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Aurelien_ Hi all09:45.28 
  How are you guys?09:45.55 
  I want to use MuPdf and I have some problems when saving annotations to my file09:46.40 
  sometimes it works and sometimes it does not09:47.01 
  I cannot find bugs in the bugs list09:47.26 
  So can I find a way to correct this bug ?09:47.55 
  maybe here?09:47.59 
kens Are you using the MuPDF viewer, or your own application ?09:48.36 
chrisl Well, won't be flying United again.......09:49.03 
kens why chrisl ? THey cna't have lost your bags yet......09:49.17 
chrisl Online "checkin" won't issue a boarding pass09:49.35 
kens What, seriously ? That's cr*p09:49.51 
tor8 chrisl: and you don't even have a connecting flight? that's a new low...09:50.07 
kens What's the point of online check-in then ?09:50.16 
chrisl "You can check your seat assignment etc....", but to complete your checkin and issue a boarding pass, have to go to the desk at the airport09:50.51 
kens So, no point then.09:51.08 
chrisl Unless it's just me, for some reason...09:51.09 
kens I'm doing mine now, we'll see09:51.16 
  Plane looks pretty full :-(09:56.25 
pedro_pc chrisl: is that united? They never let me do online checkin the last few times because they do manual security checks pre-checkin (atedinburgh/Glasgow anyway)09:56.34 
chrisl pedro_pc: yeh. Most airlines, at least at Heathrow, let you checkin online09:57.29 
kens Oh, just got a lovely warning 'one of your lfights today may be overbooked'....09:58.23 
jogux_mac I blame the US tbh. flights to there always seem worse than to anywhere else, at least from the UK.09:58.35 
kens ANd it seems it won't let me have a boarding pass either09:59.01 
  jogux_mac : first time in years I haven't been able to print a boarding pass for Heathrow departure09:59.24 
  I wonder if its because when asked about checking bags I replied no/unsure (I am sure, but there isn't a 'definitely not' option)10:00.35 
kens is unimpressed10:01.07 
chrisl kens: the warning about the boarding pass came up on the first page for me, before I had entered any details. I wonder if it's because I don't have a United frequent flyer or whatever membership10:02.00 
kens I don't either, but I didn't get the boarding pass thing till I got to the end10:02.24 
  Makes online check-in totally pointless10:02.55 
chrisl Yep, *definitely* not happy with that :-(10:11.27 
Robin_Watts I didn't get a boarding pass either.10:16.10 
  Possibly because I only just entered my passport information?10:16.22 
chrisl I thought I had to give my passport details to book the tickets10:16.45 
kens I htought so also10:16.54 
  and was irritated to have to enter it all again10:17.02 
Robin_Watts but we can print boarding passes at the machines, without needing to queue for a desk.10:17.17 
chrisl Which makes it doubly pointless and annoying that we can't print them now10:18.38 
Robin_Watts well the machines read the passports.10:19.21 
  so that is at least consistent.10:19.33 
kens You'll like htis, it sent me a boarding pass10:21.57 
  Ah no it hasn't10:22.07 
  Its snet me a PDF saying 'this is not a boarding pass'. THat's helpful;10:22.21 
chrisl No, the mail says "boarding pass" the PDF says "oh no it isn't"......10:22.51 
kens and teh PDF says that they need to verify my passsport10:22.52 
  chrisl, yes that's what I meant, which is simply more confusing :-)10:23.06 
chrisl It just means having to leave earlier tomorrow, which I could do without10:23.42 
kens BTW does anyone know if we're landing at terminal 2 on the way home ?10:30.28 
chrisl I didn't think T2 was open again, yet10:31.53 
kens chrisl, just had an email from Ian to say he's in hospital until Monday/Teusday next week to have a plate on a collar bone....10:32.10 
  chrisl, it opens Wednesday, guess which airline is the first to use it ?10:32.25 
chrisl kens: fell off his bike?10:32.36 
kens I'm assuming so, he was in Switzerland earlier10:32.49 
chrisl I've got a few friends with similar things - collar bones often get it when you come off a bike :-(10:33.24 
kens I wonder if medics have changed their practices, I didn't get mine plated.10:33.51 
chrisl It depends on the break - I think it mainly depends on how stable it is10:35.04 
kens Well, I broke the bone completely, so about as unstable as its possible to be I would guess10:35.27 
chrisl I guess I've been lucky - when I come off my bike, I protect my arms by throwing my head forward........10:36.59 
