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| erinaceus_1 | Hi, I'm trying to combine multiple pdf files into one, but one of the pages was scanned upside down. I've tried rotating this page using pdftk, the system now shows it rotate, but gs still includes it upside down. Do i have to tell gs to rotate the page manually? | 07:32.42 |
| kens | No, it should honour the /Rotate in the documet, but without seeing the document, and knowing the command line you are using, I can't tell. Possibly you have left /AutoRotatePages at its default se4tting ? | 07:33.35 |
| | By the way, note that unlike pdftk, the GS pdfwrite device doesn't 'combine' PDFs, it creates a brand new PDF from the inptu sources; it should look the same, but that's all, it won't have any of the original PDF data contained in it | 07:34.45 |
| erinaceus_1 | Ok, might be my fault. I tried it with the 'pdftk "list" output cat output.pdf' command now and it worked. | 07:36.52 |
| | That's good to know, but not a problem in my case. | 07:37.07 |
| kens | I don't know pdftk, but if its working, then all is fine | 07:37.26 |
| erinaceus_1 | Well, i'm out of here again, thx for the help. Have a nice day. | 07:38.06 |
| kens | NP bb | 07:38.12 |
| jogux_ | good morning all | 08:25.07 |
| | so... new version of smartoffice for iOS appears to be live on the appstore | 08:25.08 |
| kens | Hi jogux | 08:25.15 |
| jogux_ | paulgardiner: so - iOS app now live. lots of nice reports in crashlytics ;-) [from a quick check none obviously relate to anything we know changed] | 08:31.00 |
| paulgardiner | Yes. I guess we should expect crashlytics to show up some problems | 08:32.28 |
| jogux | luckly the thing that it's very good at is quickly showing us which ones are having the most impact | 08:33.27 |
| paulgardiner | Can't be sure these aren't new problems, but no reason to think they are until we see reviews saying otherwise | 08:33.32 |
| jogux | it's a shame the forums aren't ready. (they're not, right?) | 08:35.47 |
| | I guess someone should let miles etc know, and check they're happy with my 'what's new' text etc? | 08:36.55 |
| | annoying biggest crash so far is somewhere in the guts of sqlite (though it's possible it could be a problem in how it's being called) | 08:38.36 |
| paulgardiner | Forums must be close. What was left to do? | 08:38.40 |
| jogux | I'm not sure :-S | 08:39.39 |
| paulgardiner | I'll email Ron | 08:40.04 |
| kens | Robin_Watts : ping | 08:51.39 |
| Robin_Watts | pong | 09:08.10 |
| kens | Robin_Watts : did you try using visualGDB with a VMware instance ? | 09:08.26 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: Using the quickdebug stuff? yes. | 09:09.15 |
| kens | Hmm, what's the quickdebug stuff ? I started off following teh tutorial, but I can't get it to ssh to my VM | 09:09.44 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: Debug => QuickDebug with GDB | 09:10.20 |
| kens | Hmm, ok le tme try that. | 09:10.28 |
| | Crumbs. What did you put in as the program to debug ? Did you mount the VM volume as a share ? | 09:11.19 |
| Robin_Watts | My settings are: | 09:11.32 |
| | Debug a linux app on: root@192.168.196.1 | 09:11.46 |
| | Program to debug: /root/repos/sot.git/test2/page-view | 09:12.00 |
| kens | Hmm interesting IP address, how did you come up with it ? | 09:12.06 |
| Robin_Watts | Arguments: 72 /root/123.pdf /tmp | 09:12.10 |
| | kens: That's the address of my VM. | 09:12.22 |
| kens | Umm, mine says its 192.168.198.128 and I can't ssh to it | 09:12.37 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: Can you ssh to your VM from putty? | 09:12.52 |
| kens | No | 09:12.57 |
| | I can't ssh to it from anywhere | 09:13.05 |
| chrisl | You probably need to install and enable the ssh server, and possibly allow it via the firewall | 09:13.10 |
