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| mvrhel_laptop | bbiaw | 00:17.27 |
| jhabjan | gmorning, does screen device in gs discards hidden layers ? | 03:31.05 |
| xxyyzz_ | test | 04:59.34 |
| chrisl | kens: if you build gs on Unix without the x11 libs available (or with --without-x) bbox is the default device. I build the binaries with --without-x as the x11 libs have historically been some of the worst offenders in breaking the ABIs (although I believe they are much better these days). | 06:55.59 |
| kens | The poster did update the bug report and said they were using x11alpha | 06:56.28 |
| | I'm puzzled as to why this device is using bbox as a forwarxding device (and the bug can only appear if its a forwarding device) | 06:56.53 |
| | NB when you use bbox on its own the problem doesn't occur (and the reporter confirmed that). And tehre is no error code when I run the PDF using bbox, so I'm even more puzzled. | 06:58.03 |
| | I'll try to look at it later, under Linux | 06:58.13 |
| | Possibly a good time to get the evaluation of the debugger Robin mentioned | 06:58.41 |
| chrisl | kens: it seems to be when we render to a buffer and then copy to the x11 pixmap buffer (rather than rendering directly to the x11 pixmap). Presumably we accumulate the bbox so we only copy the marked area from the gs buffer to the x11 pixmap...... I'm not sure what triggers that, though | 07:00.54 |
| kens | I htought it might be something like that, but who knows... | 07:01.16 |
| | To be honest, teh patch looks sane, I'd just like to understand the failure better | 07:01.36 |
| chrisl | I can take a look in a little while - save you braving the Unix world, if you like | 07:01.51 |
| kens | Well you're probably better equipped :-) | 07:02.06 |
| chrisl | Okay, I'll poke at it this afternoon | 07:02.42 |
| kens | Need to sort out mooscript too, I'mprobably going to have to put that down for a few days, so I'd lke to get my current code committed | 07:02.42 |
| chrisl | Okay, so you have your non-committed changes stashed? | 07:03.05 |
| kens | not quite yet, just a moment | 07:03.13 |
| chrisl | And no commits you haven't push to me | 07:03.37 |
| kens | No new commits at present | 07:03.46 |
| | OK stashed | 07:03.55 |
| | currently at 7f7c927 fall back and convert to RGB any images.... | 07:04.17 |
| chrisl | Okay, do a git log, and find the SHA of the first non-mooscript commit | 07:04.26 |
| kens | looks like 8033bc "Tweak xpsprint build" Jan 23rd | 07:05.16 |
| chrisl | Yep, that looks sane: now do "git reset --hard 8033bc" | 07:05.58 |
| kens | Hmm, but if I do git logg then I see origin/master Words about static linking the executable | 07:06.05 |
| | Oh OK | 07:06.09 |
| | OK done | 07:06.35 |
| chrisl | Now pull normally from mooscript on my repo | 07:06.51 |
| kens | so git pull --rebase chrisl ? | 07:07.02 |
| chrisl | git pull --rebase chrisl mooscript | 07:07.08 |
| kens | churning.... | 07:07.35 |
| chrisl | You probably get some "suppressed white-space error...." type warnings | 07:08.01 |
| kens | Nope. | 07:08.07 |
| | git log now sats c570c (by me) "Update the alpha handling and support Indexed spaces" | 07:08.33 |
| | non-mooscript seems to be may 9th "add an app independent custom memory manager for libjpeg" | 07:09.17 |
| | 89fca | 07:09.38 |
| chrisl | Yes, but I don't have "fall back and convert to RGB any images".... hmm | 07:09.46 |
| kens | Oh, maybe I didn't tell you about that one | 07:10.04 |
| chrisl | Okay, then "git cherry-pick 7f7c927" | 07:10.21 |
| kens | OK got that one | 07:10.47 |
| | Hmm it wa bigger than I thought | 07:10.58 |
| chrisl | bigger? | 07:11.12 |
| kens | more changes, 33 insertions, 21 deletions | 07:11.22 |
| | I thought it was a smaller change | 07:11.35 |
| chrisl | It might be because of how the cherry-pick merge happens | 07:12.01 |
| kens | GOod point | 07:12.10 |
| chrisl | You can double the commit contents if you like | 07:12.24 |
| kens | Double them how ? | 07:12.43 |
| chrisl | double check, I meant | 07:12.51 |
| kens | Ah :-) | 07:12.58 |
| | I expect its OK | 07:13.09 |
| | SO I can pop the stash now ? | 07:13.17 |
| chrisl | First, if you can do a git push -f to your repo | 07:13.36 |
| kens | OK | 07:13.41 |
| chrisl | for the mooscript branch, of course | 07:13.49 |
| kens | So git push -f mooscript should be OK, since it forwards to my repo ? | 07:14.06 |
| | actually I'll be explicit | 07:14.30 |
| chrisl | Er, I think that will push it to the central repo | 07:14.35 |
| kens | OK so git push -f kens mooscript then | 07:14.51 |
| chrisl | Yes, that's safer | 07:15.05 |
| kens | ok done | 07:15.19 |
| chrisl | kens: Okay, I've now got your extra commit, and pushed it to casper, too. You can stash pop, and have at it | 07:16.49 |
| kens | Hmm, I got a conflict message about win32/svg.vcproj deleted in updated upstream and modified in stashed changes (upgarded to VS 2008 project) | 07:17.09 |
| | Seems the stashed one is left in the tree, so that's OK | 07:17.41 |
| chrisl | Well, you can probably just delete it, because it shouldn't referenced any more | 07:18.08 |
| kens | Lets see what VS makes of it all :-) | 07:18.08 |
| | Indeed. | 07:18.18 |
| | Itdoesn't matter because I (obviously) don't commit the changed project files anyway | 07:18.40 |
| | ok the image code looks sensible, so all the commits seem to be there. | 07:19.20 |
| | I'm going to commit the shading code as it stands now so I don't accidentally lose it | 07:19.52 |
| | Wnat me to push it so you can look ? | 07:20.04 |
| chrisl | Well, it would be safer to push, even if I don't pull the commit to here | 07:20.56 |
| kens | OK I'll do it in a second, just reviewing the changes | 07:21.10 |
| | There's a comment I should add I'll do that first. | 07:21.25 |
| | and some tabs, need to fix those too | 07:21.46 |
| | Comes of copy/paste from the MuPDF sources | 07:21.56 |
| | OK changes pushed ot my repo | 07:30.44 |
| | chrisl ping | 08:03.53 |
| chrisl | kens: pong | 08:09.00 |
| kens | chrisl I can't build GS on Linux, keeps giving me an error "No rule to make target 'obj/svgwrite.dev', needed by 'obj/ld.tr' | 08:09.55 |
| | I did a ./configure and make clean before building | 08:10.09 |
| chrisl | Your configure script it out of date | 08:10.24 |
| kens | So I need to run autogen ? | 08:10.48 |
| chrisl | Yes | 08:11.03 |
| kens | OK thanks | 08:11.09 |
| chrisl | kens: I see a segfault with the file from 695227 | 08:15.02 |
| kens | THat's the x11alpha and bbox ? | 08:15.17 |
| chrisl | Yeh | 08:15.26 |
| kens | I'm mostly curious about the text error which precedes the seg fault | 08:15.31 |
| | Because I don't see that with other devices. | 08:15.44 |