kens Wasn't a bike for me, I just slipped on some wet grass10:37.20 
chrisl I guess we are coming into T2 - not that it makes much difference to me. Need to remember we fly out of T1, though10:43.23 
kens Makes a difference to my ride home :-)10:43.41 
chrisl It's easy enough to check the arrivals page, that should confirm the terminal10:44.23 
kens Yes, and I did warnt htme it might be T210:44.50 
Robin_Watts oh, we're T1 on the way out? Shows how awake I've been.10:45.37 
kens Yeah T1 on departure10:45.49 
chrisl Christ, the day before we head off to a staff meeting, and that's the 4th bug that's probably going to end up on my plate - after it being quiet for ages!10:48.43 
kens What the font stream one ?10:48.57 
  More likely mine10:49.01 
chrisl Well, it's "fonts"....10:49.12 
kens Yeah, but its also 'pdf interpreter' and 'pdfwrite'.....10:49.30 
  Either of those could be throwing an error10:49.42 
  Well, GS on its own says 'can't find CID font "HYb1gj"'10:50.33 
  I would guess that pdfwrite throws an error because it can't embed the font10:51.00 
chrisl No, I get "can't process font stream, loading by the name"10:51.23 
kens Yeah getting that too10:51.33 
chrisl To the display device.....10:51.52 
kens As I was going to say beforethe network hiccuped.... can't see any immediate problem with the fonts, but -dPDFSTOPONERROR doesn't terminate10:53.29 
  Grr, uses compressed streams10:55.37 
chrisl No the "can't process font stream...." isn't considered a "fatal" error - go figure10:55.38 
  And I've just remembered why I don't like selling stuff on e-bay - silly questions galore :-(10:59.25 
pedro_pc coul tke the Apple approach with an auto-responder which says "Thanks for your question. Your business is impotant to us. To best handle your query I'm redirecting you to our customer fulfillment advisor, /dev/null"11:01.12 
  bah, why do I persist with this wireless kb11:01.32 
pedro_pc apologises and adds more letters11:01.59 
chrisl Tempting, but you never know which idiot might bid up the item, so mantra <must be polite.....>11:02.24 
pedro_pc :)11:02.47 
chrisl But it is quite difficult with questions like "you don't list any international shipping, are you willing post to Hong Kong?"....11:05.16 
Robin_Watts chrisl: To which the answer is, not without a premium on the postage.11:07.08 
chrisl Robin_Watts: to which the answer is "if I were willing to post to Hong Kong, I'd have listed international shipping"11:11.45 
  Robin_Watts: I'd be surprised if anyone would go for it anyway: carriage on a 5kg amplifier worth ~300ukp runs to 110ukp insured to HK11:14.33 
tor8 Robin_Watts: when do you get in tomorrow?12:27.23 
  kens: chrisl: ^12:27.33 
kens Hmm12:27.41 
chrisl Erm, 1:30pm12:27.55 
kens says here 13;30 local time12:27.56 
tor8 we should probably decide where to meet up12:28.03 
kens Well, thought we might find the car hire place, then come back and meet you in the arrivals area12:28.20 
tor8 right, so one hour earlier than me. I'm coming in at 14.3512:28.30 
  arrivals area sounds good, less chance of me getting lost :)12:28.44 
chrisl tor8: does your phone work in the US?12:28.55 
kens I thought me or someone would come back to arrivals while RObin does the paperwork12:29.00 
tor8 chrisl: it should, but there have been times where it wasn't entirely reliable12:29.08 
kens Mine works 'sometimes'12:29.35 
chrisl tor8: One would hope the airport would be somewhere it would work reliably....12:29.47 
tor8 departures usually has fewer people waiting, though, so that might be a better waiting place12:30.07 
kens Well you're easy to find Tor....12:31.11 
tor8 True enough.12:32.31 
Robin_Watts departures may be a better bet.13:00.38 
  at arrivals they like you to park, cos they expect you to have to wait for ages.13:01.00 
  departures is much more 'drop and go'.13:01.15 
  Can cars drive to the shuttle bus pickup point?13:01.58 
  If so, we should meet tor there.13:02.05 
chrisl Not sure, sometimes it's buses and taxis only13:02.28 
Robin_Watts well, presumably we can get to *somewhere* along there?13:04.48 
kens I htougth I'd walk back while you do the car, then bring tTor to the hire place13:05.11 
chrisl Yeh, I'd think so - and heck, if it goes wrong, we're just a bunch of dumb limeys....13:05.31 
Robin_Watts kens: I suspect that we'll have to ride a bus to get to the car hire place.13:07.55 