| Robin_Watts | oh, right, well, solving that has to be the first thing then. | 09:13.13 |
| kens | ANd yes, I've started sshd | 09:13.13 |
| | Firewall, hmm could be that. | 09:13.41 |
| Robin_Watts | Also, you need to set up the .ssh dir with an appropriate authorized_keys | 09:14.08 |
| chrisl | What type of networking do you have in the VM? | 09:14.11 |
| kens | chrisl no idea | 09:14.20 |
| | chrisl NAT | 09:14.35 |
| | 'share the host's IP address' | 09:14.48 |
| chrisl | That might be the problem...... | 09:15.02 |
| kens | I csan ping the IP adress from WIndows, so I think its probably OK | 09:15.24 |
| Robin_Watts | i'm using NAT. | 09:15.25 |
| kens | The Linux firewall says SSH is trusted | 09:15.39 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: Do you have an ssh dir? | 09:15.48 |
| kens | I doubt it | 09:15.53 |
| chrisl | I tend to use bridged..... so the VM appears on the network as a separate machine | 09:16.00 |
| kens | Robin_Watts : yes it seems I do have a .ssh directory | 09:16.21 |
| chrisl | If you just ssh into the VM, you shouldn't need the ssh keys, it should just ask for a password | 09:16.31 |
| kens | has 'identity' and 'known_hosts' | 09:16.39 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: Anything in it? What permissions? | 09:16.39 |
| kens | identity is -rw------- | 09:17.05 |
| | known_hosts is -rw-r--r-- | 09:17.21 |
| Robin_Watts | The .shh dir itself must be drwx------ | 09:17.32 |
| kens | Its not, its drwxrwxr-x | 09:18.13 |
| Robin_Watts | That is a problem. | 09:18.35 |
| kens | Well I can change it, but I'm not sure that's the trouble | 09:18.50 |
| Robin_Watts | AIUI, the sshd refuses to work on any account where the .ssh dir has the incorrect settings. | 09:19.25 |
| kens | Oh if I try to ssh from mingw I get a 'bad file number' error | 09:19.37 |
| | Robin_Watts : I can ssh to 'localhost' from the VM itself | 09:19.55 |
| Robin_Watts | or it might be that it refuses to honour any settings files in a dir with the wrong permissions. | 09:20.06 |
| kens | But not to its IP address | 09:20.09 |
| Robin_Watts | chmod 700 .ssh | 09:20.12 |
| kens | OK let me resatrt sshd | 09:20.40 |
| | No still can't ssh | 09:21.16 |
| jogux | kens : what error? | 09:21.19 |
| kens | jogux, what context ? | 09:21.42 |
| jogux | or rather 'how does it fail'? | 09:21.50 |
| kens | In mingw it gives me a bad file number, oh I hust got a password prompt in the VM, hold on | 09:22.16 |
| | Ah, *now* I cna login to the IP adress from the VM itself | 09:22.41 |
| | Let me try visual GDB again | 09:22.52 |
| | or better yet putty | 09:22.58 |
| | If it takes as long as the VM did this may take some time | 09:23.30 |
| | putty gave me a network error 'connection timed out' | 09:23.53 |
| chrisl | Maybe try switching the VM to bridged networking, just to eliminate that? | 09:24.31 |
| kens | Yeah, give me a minute, that'll mean a restart | 09:24.45 |
| chrisl | Yeh, it will, obviously, also change the IP address.... | 09:25.02 |
| kens | hopes that doesn't break anything else :-) | 09:25.02 |
| | Yep, I'll have to find that again, no big deal | 09:25.15 |
| chrisl | It should be invisible to the VM | 09:25.19 |
| kens | Famous last words :-) | 09:25.46 |
| Robin_Watts | rather than using putty, use plink. | 09:25.48 |
| kens | OK, is there a reason ? | 09:26.01 |
| Robin_Watts | plink -vv root@192.168.192.134: | 09:26.03 |
| | That gives lots of debugging about how it's trying to connect. | 09:26.16 |
| chrisl | hates using "root"....... | 09:26.21 |
| kens | OK bear with me a minute, need to find IP adress and such | 09:26.31 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: Likewise, but this is a simple build box. | 09:26.35 |
| kens | OK so I can see it on the main network now, that's a start | 09:27.02 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: just showing my Unix background..... | 09:27.02 |
