've already told the customer it will wait for Robin I just though we should give it a quick look.16:22.08 
kens OK16:22.14 
ray_laptop kens: that is to be expected that g4 and pack (and probably pbmraw) all behave alike16:22.28 
kens ray_laptop : yes, just wanted confirmation16:22.38 
  with a different device16:22.43 
ray_laptop kens: is it OK with -dNOINTERPOLATE to 1bpp device ?16:23.18 
kens ray_laptop : yes16:23.47 
marcosw henrys: there seems to have been a problem with moore's law. I replaced my 3 year old i7 with a new computer, a hex core i7 @ 3.4 GHz, it cost $1500 for the cpu/memory/motherboard/case/powersupply and is only slightly faster (my old i7 is running on the cluster as hubbles, the new one is called i7). The short answer is that it's probably not worth replacing henrysx6.16:23.48 
henrys 5 minutes left anybody want to raise stuff - the dashboard has a link called "Work Items" that points to the "todo" list.16:23.49 
  marcosw: okay16:24.23 
chrisl_r61 henrys: I haven't heard anything back from Norbert16:24.30 
marcosw ray_laptop: the price from theserverstore on eBay is down to $409, that's for a dual Xeon system @ 2.8GHz16:24.32 
kens ray_laptop : I oculd look at the code, but I'm not sure I'd make any progress before Robin gets back anyway16:24.38 
ray_laptop marcosw: OK. That does sound pretty good. That's w/o a hard drive, right ?16:25.21 
henrys marcosw: how do the xeon system's compare with i7's?16:26.12 
ray_laptop kens: OK. I may have a look if I need a break from cust 532's bug16:26.29 
kens :-)16:26.35 
marcosw yes, but you use any >250 gig sata drive. I'm running my nodes with a cheap maxtor and a cheap seagate and both keep the cpu's 100% busy (probably wouldn't if we were writing bitmaps, but since the cluster jobs pipe to md5sum it's not using much disk bandwidth).16:27.17 
ray_laptop the powerdge has LOTS of ram, so that helps with tmp, right ?16:27.55 
marcosw ray_laptop: I just let Linux deal with caching, it seems to do a good job (I've tried running tmp in memory in the past and didn't see much improvement over having it on a drive).16:28.59 
ray_laptop I don't know how good linux is with using RAM to automatically buffer /tmp files16:29.17 
marcosw ray_laptop: like I said, the cpus are 95-100% busy when running a cluster job, so the answer is "good enough"16:30.15 
ray_laptop marcosw: I suspect it is pretty good, which is why the (sort of) slow hard drives don't help that much. Also the clist is designed to keep the disk from thrashing16:30.26 
henrys adjourned - I'll be around for a while thought16:30.54 
  s/thought/though16:31.00 
ray_laptop henrys: OK.16:31.01 
henrys marcosw: where are the new macbook pros? it's been quite a while now.16:31.57 
ray_laptop reminder to all to have a look at my commit to http://git.ghostscript.com/?p=user/ray/ghostpdl.git;a=summary for the --saved-pages changes16:32.15 
  (see the top of the logs)16:32.26 
marcosw henrys: they have 8 cores at 2.8GHz but with hyperthreading can run 16 threads. That's makes them nearly as fast as my 6 core i7 system which I have water cooled and overclocked to 4.3 GHz. At $409 (plus $75 for a drive) they can't be beat in terms of dollars/cluster job. If they only weren't so damn noisy.16:33.34 
chrisl_r61 ray_laptop: I take it that's a not quite ready to push commit?16:33.56 
marcosw henrys: I don't know when the macpro is going to be released, but it will be $3000+ for a reasonable configuration.16:34.16 
ray_laptop chrisl: well, I wanted some review and particularly comments on the questions I put in my email16:34.31 
chrisl_r61 ray_laptop: I just stumbled on the "#if 000000" in gsdparam.c, that's the only reason I ask16:35.12 
ray_laptop chrisl: I'd like to make sure that we all consider how we want it to work so we don't change it after pushing it, but before16:35.20 
marcosw the new macpro will be great machine for video editing/photoshop/etc but as a cluster node much of it's capabilities is wasted16:35.36 
ray_laptop chrisl: oops. Thanks. I'll fix that.16:35.37 
marcosw wonders what it would cost to rent rack space at a colo. he.net is 2 miles from my house...16:37.03 
henrys marcosw: the trashcan?16:37.05 
marcosw henrys: yeah, is that what we are calling it? :-)16:37.21 
henrys chrisl_r61: probably not unreasonable to get an ack from norbert.16:38.24 
ray_laptop chrisl: OK, I've fixed that to always IGNORE_INT_PARAM for PageCount, with the comment from the #if 00000 right above it16:38.31 
chrisl_r61 ray_laptop: thanks16:38.52 
  henrys: I'll give it a day or so, and ping him16:39.08 