  I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that it's on "Car Rental Drive" which is near Kincaids, in Burlingame.13:08.33 
kens well, bus, feet....13:08.35 
Robin_Watts so walking back will take a while.13:08.41 
tor8 I'll wait around the arrivals area then13:11.55 
  Robin_Watts: the shuttle bus pickup point is on the arrivals level13:13.07 
  I mean departures level...13:13.16 
Robin_Watts tor8: yeah, I'm trying to decide between arrivals and departures.13:13.32 
tor8 more places to sit and wait near the departures, but I reckon arrivals will be easier for picking someone up13:14.04 
  but not by much, you see a lot of people dropping people off at departures as well13:14.23 
Robin_Watts Most places they let you drive along the departures level, but they often only let taxis/buses along the arrivals.13:14.23 
  dropping people off at departures would be normal :)13:14.51 
tor8 I could wait near the bart terminal, then it's just a quick jog up or down the stairs13:15.06 
Robin_Watts tor8: wait at the usual shuttle bus pickup point.13:15.49 
  but watch both lanes :)13:15.55 
  so on the departures level.13:16.09 
tor8 shuttle bus pickup, check.13:16.11 
Robin_Watts at least we all know where that is :)13:16.22 
tor8 I might be hiding in the shade if the sun is beating down relentlessly13:16.26 
kens forecast says 15C13:17.06 
tor8 and speaking of the sun, what does the weather forecast look like?13:17.08 
  that's colder than here!13:17.17 
kens :-(13:17.22 
Robin_Watts guerneville is forecast to be 25 on sunday.13:22.56 
  but chilly in the evenings.13:23.11 
pedro_pc Robin: what rental co are you usin? the monorail takes you to most - hertz/avis/alamo/budget etc13:56.36 
henrys Robin_Watts: have you seen paul today we have a meeting in an hour and I'm not sure he knows about it.13:58.41 
  ?13:58.51 
Robin_Watts yes, he's about.13:59.18 
paulgardiner_lap hi14:00.09 
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Robin_Watts pedro_pc: It's avis.14:00.17 
henrys paulgardiner_lap: I noticed when I RSVP's you hadn't responded yet so I was worried you didn't get the email14:00.46 
pedro_pc went with avis last year and they'e in the rental pickup garage about 3 stops from the main terminal iirc14:01.04 
Robin_Watts pedro_pc: Getting the car isn't the problem. Meeting up with tor who is coming in on a different flight is the complicated bit :)14:01.04 
pedro_pc ah, ok :)14:01.12 
Robin_Watts I probably wouldn't go with Avis if I had a choice after what happened in Dallas.14:01.41 
pedro_pc just wondering if it'd be easier for him to get to the rental garage that way than you trying to get back to the right bit of the terminal...14:02.05 
Robin_Watts Booked online, prepaid for rental.14:02.05 
paulgardiner_lap henrys: I'm not sure I have the email you've RSVP to. I'll check my gmail spam14:02.29 
Robin_Watts when I went to pick the car up and I was signing my life away she said "and this is for your upgrade"...14:03.04 
  and I said "upgrade?"14:03.09 
pedro_pc checks and realises I actually went with Hertz for that leg... (same building though)14:03.26 
Robin_Watts and she said "Yes, I've put you in a slightly larger car so you'll be more comfortable".14:03.34 
  and foolishly I agreed.14:03.39 
pedro_pc grins14:03.41 
Robin_Watts and found that she'd taken my rental to about 4 times the price.14:03.58 
  I am arguing with Avis customer disservice over it now.14:04.11 
kens I didn't know about that :-(14:04.27 
pedro_pc ouch - I did an $80 upgrade to a ford Edge and that was pretty decent14:04.28 
Robin_Watts kens: I am somewhat embarassed about it.14:04.48 
pedro_pc I had gone for something whichhad a 4-cylinder engine (didn't say on the website)14:05.11 
Robin_Watts It was supposed to be $150 or so (which I expected to turn into $250 after insurances etc)14:05.16 
pedro_pc doesn't do 4-cylinder stuff in the US ;)14:05.22 
Robin_Watts it ended up being $800+.14:05.36 
pedro_pc ouch14:05.40 
  what did you get? and Escalade?14:05.49 
Robin_Watts some 7 seater thing.14:05.59 
paulgardiner_lap henrys: I'm probably being daft: what should I be looking for? All I seem to have from Good today is a document about the services framework14:06.08 
pedro_pc paulgardiner_lap> webex invite14:06.43 
henrys forwarding14:06.59 
paulgardiner_lap Ta. I can't seem to find it. What date/time?14:07.59 
henrys paulgardiner_lap: 52 minutes14:08.20 