| | Obviously if the creation of the enumerator (penum) fails, then the rc_assign isn't going to work..... | 08:16.04 |
| chrisl | It's coming from show_state_setup() | 08:17.13 |
| kens | Interesting. | 08:17.20 |
| | I nearly have a Linux debug build..... | 08:17.42 |
| chrisl | The matrix is haywire | 08:18.40 |
| kens | Ah, well that would probably do it. | 08:19.08 |
| | Might want to examine that in the PDF itnerpreter too. | 08:19.19 |
| | JKust telling the reporter with the pattern problem to make a simpler example file. | 08:20.14 |
| chrisl | So, it looks like we should just drop out of bbox_text_begin() when we get the error | 08:20.23 |
| kens | Indeed, and that's exactly what the supplied patch does. | 08:20.38 |
| chrisl | Oh, well that's not how I'd code it, but the intent is the same | 08:21.12 |
| kens | I was happy enough with that, but I didn't understand why/how we were ending up in the bbox device, nor why there was a fault. | 08:21.19 |
| chrisl | If you want me to look at the pdf interpreter, I'll do that this afternoon - does Acrobat open/display the file? | 08:21.56 |
| kens | Yes, the same as GS does when running on WIndows | 08:22.13 |
| | You get a green rectangle at the top of the page | 08:22.30 |
| | Hmm, it doesn't seg fault for me | 08:23.38 |
| | Oh, because I don't have X installed | 08:24.15 |
| chrisl | That'll not help..... | 08:24.26 |
| kens | Yeah its using the bbox device | 08:24.48 |
| chrisl | If I have bbox_text_begin() do: if (code >= 0 && bdev->target != NULL) { | 08:24.53 |
| kens | Which works of course | 08:24.54 |
| chrisl | It displays as you describe | 08:25.03 |
| kens | Yeah that was the change I was thinking of doing | 08:25.13 |
| | It works out the same of course | 08:25.26 |
| chrisl | So, it seems that if we avoid the segfault, propagate the error, then pdf interpreter makes its usual attempt to carry on, hence we get *something* displayed | 08:26.53 |
| kens | Indeed | 08:27.02 |
| | THe 'something' is bascially the same as Acrobat | 08:27.12 |
| chrisl | I'm happy with that change, I believe it is the right thing to do | 08:27.30 |
| kens | Yep, that suits me | 08:27.39 |
| | Like I said I could see from inspection why there was a problem, I just wanted to see how we ended up there (and we don't, on Windows, or indeed for me on Linux ;-) | 08:28.15 |
| chrisl | Well, unless you have the x11 devices...... | 08:28.41 |
| kens | Yeah, I hadn't realised the X11 devices used the bbox device, still seems daft | 08:29.01 |
| | Ah I see thre's a monstrous number in the text matrix | 08:30.23 |
| chrisl | Well, it saves copying large, unmarked areas of bitmap around - that doesn't like a bad idea | 08:30.27 |
| kens | Its a 39 digit number, I guess they insert it with no regard for the integrity of the PDF file, which is why the xref is broken. Of course, we should reject the file at that polint for being broken :-) | 08:31.54 |
| | OK you want to commit the change ? | 08:33.00 |
| chrisl | I'll do that later - I've got to go to squash now | 08:34.01 |
| | back in a couple of hours | 08:34.20 |
| kens | OK bye | 08:34.34 |
| GameScripting | can anyone tell me why only subsets of my font is embedded into the pdf (see http://666kb.com/i/coc8a95jbx8mxol6h.jpg) using pdfwrite and the dSubsetFonts=false parameter? | 09:01.43 |
| kens | Possibly you started with subset fonts ? | 09:02.04 |
| | Oh its TrueType, we alweays subset tt fonts | 09:02.24 |
| | Above a certain size, and a CID font is almost certainly above that size | 09:02.41 |
| Robin_Watts | reboot.brb. | 09:05.41 |
| GameScripting | could that be the cause I can't copy-paste any useful text informations from my pdf? People from aspose told me unicode mappings are missing http://www.aspose.com/community/forums/permalink/542001/542001/showthread.aspx#542044 | 09:06.38 |
| | in my resulting pdf | 09:06.50 |
| kens | Possibly. FOr a CIDFont you would need a ToUnicode CMap, which would have to be present in the original file. I can't say anything more without seeing the PDF file. | 09:07.30 |
| GameScripting | Is this the direct link to the pdf file? http://www.aspose.com/community/forums/538615/postattachment.aspx | 09:07.59 |
| | or do you have to login to view the attachment? | 09:08.23 |
| kens | No idea, I get access denied | 09:08.26 |
| GameScripting | this one should work: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=754AEF00C046FA03!5044&authkey=!AKDAbSQhTDZQEuw&ithint=file%2c.pdf | 09:11.14 |
| | what tool can i use to debug pdfs oin general, feeling kind of like lost with this problem ... | 09:12.13 |
| kens | You need something to decompress the PDF file (MuPDF works for this) and then a working knowledge of the PDF format | 09:12.39 |
| | THe PDF Reference Manual provides this, its only 1300 pages | 09:13.15 |
| | ANd yes I can see your PDF file. However it offers me no way to download it, so I can't say anythign about it | 09:13.41 |
| | OK Now I see a download button | 09:14.18 |
| GameScripting | great! :) | 09:14.28 |
| kens | You've sent me the Ghostscript output, I can make that myself (althoughj I would use up to date software), I can't tell you anythgin much from that, I need the original input file. | 09:15.12 |
| | All I cna say from that file is that it contains a subset re-encoded font, with no ToUnicode CMap, and so it is unsearchable. This also means copy/paste will give you unreliable results. | 09:17.50 |
| | Hmm, and the font in that file is Calibri, not Tahoma | 09:18.35 |
| | And its not a CIDFont | 09:18.47 |
| | So quite different from your earlier screenshot | 09:19.02 |
| | OK My turn to be off, back in a couple of hours. | 09:21.59 |
| GameScripting | @kens I've prepared the original files I have trouble with, however I don't want them to be publicy available in this irc chat. Please provide me your PGP key or e-mail, i'll send you an encrypted 7z archive containg the original files | 09:36.21 |
| tor8 | chrisl: ping. | 09:58.57 |
| | chrisl_away: or you still at squash? | 09:59.06 |
| chrisl | tor8: back now | 11:16.53 |
| tor8 | chrisl: so I was looking at the jmemcust stuff | 11:17.05 |
| chrisl | Yeh | 11:17.50 |
| tor8 | the one thing that could be a potential problem is where you stick the custm pointer in cinfo->client_data | 11:18.22 |
| | we already store the fz_dctd struct there | 11:19.00 |
| | for the I/O callbacks | 11:19.05 |
| chrisl | tor8: Okay, that's not going to be hard to resolve.... | 11:19.57 |
| | Although, I thought you always got the entire jpeg in a buffer..... | 11:20.35 |
| tor8 | and there are some issues with how you use the fz_try/catch macros, but that's easily fixed | 11:20.37 |