| kens | plink says unkown option -vv | 09:27.30 |
| Robin_Watts | sorry, single v. | 09:27.44 |
| chrisl | mu-ism? | 09:27.57 |
| Robin_Watts | mmm :) | 09:28.03 |
| kens | up to 'connecting to 192.168.0.16 port 22 | 09:28.08 |
| | D'oh probably helps if you start the sshd | 09:28.26 |
| chrisl | It should start on bootup | 09:28.37 |
| kens | Nope. | 09:28.43 |
| chrisl | Hmm, that's..... odd | 09:28.54 |
| kens | Well I say that, if I tell ti to start it says 'starting sshd: [OK]' | 09:29.37 |
| chrisl | http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s2-ssh-configuration-sshd.html | 09:29.55 |
| kens | Robin_Watts : plink gives me a network error: connection timed out | 09:29.55 |
| chrisl | kens: but you can ping the new IP address? | 09:30.14 |
| kens | chrisl yes that's where I got the info I'm using, I just haven't sert it up to auto-start yet | 09:30.23 |
| | chrisl yes | 09:30.25 |
| Robin_Watts | That smells like a firewall. | 09:30.41 |
| jogux | I'm amazed ping isn't blocked tbh :-) | 09:30.57 |
| kens | My Windows firewall is currently disabled, so its not that | 09:30.58 |
| Robin_Watts | I'd be tempted to try telnetting to port 22. | 09:30.58 |
| | firewall on the linux box, I meant. | 09:31.10 |
| mattchz | I presume mupdf is still the priority this week? | 09:31.22 |
| kens | Well the Linux firewall says ssh is trusted, which I *assume* means its ok | 09:31.28 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: Can you disable the firewall momentarily? | 09:31.48 |
| kens | sdisables the firewall | 09:31.52 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: I think mupdf is the priority until the obvious bugs are fixed. | 09:32.13 |
| chrisl | The firewall is probably not necessary anyway, given how often kens runs linux! | 09:32.21 |
| kens | aha, *now* it works :-( | 09:32.21 |
| chrisl | So maybe ssh is "trusted" for outgoing connections? | 09:32.39 |
| Robin_Watts | maybe it's sshd that need to be trusted? | 09:32.53 |
| kens | chrisl it must be something like that, | 09:32.56 |
| | I'll go look at the firewall man page, thanks folks | 09:33.07 |
| Robin_Watts | or maybe it means "ssh can be used with trusted connections" | 09:33.10 |
| chrisl | kens: what version of Fedora are you running? | 09:34.18 |
| kens | Not sure. | 09:34.24 |
| | remind me how to tell ? | 09:34.38 |
| chrisl | "cat /etc/issue" maybe? | 09:35.05 |
| kens | Well about says its Linux kernel 2.6.35.14-106.fc14.i686 | 09:35.30 |
| chrisl | or "cat /etc/fedora-release" | 09:35.37 |
| | well, that suggests fc 14.... | 09:35.46 |
| kens | Fedora release 14 (Laughlin) | 09:36.02 |
| chrisl | Hmm, the hits I get are for 13 :-( | 09:36.36 |
| kens | I found some stuff about configuring it, going to give it a try | 09:36.55 |
| | Well it seems now that it works anyway, no idea why because hte firewall is back on. | 09:39.41 |
| kens | is thoroughly confused. | 09:39.48 |
| | Wow, seems to be working, how nice.... | 09:43.06 |
| | coffee time | 09:45.30 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: So how's the speed? | 10:20.39 |
| kens | Robin_Watts : its pretty good, I think I've found *a* bug already, which is way better than I would have managed using ddd | 10:21.03 |
| Robin_Watts | excellent. | 10:21.12 |
| kens | WHich version did you buy ? | 10:21.13 |
| | custom or ultimate or Linux ? | 10:21.22 |
| Robin_Watts | I bought the top one, cos I needed android and linux. | 10:21.27 |
| kens | Yeah I figured that | 10:21.34 |
| | Given I know nothing about Andreoid, I may go for 'custom' | 10:21.53 |
| | My major problem at the moment is figuring out how to fix the bug I actually can see..... | 10:23.00 |
| Robin_Watts | The "quickdebug" feature is the one that I figure will be most useful to you, so custom would seem appropriate. | 10:23.10 |