rayjj Robin_Watts: try Enterprise -- they have vans, and probably for much less. IIRC, car rental places don't actually charge you in advance14:10.12 
  We've rented 7 seater vans at Enterprise at about $59/day (base rate, unlimited mileage)14:11.02 
Robin_Watts rayjj: The rule is simply not to accept an upgrade without checking that they weren't charging a stupid amount for it.14:11.03 
pedro_pc rayjj - its a uk stitch-up as usual - we get 'discount' rates for booking in advance (and paying)14:11.04 
  doesn't always work out to be cheaper14:11.12 
henrys paulgardiner_lap: I think we are to use the webex stuff so you will need the email - it has a url and password14:11.13 
Robin_Watts rayjj: They offered the upgrade without warning me it would cost a fortune, and I'm gonna blame the jetlag for not picking up on it.14:11.59 
paulgardiner_lap Looks like I didn't get a copy because I'm not in the To list.14:12.08 
henrys paulgardiner_lap: ah right you are I didn't look14:12.36 
paulgardiner_lap I guess I'll gate crash.14:13.02 
henrys paulgardiner_lap: I wonder if this is going to be of any use. We have to get the app running ... losing $ everyday it's not.14:16.52 
pedro_pc henrys> if its just how to register apps and services in the partner portal then possibly not much new (its basically analogous to doing the same in a local GC server) but I think we'll benefit from some concrete clarification of the steps we need to take14:22.29 
paulgardiner_lap henrys: do you mean on Android? I'm maybe confused about what happened with the app store. Latest I'd heard was that we deleted it, but were able to replace it.14:40.22 
rayjj found my last typo to make 2524.pdf run correctly. Now to try a clusterpush14:40.51 
kens fingers crossed....14:41.04 
henrys paulgardiner_lap: miles claims there are customers waiting on the new stuff hence the urgency. I don't know the details.14:42.17 
jogux_mac SOG is definitely on the iOS appstore (whether good have actually sorted it out so that Miles can sign contracts/sell it I have no idea...).14:43.04 
pedro_pc henrys> do you know if that is existing customers waiting for fixes to reported issues?14:43.50 
paulgardiner_lap new stuff, as in font widths? Hopefully we are close now anyway. I added the other direction of the file-transfer service yesterday, which Richard claimed we needed.14:45.23 
  If we can get it clear exactly what we need to test14:45.48 
henrys paulgardiner_lap: no my understanding was we need the new integration - nothing is needed on our end14:45.49 
  paulgardiner_lap: miles says he is collecting no money until this thing is running.14:46.37 
jogux_mac thing == android, iOS or both?14:47.47 
pedro_pc henrys: I know we're not aware thow the deals have been set up, but if there's an existing SOG on the appstore then how is a rebranded refresh going to make more money?14:48.23 
paulgardiner_lap new integration? I worry I've been working on the wrong thing. Mostly I've been updating to their latest SDK... well at least since the struggle we had to get the thing to authorise.14:48.43 
  Possibly, testing is all that it left to do on iOS, although that in itself is no simple matter.14:49.35 
henrys pedro_pc, paulgardiner_lap : not a clue, I assumed it was pulled down. My conversations with miles have been simply to get it running and I haven't looked at the business end at all.14:50.17 
Robin_Watts henrys: AIUI, Miles removed it from the appstore.14:50.40 
  and then got emailed by Good, and so put it back up again.14:50.51 
  so the old version is currently on the appstore, and people can download/use it.14:51.07 
jogux_mac robin: for iOS - yes. there's nothing at all for Android.14:51.30 
henrys I'm a little confused why it would work - it sound like the old interface is no longer supported. 14:53.01 
jogux_mac robin: I'm unconvinced (although Henry/Paul/Pete almost certainly know more) that Good have given Miles a way to actually sell the existing iOS app.14:53.19 
henrys miles claims to be losing 5-10K per week while it is not running....14:53.50 
jogux_mac :(14:53.57 
pedro_pc henrys: the old APIs are still available bu tdeprecated (so they'll proably only work with specific versions of GfE/GoodShare14:54.23 
  Good have recommended that we upgraded the apps to the 1.6 SDK14:55.02 
  (they were based on 1.4)14:55.09 
henrys anyway let's stay out of business stuff and focus on getting it running.14:55.37 