| chrisl | That's cause I no idea how it's supposed to work, and I copied it from elsewhere | 11:21.03 |
| tor8 | chrisl: only sometimes, when the image has been cached in a display list | 11:21.06 |
| | chrisl: the fz_try/catch stuff is just a fancy if (setjump) ... else ... set of macros | 11:22.13 |
| | which means using return or goto/break across the try/catch block borders is going to fail horribly | 11:22.39 |
| chrisl | Erm, I copied that from somewhere else...... | 11:23.05 |
| tor8 | return in the catch block is safe, *unless* the catch block is itself inside another try-block | 11:23.46 |
| | but in this case, you don't need to do any try/catch around the fz_jpeg_mem_init call at all | 11:24.25 |
| | it will throw, and that's okay | 11:24.38 |
| | anyway, the client_data stuff is what we need to resolve | 11:25.21 |
| chrisl | Okay. But I need to add separate handlers for load_jpeg.c then...... | 11:25.30 |
| tor8 | could stick the fz_dctd pointer inside the custmem struct, but then we get more nasty ifdef s | 11:26.55 |
| chrisl | That won't work in load-jpeg.c either | 11:27.28 |
| tor8 | it'll just be NULL in the load-jpeg file | 11:27.44 |
| | but the filter-dct can use it | 11:27.54 |
| | how does this work on the gs side? you must have some userdata pointer to the stream there as well | 11:28.21 |
| chrisl | No, gs uses the incremental API, since to retrieve data, we have to trickle back up to the interpreter loop | 11:29.05 |
| tor8 | right. | 11:29.24 |
| chrisl | It's not hard to resolve - it's a shame to have to pass the ctx, *and* something that contains the ctx..... | 11:29.57 |
| tor8 | yeah. | 11:31.40 |
| chrisl | I'll try to have another poke at it this afternoon, maybe tomorrow morning - I'm more concerned that you're happy with the general method that the details right now | 11:36.08 |
| tor8 | extend the custmem struct to have priv1 and priv2 (or privctx, privaux) or some such and I'll be happy | 11:36.49 |
| | and I'll ifdef extracting the fz_dctd from either the client_data or client_data->priv2 | 11:37.23 |
| chrisl | Leave it with me, I'll see about fixing the problems and tidying it up | 11:38.02 |
| tor8 | okay. | 11:38.15 |
| | there's also a spot in the error_exit function in load-jpeg that assumes cinfo->client_data is a fz_context | 11:38.57 |
| chrisl | Hmmm, not sure about filter-dct.c and load-jpeg.c having completely separate libjpeg callbacks etc, seems a bit.... hmmmm | 11:41.14 |
| tor8 | load-jpeg *only* reads the header | 11:45.28 |
| chrisl | I just think it would be preferable to have as much common as would be viable | 11:46.10 |
| | But it's not a big deal | 11:46.27 |
| tor8 | and it also works on a complete buffer outside the stream API (since it's only used for compressed images in the display list) | 11:46.50 |
| | yeah, it would be nice. but the libjpeg API is not very nice to work with :( | 11:47.09 |
| kens | GameScripting : You can mail me files to ken.sharp at artifex.com | 12:05.25 |
| GameScripting | ok, thanks for your efforts | 12:06.03 |
| kens | Good grief, 6 WIndows updates and a new version of Flash :-( | 12:06.39 |
| GameScripting | ok, mail send | 12:07.52 |
| kens | OK let me go check | 12:07.58 |
| GameScripting | toBeConverted.pdf ist the file create by some QT lib | 12:08.41 |
| kens | Oh, the regression reports are trickling in, this could take some time, especially with 50+ Mb of WIndows updates at he same teim. | 12:08.42 |
| GameScripting | pdfPrinted.ps is the postscript that is produced by the postscript driver (I am printig the toBeConverted.pdf from adobe reader) | 12:09.39 |
| | and conv.pdf ist the file rendered by ghostscript where the unicode mapping is missing | 12:09.58 |
| kens | Um, I@m a bit confused thre. Are you starting from PostScript ? I thought you were starting with a PDF file | 12:10.09 |
| GameScripting | pdffile -> printed on printer to ps -> to pdf using ghostscript | 12:10.35 |
| | the pdffile does include unicode mappings while the resulting pdf does not | 12:11.05 |
| kens | OK seriously confused now. How do you go from 'printed on paper' to PostScript ? | 12:11.17 |
| | And if you go PDF->PS->PDF then that's where your ToUnicode has gone AWOL | 12:11.36 |
| | There is no such information in PostScript | 12:11.50 |
| | OK mail just azrrived | 12:12.25 |
| GameScripting | well if I generate a pdf from MS Word -> print to ps -> pdf the mapping is still there | 12:12.27 |
| kens | Let me look at the files | 12:12.33 |
| | Word is a bit different, the MS drivers add a non-standard key to the font dictionary, and we use that to generate a ToUnicode CMAP | 12:13.06 |
| GameScripting | oh well ... | 12:14.12 |
| kens | Give me a minute, I just decompressed the files, need to look. | 12:14.30 |
| | So you start with toBeConvedrted.pdf, convert that to PostScript, then convert the PostScript to PDF ? | 12:14.51 |
| GameScripting | thats correct, yes | 12:15.38 |
| kens | Looks like the PostScript was produced from AN aDOBE APPLICATION | 12:15.40 |
| | Possibly Acrobat ? | 12:15.47 |
| GameScripting | yes adobe reader | 12:15.49 |
| kens | OK well I think that's where your problem arises. The font subsetting, re-encoding and loss of the ToUnicode is happening in the conversion to PostScript. WHy do you need to convert to PostScript ? | 12:16.31 |
| GameScripting | adobe reader --> ms postscript driver --> mfilemon port monitor --> ps-file --> gswin32c --> pdf | 12:16.40 |
| kens | OK so my confusion is.... | 12:16.52 |
| | Since you have a PDF file, why do you need to creagte a new one. And if you do need a new one, why do you print to PostScript first ? | 12:17.18 |
| | Each stage of a multiple conversion potentially introduces losses | 12:17.39 |
| GameScripting | because it could also be a website that is printed on the virtual printer | 12:17.43 |
| | or an image | 12:17.51 |
| | any system that can print on a printer | 12:18.11 |
| | I use it as a general pdf-converter | 12:18.49 |
| kens | OK, well the major problem is that Reader sends its own PostScript, rather than producing it via the GDI, and as a result the ToUnicode information is lost. | 12:18.51 |
| | THere is nothing we cna do about this, its gone before we see it. | 12:19.05 |
| | I can see in the PostScript file that teh font is already subset, and re-encoded | 12:19.27 |
| GameScripting | why is this only the case if i print the pdf that was generated by some QT lib? If I export pdf from word and print that pdf from adobe reader will it use GDI then? | 12:20.34 |
| kens | If you draw to the GDI, tehn that is converted to PostScript by the Windows printing system, and that system adds the ToUnicode information in a way we cna extract. A feature of pdfwrite is that it does so (this isn't standard, but Windows is so widespread its worth us doing it) | 12:21.35 |