marcosw henrys: can I currently log into henrysx6? I have a spreadsheet of all of the cluster nodes that I maintain and might as well had your nodes (and peeves). If I can log in I can get the speed/memory/drive info/etc.16:39.21 
ray_laptop that's why we do reviews :-) I will also look over the diffs to see if I left anything else laying around in there16:39.36 
henrys marcosw: yeah it's 192.168..1.103 16:40.31 
ray_laptop marcosw: and you should be able to get into peeves 16:40.51 
chrisl_r61 ray_laptop: I'll look over it again and read the documentation properly tomorrow morning - I've got a slight headache just now, so not concentrating too well.....16:41.29 
ray_laptop once I get a new server added, then I can take the plunge and upgrade the Ubuntu on peeves16:41.45 
  chrisl: OK. Thanks.16:41.55 
marcosw henrys: thanks.16:42.48 
kens OK I'm off for tonight, goodnight all16:44.45 
henrys marcosw: I thought you could buy soundproof casing that was somewhat effective16:45.08 
marcosw uh oh, all of Miles' cluster nodes just fell over.16:45.35 
chrisl_r61 henrys: silent cabinets are *very* expensive, in my experience......16:46.14 
marcosw except for points, which is on a UPS (along with the cable modem and router).16:46.19 
  which is why bugs.ghostscript.com is still up :-) otoh, the ups only has about an hour of battery life, and we've been down for 25 minutes. 16:47.14 
henrys chrisl_r61: silent yes but you can bring it does a few db's with something cheap I believe.16:49.45 
chrisl_r61 henrys: the problem with any kind of sound proofing/deadening is heat management - most sound insulation is also rather effective heat insulation.16:50.37 
marcosw everything is coming back up, odd I don't see any power failure messages from the UPS in the logs.16:51.16 
chrisl_r61 Power surge?16:52.58 
henrys bbiaw16:53.28 
marcosw chrisl_r61: perhaps, though I think there still should have been a log message. I guess I should read the documentation (I only tested the UPS by unplugging it, at which point it beeped and generated a bunch of log entries).16:54.26 
ray_laptop the best way to soundproof (IMHO) is to use "water" cooling for the case and CPU and then put the radiator somewhere else. The noise from modern disk drives is minimal16:55.42 
chrisl_r61 marcosw: I've had mains anomalies in the past (none recently - touch wood!) which would cause one or two machines to shutdown/reboot, but others carried on regardless.....16:56.06 
ray_laptop mvrhel_laptop: when you get back, please call.16:56.41 
marcosw forget to install the apcupsd software on the server (I installed it on the machine I tested the UPS on but not on the server in Miles' office). That explains the lack of log messages.16:59.21 
  chrisl_r61: I think you may have been right, I've installed the UPS software and its internal log says the last issue was "Low line voltage"17:04.43 
chrisl_r61 marcosw: at least you know it's working well.....17:12.00 
marcosw is surprised at some of the colo deals, I can get 4U with $50/month. I would think the power cost is more than that...17:15.04 
mvrhel_laptop ok I am back17:20.36 
ray_laptop henrys: I just plowed through my email. Can you help on the questions from cust 801 (they all seem to be PCL related)?17:42.52 
  henrys: I've got the P1 bug from 531 (that I just made a discovery on), then the P1 from 532 to look at.17:43.34 
  mvrhel_laptop: As we discussed on the phone, I discovered that the cust 531 file works if I eliminate the clip in the parent group. Then the SMask is rendered as expected (unclipped). So I am going to set the default clip when rendering an SMask to the BBox, ignoring any outer clip, and restore the clipping when popping the mask.17:49.11 
  errand. bbiaw17:49.35 
mvrhel_laptop ray_laptop: sounds good. let me know when you do a clusterpush17:49.38 
  hi robin_watts_fone18:21.34 
  off to lunch bbiab18:21.44 
henrys robin_watts_fone: no wifi?18:29.03 
robin_watts_fone hi.18:36.13 
  rhino trekking tomorrow.18:36.30 
  no laptop with me. in cabin. potential for lions between here and cabin.18:37.09 
henrys robin_watts_fone: sounds exciting, hope you see a lot of stuff.18:40.41 
  bbiab18:43.11 
robin_watts_fone me too. just not lions too close :)18:43.28 
  night all.18:50.56 
marcosw anyone have any thoughts on this generic error:19:02.09 
  Processing pages 1 through 1.19:02.11 
  Page 119:02.12 
  **** ERROR ****19:02.12 
  The PDF interpreter encountered an error, this file cannot be processed.19:02.12 