paulgardiner_lap Not being aware of the full story until now, I don't think any of us have asked Brad or Richard what we need to do to get this up and running again. We havent been told categoricaly that we cannot go with the old version for now.14:55.55 
  And it seemed too that they hadn't altogether connected us with the old Picsel account.14:56.36 
henrys paulgardiner_lap: I've been fairly clear with him in email and stated last week on the phone that was the goal and he seems to acknowledge it.14:56.49 
pedro_pc told them originally that we wanted to just rebrand and asked if we could just use the 1.4 SDK and they recommended we do 1.614:57.10 
  not a concrete 'no you can't'14:57.57 
paulgardiner_lap yeah, but given the 5-10k a week, we could have foregone the rebranding if we could have simply put back the old version for sale14:58.38 
pedro_pc if it is on the appstore then the issue is commercial (or the fact that we dont have access to the Picsel partner acount)14:59.16 
  anyway, its meeting time I think15:00.00 
henrys pedro_pc: we can push the point at the meeting if you want.15:00.02 
pedro_pc https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/smart-office-for-good/id555338750?mt=815:01.06 
  henrys: probably worth getting a straight answer if we can15:01.28 
paulgardiner_lap Not used webex before. It's asking for my phone number. Can it not use my mic?15:02.54 
jogux_mac paul> I think there's a "call using pc" or something15:03.12 
  but if you're doing full screen sharing a phone may avoid any audio breakups due to bandwidth issues15:03.38 
pedro_pc paul: did you use the conference link or the webex link?15:03.43 
jogux_mac ah, possibly ignore me ;-)15:03.54 
pedro_pc webex appears to have taken out my mouse - be there in a mo.15:05.39 
chrisl Hmm, my brand new Fedora Core 20 VM install just ate itself doing an update - what a PITA :-(15:24.44 
rayjj well, my patch fixes a few things, but a segfault showed up with tests_private/pdf/sumatra/693097_-_knockout_memory_overwrite.pdf15:30.43 
  at least I can reproduce it on windows :-/15:31.07 
henrys pedro_pc, paulgardiner_lap I hope this show isn't holding him phoning the engineer.15:34.27 
pedro_pc :)15:34.47 
  sounds to me like theres no reason for any revenue hold-up15:35.05 
  for legacy customers at least15:35.32 
  henrys: if its such a pain for them to do fix things then they could just give us the contact details for all the existing customers and issue new apps via Artifex partner group. A bit of a pain but this is taking ages...15:43.02 
henrys pedro_pc: changing the direction of this sort of person is usually disastrous15:50.06 
pedro_pc can have him taken out15:50.21 
Robin_Watts pedro_pc: This channel is logged :)15:50.46 
pedro_pc : meant "for drinks"...15:51.00 
Robin_Watts Hmm.15:51.56 
  One might reasonably think that encode_color and decode_color should be complementary operations :)15:52.18 
pedro_pc wonders if I can take over his whiteboard session and just add myself into the partner group like I did for Paul on Artifex's...15:52.48 
Robin_Watts decode 0x1122334455667788 and then encode it again, and cups gives 0x221144336655887715:53.17 
henrys pedro_pc: I'll stall him with a question while you break in ;-)15:53.34 
pedro_pc :)15:53.39 
  robin: round-trip conversion is overrated15:56.46 
Robin_Watts Usually, I am stupidly nosey, and very keen to be included on every business phone call possible.16:02.22 
henrys we've broken an hour and I don't feel wiser16:02.31 
kens ?me is happy not to be included in this one16:02.48 
Robin_Watts Oddly, I'm thinking I made the right decision by skipping this particular interaction16:02.50 
Robin_Watts does a tor and drops his laptop.16:04.55 
pedro_pc that was fun16:16.20 
paulgardiner_lap Ah damn! I've chewed off all the fingers from my right hand without noticing16:16.46 
pedro_pc anyway, it seems like we're doing all the right stuff, just on the wrong account16:16.54 
  paulgardiner_laptop: its ok, they'll grow back eventually16:17.17 
paulgardiner_lap I wonder about outstanding revenue16:17.30 
henrys It was ploy to guarantee we'll never schedule a meeting with him again. clever16:17.48 
pedro_pc success on his part.16:18.01 
jogux_mac wonders which city/country the engineer is in :-)16:18.17 
pedro_pc Probably worth chasing up with Brad about revene on the basis that the existing app should still be live, deployable by existing customers and functional16:18.44 