| | Acrobat, however, doesn't do that. It converts the PDF to PostScript itself, and uses the 'PostScript pass-through' feature of the WIndows printing system to inject that straight into the output. | 12:22.18 |
| | Acrobat doesn't include the ToUnicode information, and doesn't care about being able to reconstruct a PDF file from the PostScript. Adfter all, you are *printing* it, and you already have a PDF file, so...... | 12:22.59 |
| GameScripting | so adobe reader also uses the non-standart extension if the pdf was produced by word? | 12:23.55 |
| kens | Exporting a PDF from word, opening in Acrobat and prtining from there will be exactly the same, the ToUnicode information will be lost. (at least, so I believe) | 12:23.56 |
| | No, the non-standard stuff is produced by the MS prtiing system when you print via the GDI | 12:24.27 |
| | Because Acrobat bypasses that, it doesn't happen, no matter what source the PDF file is. | 12:24.48 |
| | You 'might' be able to improve the situation if you change the printer driver settings | 12:25.08 |
| | What version of Acrobat are you using ? | 12:25.18 |
| GameScripting | "Exporting a PDF from word, opening in Acrobat and prtining from there will be exactly the same, the ToUnicode information will be lost. (at least, so I believe)" - As the ToUnicode information is NOT lost in this case, this is what confuses me right now | 12:25.36 |
| kens | I don't see how the TOUnicode information would be preserved if you print a PDF from Acrobat, no matter what the source | 12:26.08 |
| GameScripting | Adobe Reader XI Version 11.0.06 in Windows 8.0 | 12:26.14 |
| chrisl | Word may not be reencoding the font, it might be only subsetting | 12:26.16 |
| kens | What *might* be different is that the font might be encoded as ASCII | 12:26.22 |
| | In which case search/copy/paste will work. But tehre is still no Unicode information | 12:26.42 |
| | Hmm, I'm only on Acrobat X and tehre's no obvious provision there for altering the font embedding | 12:27.51 |
| GameScripting | see https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=754AEF00C046FA03!5043&authkey=!AHygsj6khFmpVHI&ithint=folder%2c.pdf | 12:30.16 |
| | "This is 1.pdf" is directly exported from MS Word 2013 | 12:30.39 |
| kens | OK just a minute | 12:30.48 |
| GameScripting | "This is 1.ps" is the PS create by Adobe Reader printing "This is 1.pdf" | 12:31.07 |
| | "This is 1_fromPs.pdf" is the PDF rendered by ghostscript from "This is 1.ps" | 12:31.25 |
| | and all text is selecteable ... | 12:31.32 |
| | copy/past-able | 12:31.39 |
| kens | OK it is not subset and is not a CIDFont, so that's a start. | 12:32.09 |
| GameScripting | I guess thats what makes the difference between QT lib and MS Word | 12:32.48 |
| kens | Maybe, I haven't finished yet | 12:32.59 |
| | THe text is encoded as ASCII in the PostScript, there is still no ToUnicode. However, when ToUnicode is missing, Acrobat treats the text as simple byte strings, so if (as in this case) the text is ASCII, then it will work. Try using somethin which isn't standard ASCII, like an accented character (a umlaut maybe) | 12:34.32 |
| | Here's an exmple of what's in 'this is form 1.pdf': | 12:35.46 |
| | [(T)-1.82553(h)3.00582(i)-0.996407(s )-0.550173(i)-0.997071(s 1)-4.00488(.)13( )-2.78728(E)-0.764067(xp)12.0047(o)-4.99199(rted )8.74741(an)4.00554(d)3.00582( 2)-5.00527(. )7.05996(P)5.71955(ri)-0.995743(n)6.005(te)-3(d)3.00316( )-2.80454(t)8.99223(o)-4.99332( ps)10.8438( )]TJ | 12:35.46 |
| | You can see the characters in there, because they have an ascii encoding | 12:35.59 |
| | THe equivalent in conv.pdf contains binary so I can't paste it, but the character codes are things like 0x01, 0x02, 0x03 etc. | 12:36.56 |
| | THis is what's in pdfprinted.ps: | 12:37.32 |
| | HMFKJO+TahomaStandard [9.71908 0 0 -9.71908 0 0 ]msf | 12:37.32 |
| | 42.7542 412.251 mo | 12:37.32 |
| | (\000*)sh | 12:37.32 |
| | You can see the font is TahomaStandard (the HMFKJO+ means its a subset) | 12:37.56 |
| GameScripting | yes you where kind of right, üäöäüöüö worked, ⥠did not | 12:38.00 |
| kens | mo means 'move to' and 'sh' means 'show' | 12:38.07 |
| GameScripting | i've added three more files to the filder | 12:38.19 |
| | *folder | 12:38.24 |
| kens | test and test.ps ? | 12:38.42 |
| GameScripting | yes | 12:38.45 |
| kens | Lots of subset re-encoded font sin test.pdf | 12:39.46 |
| GameScripting | can you point me to the documentation how to use mupdf to decompress the pdf and access the informations you're showing off here? | 12:39.59 |
| kens | Oh these PDF files aren't compressed. | 12:40.19 |
| | You cna just open them with a text editor | 12:40.28 |
| | Scratch that, the last 2 are. | 12:40.43 |
| | test.pdf is compressed | 12:40.54 |
| | TO decompress yo uneed mutool | 12:41.08 |
| | I was hoping Robin_Watts would pipe i[up with instructions ;-) | 12:41.20 |
| | Hmm, test.pdf is the wrong file, I must have had one with that name, just a moment | 12:42.24 |
| | OK yes now I have the correct one | 12:42.39 |
| | Well that one cut-and-paste ok for me | 12:43.03 |
| GameScripting | yeah, test.pdf is directly exported from word | 12:43.22 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: mmm? | 12:43.27 |
| GameScripting | testFromPs.pdf should not work | 12:43.28 |
| Robin_Watts | mutool clean -difggg in.pdf out.pdf | 12:43.38 |
| kens | Robin_Watts : how to use mutool to decompress a PDF file ? | 12:43.40 |
| | thanks | 12:43.43 |
| Robin_Watts | np. | 12:43.58 |
| kens | GameScripting : looks like the PDF contains accented characters, they show up OK in my editor. | 12:44.55 |
| GameScripting | the ⥠? | 12:45.13 |
| kens | And tehy paste correctly. The heart symbols (unsurprisingly) do not | 12:45.22 |
| | Yes ou and a umlauts all paste fine | 12:45.35 |
| GameScripting | yeah the äöü work for me too, only the heards do not | 12:45.46 |
| kens | I guess the extended ascii set is acceptable too | 12:45.53 |
| GameScripting | do you know how adobe reader decides to use ToUnicode over embedded ASCII? | 12:47.03 |
| kens | So fundamentally the conversion to PostScript strips out the ToUnicode information when printing from Acrobat. If it so happens that teh original PDF had the characters encoded as ASCII, then acrobat falls back to using teat when no ToUnicode is present | 12:47.06 |
| | GameScripting : if ToUnicode is present Acrobat *always* uses it | 12:47.21 |
| | It doesn't really use ascii, it just treats the text as bytye strings | 12:47.39 |
| | So you can actually search for the broken text, but you need to type the actual encoded characters, not ascii. | 12:48.21 |