| kens | THis is code Ray wrote to do the 1 file per page output | 10:23.17 |
| | Robin_Watts : yeah, I can probably use the 'project' approach, but..... | 10:23.31 |
| | quick debug is easy :-) | 10:23.41 |
| | aha, nice, pdfwrite *does* set the 'is_open' flag properly in the device structure, so I can use that to avoid this error I think. | 10:24.57 |
| paulgardiner | jogux: shocking number of different places that SO2 is crashing. | 10:43.04 |
| jogux | paulgardiner: to be honest, I can't say I'm entirely surprised. | 10:43.30 |
| | there were definitely crashes in the last version too, looking at that was the first time I've ever seen crash stats in itunesconnect. | 10:43.50 |
| | at least now we know where they are and can pick off the biggest wins. | 10:44.17 |
| paulgardiner | Yeah, crashlytics will be a godsend | 10:44.35 |
| | I mean there is some chance at least of fixing these things when you have a clue where they are | 10:45.12 |
| jogux | I'll try and look into some of them in the background. Might be good to knock out a new release with the worst of them fixed in a few weeks. | 10:45.39 |
| paulgardiner | Yeah great if you think you have time. | 10:45.58 |
| jogux | I may need to switch off my email notifications :-) | 10:46.44 |
| paulgardiner | is wondering whether his looking at the Android SOG build may turn out not best done while Pete is away. | 10:47.21 |
| jogux | you can always email pete questions; he was online/working earlier I think | 10:47.55 |
| paulgardiner | jogux: I've had to add a new .procmail line to give Crashlytics it's own folder. :-) | 10:48.01 |
| jogux | :) | 10:48.12 |
| mattchz | paulgardiner/robin_watts: mind looking at the latest two patches here please? http://git.ghostscript.com/?p=user/matt/mupdf.git;a=summary | 11:34.25 |
| tor8 | mattchz: both look reasonable to me | 11:36.26 |
| mattchz | tor8: awesome, thanks! | 11:41.40 |
| paulgardiner | mattchz: TapImage was created because the number of menu items we have is too many for that number of buttons to fit in the top bar on a phone in portrait mode | 11:41.44 |
| | mattchz: does this option still allow them to fit? | 11:42.08 |
| mattchz | yep | 11:42.17 |
| | Iâve done the same thing, but used a UIButton/ | 11:42.26 |
| paulgardiner | Excellent. How does that work then? | 11:42.33 |
| | Oh I see | 11:42.38 |
| mattchz | paul: well, TapImage was an imageview that you wrapped into a Custom UIBarButtonItem. | 11:43.12 |
| | and contained a tap handler. | 11:43.23 |
| | Iâve just wrapped a UIButton into a Custom UIBarButtonItem instead. | 11:43.36 |
| | The UIButton has all the clever ios 7 autotinting stuff. | 11:43.52 |
| paulgardiner | Nice | 11:44.10 |
| mattchz | I wonder if we should consider rethinking the UI though, as it is very hard to tap those buttons | 11:44.36 |
| paulgardiner | Yeah. At the moment we are making iOS and Android consistent, but making the two work differently but more in keeping with the specific OS might be better. | 11:45.51 |
| tor8 | mattchz: I've mentioned my preference for a drop-down menu with text instead of a row of cryptic icons before | 11:45.51 |
| jogux | the UI's a bit non-IOSy anyway really :) | 11:45.57 |
| tor8 | it made sense with icons when there were a grand total of 3 buttons (search, bookmarks, back-to-library) | 11:46.26 |
| | but both the android and iOS UI's are a bit cryptic now, especially if you aren't familiar with it and are afraid to break stuff by clicking on mystery buttons | 11:47.09 |
| | like most non-techies are... | 11:47.21 |
| mattchz | yeah. we should possibly look at the new Android material design stuff | 11:47.47 |
| | the big difficulty I always seem to have with designing iOS UIs is the lack of a standard âmenuâ control. | 11:48.21 |