paulgardiner_lap Yes exactly16:19.01 
henrys jogux_mac: sunnyvale ca - probably a shortage of engineers again16:19.15 
paulgardiner_lap We can probably request records even if they aren't avaiable via that interface16:19.34 
kens You cold send Ray round next time :-)16:19.34 
henrys jogux_mac: oh you mean the person who can actually help us.16:19.52 
pedro_pc if Good are brokering the deals then they will have access to all the info and (presumably) all payments go through them16:19.59 
jogux_mac henrys: yes ;-)16:19.59 
paulgardiner_lap The 5-10k a week may not be lost, just sitting with them, although I guess we were mainly talking about new deals16:25.12 
  One thing I've only just relised is confusing me, if the development versions are also managed through that interface, why do we need to set up two servers of our own for testing? Do you get that Pete?16:26.30 
pedro_pc that's just the app registration - we still need the GC / GP to manage users and issue access keys16:37.51 
  the partner portal pushes app details to the NOC16:39.03 
  basically the partner portal handles most of the "Manage Applications" part of the GC UI *if* you're a Good Partner16:41.22 
  (a fact that wasn't clear until we got an Artifex account, by which time we'd burned a fair amount of effort trying to get things working through the GC...)16:42.52 
paulgardiner_lap ah I see16:43.11 
pedro_pc its possible for an enterprise to develop its own corporate apps and have them deployed purely through their own GC(s) rather than using the Partner portal to sell them to other copanies16:44.42 
  or companies16:44.47 
paulgardiner_lap So with access to the old account would we be able to do without our own servers? Or do we still need them for key issue?16:46.42 
kens chrisl I'#m not sure how much use it is, but the error in that font is in gs_ttf.ps, /is2byte called from /findname. It appears to try and decide whether its a 2 byte font based on (somehow) a name record. But it only has 4 entries in the packed array, and the value its pulling out is 33, so it gets an error.16:58.34 
  Looks like that isn't the whole sotry though17:00.08 
chrisl kens: I thought /findname was only for use with Postscript fonts.....17:00.10 
kens chrisl its used (and defined) inside gs_ttf.ps17:00.29 
chrisl I must be thinking of another, similar function17:00.49 
kens THere may be another one with the same name of course ;-)17:01.02 
  I did a quick hack to get past the problem, but it didn't work anyway, just went wrong further on17:01.20 
  Oh, but if I hack it so is2byte returns 'false' then the file works properly17:01.56 
rayjj Wow. Bug 692242 page 8 is a definite progression with my patch -- didn't look like it, but now we match Adobe17:02.39 
kens All I did was test the value returned by getu16 in /is2byte, and if its 3 or less I use the existing code, if its not I returned false17:02.46 
  chrisl it sort of looks like its trying to determine an encoding, but I'm far from certain.17:03.27 
kens will leave it to Chris if that's ok17:03.35 
chrisl Sure, I'll take a quick look on the plane17:03.50 
  Along with the new feature request.... which I think could be a bit of a nightmare17:04.27 
kens It looks like it might actually be fairly easy,I just don't understand what the PostScript code is up to here. Possibly a TT refrence and a copy of ttfdump would be useful17:04.28 
  Well I think the feature request is dumb17:04.43 
  Don't add substitutes to the substitution table if the font you are substituting with doesn't exist. How hard is that to understand ?17:05.11 
chrisl Well, it's not totally illogical - I think the way it works now is bonkers......17:05.32 
  It's also not the same as how the *font* substitution works, IIRC17:06.07 
kens Consistency ? We've heard of that.....17:06.20 
chrisl I believe it was mentioned at some point!17:06.53 
kens chrisl I've assigned that bug to you and written some drivel about what I found in the thread17:08.57 
chrisl kens: okay, thanks17:09.15 
kens ANd now, I'm off for dinner, see you all tomorrow or Sunday/Monday for the US residents.17:09.37 
  Night all17:09.38 
chrisl nite kens 17:09.43 
  So, for the second time, Fedora core 20 ate itself - I give up......17:16.14 
marcosw chrisl_away: for the logs, package just arrived for you.20:29.29 
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