| | Which is, to be honest, not useful. | 12:48.33 |
| | SO if the text in the original PDF file wasn't in ASCII, you lose the ability to search, as the ToUnicode is lost on conversion to PostScript | 12:48.58 |
| GameScripting | well now I understand how and why this (not) works | 12:50.04 |
| kens | Well it was a useful learnign exercise I guess | 12:50.20 |
| GameScripting | of course it was, pdf seems very complex to me, its hard to find easy to understand and related information on the net | 12:51.12 |
| kens | Well, version 1 was not so complex :-) | 12:51.25 |
| | There's a lot to it, its a rich page description language and it cinludes a great deal of interactive and non-printing things too. | 12:52.20 |
| GameScripting | so I guess there is no other way then printing to PS, right? So I can't always guarantee that the text information is not lost during printing, right? | 12:56.17 |
| kens | Don't convert PDF to PostScript would be my advice. | 12:56.46 |
| | *any* conversion of a PDF file potentially introduces losses | 12:57.04 |
| | Going via an older page desciption language with a more limited graphics model simply makes it more likely | 12:57.38 |
| GameScripting | however printing to printer will always convert it to postscript, wouldn't it? | 12:58.23 |
| kens | No... It will convert it to the page description language of the printer. For an HP printer that might be PCL, for an Epson printer ESC/P | 12:59.07 |
| | But it will involve a conversion of some sort, unless your printer supports direct PDF printing | 12:59.22 |
| GameScripting | so its PS because I am using the ghostscript postscript driver for my virtual printer, I understand ... | 13:00.16 |
| kens | Yes, absolutely correct | 13:00.25 |
| GameScripting | A solution would be to only use applications that do the printing using windows GDI? | 13:00.44 |
| | Because it adds the ToUnicode mappings on the non-standart, but relieable way? | 13:01.07 |
| kens | Yes, but then your PDF file will have to be converted to GDI drawing operations, you probably won't like the result of that either | 13:01.10 |
| | ALl objects in RGB, transparency is lost, beziers converted to quadratics, probably other stuff I haven't thought of | 13:01.37 |
| | Seems to me that if you want a PDF file, and you already have a PDF file, then don't convert it.... | 13:02.19 |
| GameScripting | I have a printer that the user prints to, she could be printing from firefox, adobe reader or SAP, I don't know what it will be. Me code runs on the server and has to create PDF files out of the prints. | 13:03.36 |
| | What format has the data send to the driver (which converts to PS/PCL whatever)? | 13:06.46 |
| kens | I have no idea, I don't do web stuff. I would guess that the browser has a handler for various data types and sends the embedded data to the handler. WHat it does then is up to it. | 13:08.06 |
| | Since you have Acrobat reader installed, clearly it is the handler for PDF files in your web broser, it need not be, you might use pdf.js instead. | 13:08.42 |
| | I don't know what that would do if you try to print a PDF. | 13:08.57 |
| GameScripting | I don't do web stuff either, printing is done on a shared network printer within a corporate network from native applications such as SAP or word or notepad, whatever. | 13:10.54 |
| kens | Sorry I can't really help you with that. I can explain what's going on, and where you r information is vanishing, but I can't solve the problem for you. | 13:11.33 |
| GameScripting | you have helped me so much, I'd just like to thank you very very much for the help :) | 13:12.43 |
| kens | No problem, happy to help | 13:12.52 |
| sebras | tor8: I tried to filter my mupdf bug-list yesterday, but I'm not sure I filter out android/ios in the right way. | 13:17.39 |
| | tor8: I did set os/hardware to not include the strings android and ios, but I'm unsure if that is how you did it..? | 13:18.05 |
| | tor8: maybe it is easier just to send the url. | 13:18.12 |
| tor8 | sebras: I have it as a saved search | 13:18.27 |
| sebras | tor8: I know, but I can't access that. | 13:18.39 |
| tor8 | bah. don't type ^W to delete a word in xchat... | 13:19.04 |
| | http://bugs.ghostscript.com/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_severity=normal&bug_severity=minor&bug_severity=trivial&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=IN_PROGRESS&columnlist=product%2Copendate%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_severity%2Cassigned_to%2Cshort_short_desc%2Cop_sys&f0=OP&f1=OP&f3=CP&f4=CP&known_name=MuPDF%20Bugs&list_id=14840&op_sys=All&op_sys=Windows%203.1&op_sys=Windows%2095&op_ | 13:19.07 |
| | sys=Windows%2098&op_sys=Windows%20ME&op_sys=Windows%202000&op_sys=Windows%20NT&op_sys=Windows%20XP&op_sys=Windows%20Vista&op_sys=Windows%207&op_sys=Windows%208&op_sys=Mac%20System%207&op_sys=Mac%20System%207.5&op_sys=Mac%20System%207.6.1&op_sys=Mac%20System%208.0&op_sys=Mac%20System%208.5&op_sys=Mac%20System%208.6&op_sys=Mac%20System%209.x&op_sys=MacOS%20Carbon&op_sys=MacOS%20X&op_sys=Linux&op_sys=BSDI&op_sys=FreeBSD&op_sys=NetBSD&op_sys=OpenB | 13:19.07 |
| | SD&op_sys=AIX&op_sys=BeOS&op_sys=HP-UX&op_sys=IRIX&op_sys=Neutrino&op_sys=OpenVMS&op_sys=OS%2F2&op_sys=OSF%2F1&op_sys=Solaris&op_sys=SunOS&op_sys=other&product=MuPDF&query_based_on=MuPDF%20Bugs&query_format=advanced | 13:19.08 |
| | sebras: concatenate those into an URL | 13:19.18 |
| sebras | tor8: I'm curious because you and I have such huge discrepancies. | 13:21.07 |
| tor8 | sebras: or in advanced search: product:MuPDF, status:unconfirmed,confirmed,in_progress, severity:all except enhancement OS:all except Android and iOS* | 13:21.24 |
| | sebras: that search gives me 29 bugs found | 13:22.04 |
| sebras | tor8: yup, for me to (obviously). | 13:22.24 |
| tor8 | sebras: and then I have the same one but with os:android,ios* instead as "MuPDF Mobile" | 13:23.27 |
| sebras | tor8: aha! now I know... there are 54 bugs with severity "enhancement". I include those and you filter them out... | 13:25.24 |
| | tor8: some of those actually contain patches. | 13:25.36 |
| tor8 | sebras: I have 83 bugs in the enhancement category | 13:27.14 |
| | but yeah, I guess if you filter out android and ios the list goes down | 13:27.36 |
| sebras | tor8: yup, that's exactly why. | 13:28.06 |
| | tor8: I accidentally also removed OS set to "all" that's why I got 54. | 13:28.36 |
| tor8 | sebras: that makes sense. if I uncheck the mobile stuff I got 74 enhancements. | 13:28.59 |
| purb | hiii | 13:29.08 |
| sebras | tor8: finally we are in sync. :) | 13:29.13 |
| | purb: ni hao! | 13:29.18 |
| purb | yes | 13:29.34 |