| | Iâm never sure how to solve that problem, other than by dropping functionality. | 11:48.35 |
| | s/iOS/iPhone/ | 11:49.04 |
| tor8 | well, dropping functionality is definitely the Apple way ;) | 11:49.14 |
| mattchz | ;) | 11:49.28 |
| tor8 | or hiding it well | 11:49.34 |
| | like how to search on a page in iOS Safari... you have to enter the search in the URL bar and then after you hit enter you get an option to search on the page | 11:49.56 |
| | I only know that, because I had to google it... | 11:50.07 |
| jogux | oh, neat :) | 11:50.27 |
| tor8 | I mean, WTF were they thinking? if *I* can't even find it, how do they expect their usual users to do it? | 11:51.03 |
| | one of the most common things to do is hidden away, but sharing on facebook and tweeting are given their own toolbar buttons.... ridiculous. | 11:52.09 |
| | </rant> | 11:52.11 |
| mattchz | mm | 11:53.04 |
| | this one boggled me this morning: http://osxdaily.com/2014/03/31/detect-displays-mac-os-x/ | 11:53.33 |
| paulgardiner | The sad thing is that sharing on facebook or tweeting is probably more common | 11:53.34 |
| mattchz | I mean, thereâs no good reason at all to hide that button afaics | 11:53.56 |
| | I get it with the menu items, as you know to try pressing alt to see if there are more options. | 11:54.45 |
| | I never realised before that they did that with buttons in a dialog | 11:54.54 |
| tor8 | mattchz: that's uncommon enough (alt in menus) that I never remember to try it. I just assume that if it's not shown, I can't do it. | 11:55.21 |
| | then again, I stopped using Apple products (for these reasons and others) a while ago... | 11:56.32 |
| mattchz | overall, I really like the Mac. | 11:56.49 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: Eh? What? Alt gives you more options in a menu? | 11:56.55 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: yup. and it changes some menu items as well (from Save to Save As... etc) | 11:57.14 |
| Robin_Watts | gawd. And I thought MS Office was bad. | 11:57.28 |
| mattchz | tbf, itâs mostly power user stuff thatâs hidden away. | 11:57.42 |
| tor8 | mattchz: then there should be a permanent "I'm a Power User" option in the control panel, IMO | 11:58.10 |
| mattchz | mm | 11:58.17 |
| tor8 | like windows is doing with their Metro vs Desktop crap in Win8 | 11:58.34 |
| mattchz | If you alt while viewing the apple menu, you notice Logout⦠changes to Logout | 11:58.44 |
| | i.e. it skips teh confirmation screen | 11:59.02 |
| sebras | tor8: isn't the reason for this strange search invocation that they moved searching the internet to use the addressbar and now they want all search to look the same..? | 11:59.20 |
| Robin_Watts | Bugger. My right eye is playing up again. I have an appointment to have my eyes photographed tomorrow. | 11:59.29 |
| sebras | tor8: not that I agree with it of course. | 11:59.30 |
| mattchz | alt on the volume control âsystem trayâ thing is very useful for quickly changing the input/output devices. | 11:59.43 |
| Robin_Watts | I should be back in time for the meeting, but if I'm late, that's why. | 11:59.45 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: what's the problem? | 12:00.22 |
| Robin_Watts | blurred patch across the bottom of my right eye. It's like having a smear on my glasses. | 12:00.46 |
| chrisl | Hmm, that must be really annoying :-( Hope it's something simple..... | 12:01.22 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: me too. I fear it may be another bleed (can't see why though) | 12:01.55 |
| | in which case, I suspect it will be "nothing we can do, just wait to see if it resolves". which will take 3 months or so. | 12:02.20 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: I had blurry vision in one eye a few years ago, and that was an infection - but it affected the entire view | 12:03.00 |