  this is with gs master and going from pdf -> pxlcolor. It only happens on some of the cluster nodes. There is no other information (i.e. no usual PostScript stack).19:03.23 
henrys marcosw:is it repeatable on a particular node?19:40.56 
mvrhel_laptop ok raspberry pi just arrived19:42.10 
henrys marcosw:everyone should probably have ssh keys on each node and bugs can be reported against specific machines… then you could just report the bug and move on.19:42.43 
ray_laptop mvrhel_laptop: do you have an HDMI capable monitor, or are you going to hook it up to (one of) your home TV(s)19:50.54 
mvrhel_laptop ray_laptop: I have an hdmi monitor19:51.19 
ray_laptop cool. Mine is an OLD! monitor that only has VGA and DVI19:51.48 
  maybe I should upgrade :-)19:52.08 
  I took my laptop to the middle school for "career day", as I did last year, but since I upgraded laptop, this one only has HDMI out. The school is the last in the district being upgraded, so their projectors were all VGA only (which my old laptop had)19:54.01 
  but I don't know if that is part of their upgrade or not. I hope so!19:54.42 
  darn. Somehow, the image 'pcpath' is going back to the outer layer clip path, but I verified that the clip path was getting set correctly to the larger one of the SMask group BBox :-(19:59.16 
  time for data breakpoints19:59.23 
  oh. There is a 'setgstate' in '.execgroup'20:00.38 
sebras http://realbusinessatxerox.blogs.xerox.com/2013/08/06/always-listening-to-our-customers-clarification-on-scanning-issue/20:01.11 
mvrhel_laptop ray_laptop: I have a vga and hdmi monitor hooked up here to the same machine. I had the same problem you had when scott and I visited a customer20:01.21 
ray_laptop so I actually have to modify the clippath in the GroupGState as well, I bet20:01.22 
mvrhel_laptop my laptop also has mini port output 20:01.39 
  and I got a mini port to vga convertor20:01.49 
  which works well20:01.54 
  I guess it is called mini display port20:02.30 
  bbiaw20:02.45 
ray_laptop mvrhel_laptop: I see HDMI to VGA converters for $20-$40. I should probably get one20:03.17 
  scott should probably get one for his iPad20:04.54 
henrys ray_laptop:yes I'll field the pcl stuff.20:05.49 
ray_laptop scott would probably like this one: http://store.apple.com/us/product/H9139VC/A/kanex-atv-pro-hdmi-to-vga-adapter-with-audio-support20:06.22 
  wireless !20:06.29 
  henrys: thanks20:06.33 
  If you want me to respond to any part of it, just say so in the response, and I'll pick it up20:07.07 
teusje can anyone spot a mistake in here http://pastebin.com/qYU6eex1 if I rotate 15° it rotates a lot more :s20:20.36 
  https://skydrive.live.com/?mkt=nl-BE#cid=CB15F1A932B364BE&id=CB15F1A932B364BE%217339&v=320:20.43 
marcosw henrys: sorry, had to run out.20:28.52 
  it's happens on peeves:20:28.57 
  ~marcos/cluster/gs/bin/gs -o test.pxl -sDEVICE=pxlcolor -r300 -Z: -sDEFAULTPAPERSIZE=letter -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -dClusterJob -dJOBSERVER ~marcos/cluster/tests_private/comparefiles/Bug689581.pdf20:29.00 
  or simplified:20:30.04 
  ~marcos/cluster/gs/bin/gs -o test.pxl -sDEVICE=pxlcolor ~marcos/cluster/tests_private/comparefiles/Bug689581.pdf20:30.09 
henrys if I were you I'd assign it to whoever fixed 689581, who could be better qualified ;-)20:30.43 
  probably alex or somebody20:31.16 
marcosw henrys: yeah, I was mostly surprised (amused?) by the generic "**** ERROR ****" message and the lack of a PostScript stack trace. 20:31.44 
henrys yeah that's kind of weird -Z# can help if you can filter through the noise20:33.09 
marcosw and by the fact that it doesn't fail during the nightly regression run. 20:34.00 
  ahh, there is the problem, it does fail during the nightly regression run, but doesn't return an error code so isn't flag as an error. I'm a bit surprised the cluster code detects this as an error, as I recall it uses the same code to read the log files as the nightly/weekly regression tests.20:37.44 
henrys just got back from this local place here, it's just like the soup nazi on seinfeld. The owner is deaf and pissed off all the time it's always an adventure going there.21:01.39 
raven Hi all! Tell me how to release memory in mupdf? If you render a many pages, gradually exhausted heap. How to fix it?23:45.54 
marcosw_ figured out why the cluster reported errors that the nightly regression didn't see. piping to md5sum is different than using lzop -d | md5sum. sorted, so starting tomorrow there will be new errors reported by the nightly regression tests.23:55.41 
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