| | can you please help me to do annotation in pdf file? | 13:30.45 |
| tor8 | purb: both the iOS and android apps can create annotations. | 13:33.04 |
| purb | no. I want to do annotation in windows | 13:33.36 |
| | I want to do annotation in windows apps | 13:33.53 |
| tor8 | right. then you'll need to roll up your sleeves and be prepared to do some coding :) | 13:34.29 |
| | the current windows viewer doesn't do annotation editing | 13:34.39 |
| | but the basic functionality is in the mupdf library, so if you can write the GUI parts you can hook that up to the library | 13:35.08 |
| purb | Is there any sample code for use of annotation in GUI part available? | 13:36.02 |
| tor8 | paulgardiner wrote the annotation code, so he'd be the one to ask | 13:36.07 |
| | there is annotation code both in the ios and android apps | 13:36.15 |
| | in the platform/ios and platform/android directories | 13:36.25 |
| purb | So, there don't exist any code of annotation for windows apps..... | 13:38.19 |
| paulgardiner | purb> Nothing in the windows apps, but both the iOS and Android apps support annotation creation | 13:39.00 |
| purb | Can you please help me to develop annotation creation support in windows apps? | 13:40.03 |
| tor8 | purb: if you have questions about the mupdf api, you can ask them here. | 13:42.28 |
| | if you need help programming, or want us to write your code for you, then the answer is no. | 13:43.12 |
| sebras | tor8: is it possible for purb (or someone else) to pay you guys at artifex to develop features that they want to have? like e.g. annotation creation support for windows apps. | 13:44.17 |
| paulgardiner_lap | well, unless you wish to contract us to do it. | 13:44.18 |
| kens | sebras we do NRE work yes | 13:44.32 |
| | at our discretion | 13:44.38 |
| sebras | kens: NRE? | 13:44.41 |
| kens | Non-refundable engineering | 13:44.49 |
| | ie you pay us and we write the code | 13:44.56 |
| | But we try to avoid it on the whole, we don't have that much development resource | 13:45.23 |
| purb | I can write my code. I don't want any code. I just need some help to use the existing code... | 13:45.27 |
| sebras | kens: right. | 13:45.34 |
| | kens: good to know though. | 13:45.38 |
| kens | We have a few customers who get that kind of help | 13:45.56 |
| tor8 | purb: right. well, just ask any questions you have here, and we'll try to answer as well as we can. | 13:46.02 |
| | prub: is this for some windows software, or do you want to extend the current windows viewer? | 13:46.38 |
| paulgardiner_lap | purb> platform/android/jni/mupdf.c is a good place to start. It is very much complicated by having to support the JNI interface, but you can see the sequence of calls necessary for each case | 13:47.29 |
| purb | I want to extend the current viewer | 13:47.37 |
| tor8 | purb: it might be easier to write a new viewer ... the current viewer is complicated by being cross platform with X11 | 13:48.23 |
| purb | ok | 13:48.55 |
| paulgardiner_lap | Although you'd still need to make it open source because of the GPL licence MuPDF is released under. | 13:49.42 |
| purb | If the new viewer build, then I want to submit my code for other users.... | 13:50.26 |
| paulgardiner_lap | That's good | 13:51.42 |
| purb | ok... I have to go now..... see you tomorrow | 13:54.37 |
| ray_laptop | Robin_Watts: (mvrhel for the logs). While looking into Bug 695221 that I got from mvrhel, I found the cause for the GC problems, writing past the end of an array. One of you please have a look at my patch, please. http://git.ghostscript.com/?p=user/ray/ghostpdl.git;a=commit;h=0ee1976845db37ae070156c608cd6104215e7ed4 | 14:04.27 |
| | Robin_Watts: I think you had a hand in extending client colors when we switched to planar for psdcmyk and tiffsep | 14:05.07 |
| Robin_Watts | looking now. | 14:05.33 |
| | I seem to remember that some of the scars on my fingers were from that, yeah. | 14:05.50 |
| ray_laptop | Robin_Watts: thanks. Sorry to pull you out of whatever SOT fun you are having :-) | 14:05.55 |
| Robin_Watts | ray_laptop: It's OK, I'll finish making my noose later. | 14:06.14 |
| ray_laptop | Robin_Watts: OK. Thanks | 14:08.37 |
| Robin_Watts | So we were broadly using GX_DEVICE_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS before, which is either 64 or 32 depending on the use_large_color_index thing? | 14:10.04 |
| | and now you've moved it over to use GS_CLIENT_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS which is generally 64? | 14:10.40 |
| | I am unoffended by the change, but I can't say I completely understand the logic behind it. | 14:12.45 |
| henrys | ray_laptop: not directly related to the issue at hand, but I thought we were going to get rid of GC in devices. | 14:17.10 |
| Robin_Watts | henrys: AIUI, it's a memory overwrite that ray is curing. | 14:17.41 |
| | As such it's wrong, even without gc coming into the equation. | 14:17.57 |
| henrys | that would be the "not directly related" part of my sentence. I assumed this overwrite was happening while GC'ing device stuff. | 14:19.02 |
| Robin_Watts | yeah, sorry. | 14:19.16 |
| chrisl | Er, why do we have "GX_DEVICE_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS" and "GS_CLIENT_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS"? | 14:23.57 |
| henrys | chrisl: yea that's what I was trying to understand isn't the client the device? | 14:24.25 |
| chrisl | That's what I thought...... | 14:24.40 |
| Robin_Watts | If we are allowing them to be different (for some reason I can't understand) then presumably we ought to have a compile time assert somewhere that GS_CLIENT_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS >= GX_DEVICE_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS. | 14:26.03 |
| chrisl | Unless we know what each is for, we can't really judge | 14:26.48 |
| henrys | okay the client is the languages as I'm grokking it now. | 14:28.04 |
| Robin_Watts | gs_client_colors can be patterns etc. | 14:28.42 |
| henrys | as in typedef struct gs_client_color_s gs_client_color; | 14:28.46 |
| chrisl | henrys: but gdevcli.h contains definitions for devices....... | 14:28.59 |
| Robin_Watts | gs_client_color_s is defined in gsccolor.h | 14:29.22 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: right and that on is for languages, right? | 14:29.42 |
| Robin_Watts | I think so, yes. | 14:29.50 |
| chrisl | I think the use of "client" to refer to both interpreters and devices is very confusing | 14:29.54 |
| henrys | no the gxdevcl should have anything to do with GS_CLIENT_MAX_COMPONENTS which is to do with the source color space and the device gdevtsep.c should know nothing about it. So this change doesn't make sense to me. | 14:37.30 |