| Robin_Watts | After last time, I'm hypersensitive about stuff like this. | 12:03.21 |
| chrisl | Yeh, wearing contacts, I'm pretty careful about it, too | 12:03.50 |
| mattchz | robin_watts: boo :( | 12:04.26 |
| | is it sore/ | 12:04.28 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: No. | 12:04.34 |
| paulgardiner | Best to be hypersensitive. Let the experts confirm it's nothing to worry about. | 12:04.48 |
| Robin_Watts | although psychosomatically it will now become so. | 12:04.53 |
| mattchz | robin_watts: must be bloody annoying though. | 12:05.11 |
| | well, woot. we seem to manage to get some tickets for the opening ceremony of the games | 12:06.18 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: So you can marvel at the tartan loveliness of the scottish uniforms. | 12:09.03 |
| chrisl | Ick :-( | 12:09.14 |
| mattchz | robin_watts: :) | 12:10.18 |
| chrisl | I wonder if the English team will be dressed as morris dancers...... | 12:10.27 |
| mattchz | Iâm hoping for full size bucky bottle costumed dancers, and a choreographed ned fight. | 12:11.25 |
| chrisl | Synchronized razor gangs? | 12:12.54 |
| mattchz | something like that, yeah | 12:13.34 |
| | Thereâs a new iOS build on TestFlight, btw. | 12:17.20 |
| | I guess failing any further bugs, thisâll be the one we send to apple | 12:17.31 |
| | if anyone is able to test airprint that would be grand :) | 12:20.08 |
| jogux | mattchz : that fixes the bug with the icons I saw anyway | 12:23.20 |
| | did you change the airprint code? | 12:23.30 |
| mattchz | no; just realised Iâd never tried it. | 12:23.41 |
| | seems to work with the airprint sim anyway | 12:23.50 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: mattchz: there's a mupdf fix on tor/master for review | 12:45.00 |
| | mattchz: could you please run 'touch git-daemon-export-ok' in your git repository on casper? | 12:45.19 |
| mattchz | tor8: sure, whatâs that do? | 12:45.57 |
| tor8 | lets me 'git fetch' using the git:// protocol | 12:46.07 |
| | which is much faster than ssh | 12:46.12 |
| mattchz | ah, neat. done. | 12:46.32 |
| tor8 | mattchz: fab, thanks | 12:46.40 |
| mattchz | tor8: just going to get some lunch, then Iâll look at your patch | 12:47.22 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: seems reasonable. Will do nasty things with filenames with hex hashes in though. | 12:55.25 |
| mattchz | I presume itâs just within the CBZ zip archive, so thatâs not a case? | 12:57.50 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: mattchz: yeah, just the internal sorting of files in a CBZ archive | 12:58.19 |
| | Robin_Watts: if you use hex digits in a CBZ you deserve whatever sorting order you get :) | 12:59.05 |
| mattchz | tor8: looks great, anyway. | 13:00.11 |
| tor8 | thanks. | 13:00.52 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: I mention this just because I have been getting annoyed with windows sorting patch-<SHA>.zip in odd ways for the past few days. | 13:01.33 |
| mattchz | thereâs the risk of overflow, I guess, but anyone who names their files with stupidly large numbers gets what they deserve as well :) | 13:01.35 |
| tor8 | mattchz: shouldn't be risk of overflow, the strings are zero-terminated. | 13:02.15 |
| mattchz | I mean integer overflow | 13:02.22 |
| tor8 | mattchz: ah, right. yes, well, that's not something I'll worry about. | 13:02.40 |
| mattchz | indeed. | 13:02.52 |
| Robin_Watts | is reexposed to the File_write/File_writeDone insanity. What were we thinking? | 13:05.54 |
| jogux | Robin_watts : I want to add a File_writeBlock. I then (not necessarily at the same time) want to change FileFss to support that and hence remove the unnecessary allocation/memcpy. | 13:07.00 |
| | I think I already wrote a File_writeBlock, but it's private somewhere. | 13:07.19 |