| | s/anything/nothing | 14:38.10 |
| Robin_Watts | I'm assuming that we are running into a case where GS_CLIENT_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS > GX_DEVICE_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS. | 14:38.54 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: that would explain the changes yes. | 14:39.48 |
| Robin_Watts | and in gs/devices/tiffsep.c at line 1200, we'd then overwrite memory. | 14:39.49 |
| | So possibly the whole thing could be fixed by a bounds check there ? | 14:41.38 |
| | Does it actually make sense for us to ever allow for the two values to differ? | 14:42.35 |
| | I guess we might want to cope with a postscript file with 64 spots, and to print it to rgb. | 14:43.04 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: I think it does make sense for them to be separate and possibly different - GS_CLIENT_MAX⦠doesn't belong in gdevtsep.c at all. | 14:43.53 |
| Robin_Watts | I am not familiar enough with the devn stuff to know if separation_order_map is having to work at the client color level. | 14:44.12 |
| | possibly separation_order_map is used to determine which components at the client_color level are mapped down to which bits at the device color level ? | 14:44.36 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: unless we are sort of creating a device on the fly to match the color in the language. | 14:44.43 |
| Robin_Watts | This devn/separation stuff has to cope with people on the fly defining which set of separations actually comes out in the device. | 14:48.26 |
| | hence I could easily believe that the separation_order_map had to cope with more "input" colors than "output" colors. | 14:48.54 |
| chrisl | But if we have more input colors than output colors, then tiffsep won't work....... | 14:50.12 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: Why not? | 14:50.50 |
| | I thought one of tiffseps skills was that it could give you just the requested set of separations ? | 14:51.12 |
| chrisl | Yes, but if you don't specify a set of seps, it will try to create new plates based on the input | 14:51.49 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: And in that case, if there are more seps in the source file than it can output, then either it will throw a rangecheck, or it will only output the first n. | 14:52.45 |
| | AIUI. | 14:52.55 |
| chrisl | Okay, I just don't see an argument for the interpreter supporting more plates than the graphics lib - that seems crazy | 14:53.57 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: Is there a maximum number of separations in postscript? | 14:54.28 |
| chrisl | Not sure..... | 14:54.42 |
| Robin_Watts | or PDF? | 14:54.44 |
| | I could make a PDF pantone chart, with each color as a separation, with a base space that would drop back to RGB, right? | 14:55.13 |
| | Then when I print that, I could get any given set out as spots. | 14:55.50 |
| henrys | there is a fairly good discussion in plrm that I'm plowing through ... | 14:56.00 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: each separation color space is only one plate.... you'd need a *massive* DeviceN space to overflow the available number of plates in the interpreter | 14:57.14 |
| Robin_Watts | So the maximum number of plates available in the interpreter is what? 1000s? | 14:58.39 |
| chrisl | There doesn't seem to be a maximum number of components in a DeviceN space in the PLRM.... | 14:59.15 |
| henrys | chrisl: also see the note on 242 I don't think we should be thinking just in terms of "plates" | 15:00.15 |
| chrisl | henrys: that's why I specified "components in a DeviceN space"...... | 15:01.21 |
| | At first glance, PDF does not seem to stipulate a maximum number of components for DeviceN | 15:03.05 |
| | Ah, it is implementation dependent and in PDFRM "Implementation Limits" it says "DeviceN components 32" | 15:04.15 |
| | Which is odd because I've seen at least two PDFs with 38+ component DeviceN color spaces | 15:05.01 |
| henrys | In any case I find it very confusing to have GS_CLIENT_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS used in the device with the device color space. | 15:05.17 |
| chrisl | henrys: if we allow the interpreter to have more components available than the graphics library, we have to use GS_CLIENT_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS in the device | 15:06.02 |
| | Or, as Robin_Watts throw a rangecheck.... | 15:06.40 |
| henrys | chrisl: no we have a compile time invariant that GX_DEVICE_⦠is greater | 15:06.45 |
| chrisl | henrys: then why not just make them the same, and remove a confusion macro? | 15:07.12 |
| henrys | chrisl: I don't know the performance hit | 15:07.31 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: Consider the case where you have a cmyk laser printer. | 15:07.40 |
| chrisl | As they are presumably *normally* the same now, the performance hit would be minimal | 15:08.02 |
| Robin_Watts | You want to allow for coping with many separations in the graphics lib. | 15:08.09 |
| | but you want to fold them all down to cmyk for printing. | 15:08.25 |
| | This means you only need a device color that copes with 32 bits. | 15:08.37 |
| | hence why have a color_index of more than 32bits? Why take the hit (and it will be a hit on some CPUs) ? | 15:08.58 |
| | This is exactly the situation that the customer that was complaining about large_index=0 not working is in. | 15:09.28 |
| | AIUI. | 15:09.37 |
| chrisl | I don't know when the tint transform is triggered - that would be the decider | 15:09.47 |
| henrys | well yea the current customer complaint that started this wanted a 32 bit index. | 15:09.54 |
| Robin_Watts | hence I suspect there *are* cases when it makes sense to have client colors being large, but gx_device_colors being small. | 15:10.11 |
| | and broadly I think that henrys is right, we should be using gx_device_color_max_components in the device. | 15:10.47 |
| | but I think that separation_order_map may possibly be the exception. | 15:11.04 |
| henrys | that'll teach ray to ask for a review ;-) | 15:12.26 |
| chrisl | Perhaps some extra, clear comments on the nature of GS_CLIENT_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS and GX_DEVICE_COLOR_MAX_COMPONENTS would be in order | 15:14.32 |
| henrys | chrisl: yes and if my understanding is correct - it would be better to have GX_DEVICE_COLORANT_MAX_COMPONENTS so it syncs with the documentation. | 15:22.40 |
| Robin_Watts | Why is COLORANT better than COLOR ? | 15:23.35 |
| | which documentation? | 15:23.59 |
| henrys | PLRM | 15:24.08 |
| chrisl | COLOR can be composite - COLORANT is one component | 15:24.08 |