| Robin_Watts | yeah, I remember. | 13:08.11 |
| jogux | writeBuffer, epage/rendering/libraries/wasp/common/bitmap-exp.c . I think we should make that part of the filesystem external API. | 13:08.31 |
| jogux | gets SO2 to run in Robin's vs2010 solution. woot. | 13:12.09 |
| Robin_Watts | woo hoo! | 13:12.24 |
| jogux | now I just need to learn/relearn how to use VS2010 ;) | 13:12.39 |
| | and understand how this code is meant to work | 13:12.59 |
| | some of these SO2 crashes in crashlytics smell of heap corruption :-( | 13:13.23 |
| paulgardiner | jogux: that would explain the great number of different places where it occurs | 13:26.39 |
| jogux | paul: there's plenty of real bugs too :-) | 13:27.03 |
| paulgardiner | they I mean | 13:27.04 |
| jogux | does vs2010 have a feature like xcode's quick open? ie. press a key combo, enter part of a function name, it shows a list of matches and you can jump to one? | 13:33.31 |
| Robin_Watts | jogux: Urm... | 13:33.56 |
| kens | I think there's something like that, not quite the asme perhaps | 13:34.08 |
| Robin_Watts | In the solution explorer panel on the left, choose "ClassView" | 13:35.49 |
| | and then try in the search box there? | 13:35.55 |
| | Ctrl-Shift-C then enter into the search box. | 13:37.03 |
| jogux | that's close enough I guess. thanks :-) | 13:39.46 |
| jogux | wonders if 2013 is much better | 13:40.03 |
| Robin_Watts | The actual UI hasn't really changed since 2005 as far as I can tell. | 13:41.50 |
| mattchz | apart from the shouty menus! | 13:43.08 |
| kens | THe 'flat' all caps ones you mean ? | 13:43.32 |
| mattchz | yeah | 13:43.40 |
| kens | and the delightful choice of colour schemes; ugly and very ugly | 13:43.50 |
| jogux | they must've made some changes to make a developer's life easier/faster/whatever. surely. :) | 13:46.42 |
| rayjj | morning, all | 14:04.15 |
| Robin_Watts | Morning rayjj. | 14:04.34 |
| rayjj | done with "vacation". Now time to rest up, working :-) | 14:04.42 |
| | I guess I missed kens | 14:05.03 |
| Robin_Watts | rayjj: I suspect he'll be back in a bit. | 14:05.25 |
| | I'd guess network outage as he didn't say "bye". | 14:05.48 |
| rayjj | kens: (for the logs) Thanks for finding/fixing that pdf_close issue | 14:05.55 |
| henrys | rayjj: welcome back rayjj | 14:06.04 |
| rayjj | henrys: thanks | 14:06.10 |
| Robin_Watts | henrys: as per the logs, I may be late to the meeting tomorrow. Got an opticians appointment to see what's going on in my right eye. | 14:06.32 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: oh I havenât looked yet. Are you okay? Is this related to the migraines? | 14:07.04 |
| Robin_Watts | henrys: no, unrelated to migraine. I have a blurred patch in my right eye. It's in the periphery, just like having a smudge on your glasses. | 14:07.46 |
| | It's just "annoying" at this stage, and possibly I'm being hyper sensitive over it after the last time I had a bleed, but I'd like to get it checked before I go on holiday. | 14:08.56 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: I was just going to say that must be very annoying | 14:09.14 |
| kens | rayjj Hi, that pdf_close one was 'interesting' :-) It was a lot better to find using the VisualGDB tool because it wouldn't fail on WIndows | 14:19.27 |
| rayjj | kens: surprising that it didn't fail on Wiindoze. | 14:31.35 |
| kens | Surprised me, certainly | 14:31.47 |
| rayjj | I think I need to get coffee. bbiab. | 14:33.16 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: OK, it's that time you've been longing for... | 14:40.09 |
| | there is an Image component review on robin/master | 14:40.20 |
| tor8 | henrys: http://ghostscript.com/~tor/stuff/metrics.zip there's the archive with lists of glyphs and metrics for URW | 14:41.25 |
| henrys | tor8:okay thanks Iâll get it to them today | 14:41.57 |