| Robin_Watts | It's the "maximum number of components in a gx_device_color" | 15:24.41 |
| chrisl | Ah, yes, it probably should be COLOR then | 15:25.02 |
| | Or GX_DEVICE_MAX_COLORANTS | 15:25.30 |
| | Robin_Watts: to clusterpush mupdf, I just run clusterpush.pl from the mupdf tree, yes? | 15:26.47 |
| henrys | I'm looking at the diagram on 212 of PLRM color rendering | 15:26.53 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: yes. | 15:26.57 |
| chrisl | ta | 15:27.22 |
| henrys | or 238 in pdf reference 1.7 | 15:29.54 |
| chrisl | henrys: I'm not sure our color workflow exactly matches that diagram in the PLRM | 15:30.05 |
| henrys | mvrhel_laptop: I don't know if you want to get rapped up in the logs or let ray deal with it. I'd say gsview completion and SOT are more important. | 15:33.03 |
| mvrhel_laptop | morning. reading logs... | 15:33.59 |
| | oh that | 15:34.15 |
| | I already assigned that to ray and talked with him about it | 15:34.34 |
| henrys | mvrhel_laptop: well he asked for review and something related and so... | 15:35.16 |
| mvrhel_laptop | yes I see that now thanks. | 15:35.33 |
| | I have to agree with the confusing use of "client" that has always bothered me | 15:36.36 |
| henrys | waits until mvrhel_laptop gets to the point that say don't read the logs ;-) | 15:37.16 |
| | s/say/say | 15:37.28 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ha. good point. I will stop | 15:37.30 |
| henrys | s | 15:37.30 |
| mvrhel_laptop | I stepped away from the event horizon | 15:38.00 |
| Robin_Watts | I think someone needs to rule whether ray is doing the right thing or not. | 15:38.22 |
| | It would seem that the rest of us have our doubts. | 15:38.31 |
| mvrhel_laptop | chrisl: I added control key function, drag and drop, and moved the about menu control like you suggested | 15:38.43 |
| | adding in the turn off AA now | 15:38.53 |
| henrys | chrisl: absolutely right about GX_DEVICE_MAX_COLORANTS - my terminology was obviously wrong | 15:39.21 |
| mvrhel_laptop | which I knew why kens had issues installing though | 15:39.27 |
| chrisl | mvrhel_laptop: that's cool - look forward to the next beta! | 15:39.37 |
| | Robin_Watts: I'm okay with Ray's change, I can see the argument for doing it that way - I'd like it *heavily* commented as to why tiffsep is the exception | 15:40.20 |
| | And I'd like clear comments added about which client the word "client" refers to...... | 15:41.39 |
| kens | Night all | 16:16.31 |
| cryptopsy | how come in mupdf i can't select text like i can with the exact same file in windows? | 17:02.29 |
| | its not jumping between letters but it is pasting in mine | 17:06.59 |
| sebras | cryptopsy: I think you might need to explain this a bit better. what do you mean jumping between letters? | 17:16.39 |
| cryptopsy | sebras: you know, a letter is like a box | 17:20.26 |
| | so, for example, in your web browser, select text, snaps to each letter's edge | 17:20.54 |
| | not so in mupdf when selecting text with right click http://i.imgur.com/Mzu1svs.jpg | 17:21.10 |
| sebras | ah, now I get it. :) well, the text selection mechanism is like this by design I think. it works the same under X11. | 17:23.10 |
| | cryptopsy: any highlighted text ought to be copied regardless though. | 17:24.20 |
| | otherwise it is a bug. | 17:24.32 |
| cryptopsy | yea its being copied but the hilight box is confusing | 17:39.37 |
| sebras | cryptopsy: think of it as the selection tool in a drawing program and it all makes sense. :) | 17:40.18 |
| | cryptopsy: besides being confusing, is it making any specific operation troublesome for you? | 17:40.54 |
| cryptopsy | yea selecting what i want | 17:41.36 |
| sebras | cryptopsy: ok, why? | 17:41.51 |
| cryptopsy | soemtimes it seems i'm selecting the letter in a word but its off by one most of the time | 17:41.52 |
| | that's because, for example, the letter l is not centered in its glyph box | 17:42.05 |
| | so everything i copy, i have to prune | 17:42.18 |
| sebras | cryptopsy: alright, obviously I have no quick fix for this. but I think maybe this is good input for later when the sample viewer is being rewritten (this has been on the agenda for a long time). | 17:43.38 |
| cryptopsy | here's example : http://i.imgur.com/h9KVmEb.jpg | 17:43.46 |
| | notice the comma on the third line | 17:43.53 |
| | notice the t on the third line | 17:43.59 |
| | and the whole 4th line in vim | 17:44.14 |
| | got pasted, even though its not hilighted at all | 17:44.21 |
| sebras | cryptopsy: got it. | 17:44.49 |
| | need to run. | 17:45.33 |
| cryptopsy | so, for safety reasons the user has to yank like 2 lineas extra in each direction | 17:45.34 |
| sebras | goes for dinner. | 17:45.36 |
| cryptopsy | ok | 17:45.37 |
| | run fast | 17:45.38 |
| | sebras: how to set the background to black instead of gray? | 17:46.45 |
| | or to another color | 17:46.49 |
| | i want it to blend in with the margins of my document for my viewing pleasure | 17:47.00 |
| | here's example; http://i.imgur.com/zVNmLuM.jpg | 17:48.11 |
| | can i make copy use left mouse button instead of right mouse button? | 17:54.11 |
| sebras | cryptopsy: I believe that hitting "i" will invert the colors. maybe that is enough for you? | 18:30.47 |
| | cryptopsy: switching actions for mouse buttons at least requires changes in platform/x11/pdfapp.c:pdfapp_onmouse() | 18:32.36 |
| | cryptopsy: I haven't tested doing that though, so I might have missed something. | 18:32.52 |
| | cryptopsy: looks like you are studying medicine given the pictures you send. :) | 18:33.35 |
| | or biology. | 18:33.45 |
| cryptopsy | sebras: the screenshot you saw is with colors inverted, it has no effect on background color (the grey) | 18:34.39 |
| | i supposed its better to call it canvas? | 18:35.24 |
| | sebras: i am writing histology notes | 18:35.59 |
| | a complete course for medical students | 18:36.10 |
| | is there a hotkey for select all, that way i don't have to drag and drop to select all my text? | 18:37.30 |
| sebras | cryptopsy: platform/x11/x11_main.c:winopen() sets xbgcolor to 0x7000 for red green and blue. I assume setting this to 0x0000 would produce the desired result, but there is not command-line (or hotkey) way of setting it. | 18:37.49 |
| | cryptopsy: no, no hotkey for selection as far as I know. | 18:38.06 |
| cryptopsy | thanks | 18:54.43 |
| | i'm gonna go now, i hope these features make it into a future release, thanks again | 19:18.29 |
| corruptmd5sums | dowbloads from ghosscript.com gs910w64.exe, gs014w64.exe. and gs914232.exe are corrupt and their md5 checksums don't match the published values | 21:25.58 |
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