| Robin_Watts | wonders if mattchz has run away screaming. | 14:46.28 |
| kens | thinks he's ignoring robin and hoping he'll go away "la la la...." | 14:46.57 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: I need to talk about the next steps in this work too. | 14:47.05 |
| jogux | robin_watts: he's busy playing with his android wear watch ;) | 14:49.08 |
| Robin_Watts | hi mattchz | 14:50.32 |
| mattchz | hiya | 14:50.49 |
| | sorry about that. | 14:50.51 |
| | just playing with the new office toy | 14:50.57 |
| Robin_Watts | np. | 14:50.58 |
| mattchz | wonders if I have access to the SOT tree. | 14:51.34 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: If you can commit to mupdf, you have :) | 14:51.59 |
| mattchz | where is it? | 14:52.07 |
| Robin_Watts | git clone matt@ghostscript.com:/home/git-private/sot.git | 14:52.32 |
| mattchz | ah, no web interface? | 14:52.38 |
| Robin_Watts | not currently, no. | 14:52.47 |
| mattchz | np | 14:52.59 |
| Robin_Watts | My private repo is @ghostscript.com:/home/robin/sauce/sot.git | 14:53.16 |
| | while that clone is running, I'll talk you through the problem... | 14:53.45 |
| mattchz | ok | 14:53.51 |
| Robin_Watts | alex added a PDF export function to SOT. | 14:54.03 |
| | That outputs based on the display lists. | 14:54.20 |
| mattchz | ok. is this related to the getting source stuff? | 14:54.31 |
| Robin_Watts | whenever it hits an Image it claims the bitmaps and recompresses them as flate. | 14:54.42 |
| | yeah. | 14:54.43 |
| | my change is to make it so that we can get the Image_source, pull the data out and output that. | 14:55.04 |
| | The commit I have online works for JPEGs. | 14:55.23 |
| mattchz | np | 14:55.28 |
| Robin_Watts | it would be nice to do other image types too though. | 14:55.41 |
| | like (say) Fax and JBIG2K. | 14:56.01 |
| mattchz | ok | 14:56.18 |
| | pdfi presumably. | 14:56.27 |
| Robin_Watts | but to do those ones we need to get access to the meta information for each image. | 14:56.28 |
| | pdfi is flate compressed essentially, so the recompression of that doesn't bother me so much. | 14:56.56 |
| | but yes, if we could neatly get the original info, that would be nicer too. | 14:57.14 |
| | The way those work inside the image component currently is that you have an image source (which is the stream), plus a 'meta function' for pulling out the other bits of information (like bits per component, and 'blackis1' etc). | 14:58.35 |
| | When we pull the source out of Image, all we can currently see is "is there a meta function or not?" | 14:59.01 |
| mattchz | ok, so we need a way of enumerating all the meta data? | 14:59.14 |
| Robin_Watts | Either we need to let the meta data function out, or we need to pull it out into a structure or something, yes. | 14:59.53 |
| mattchz | so presumably this is always saving out images that were already in an existing pdf | 15:00.22 |
| Robin_Watts | I wonder if there is scope for Image_meta(handle) that would call the image meta function? | 15:00.25 |
| | yes, that's the use case here. | 15:00.30 |
| | as other formats don't rely on meta stuff. | 15:00.47 |
| mattchz | jogux> is the âartyâ clone on atlas kept up to date? | 15:02.00 |
| jogux | mattchz: nope | 15:02.20 |
| mattchz | ok | 15:02.27 |
| | robin_watts: is the original DA context which provides the metadata fn implementations still available at this point btw? | 15:03.41 |
| | or does it get thrown away after translation? | 15:03.48 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: The metadata lives on. | 15:04.24 |
| mattchz | Does it get copied into the Image Component? | 15:04.42 |
| Robin_Watts | the agent essentially sets up something persistent to keep serving the metadata, I think. | 15:04.48 |
| mattchz | (Sorry, my memory of this still is very vague) | 15:04.50 |
| Robin_Watts | and that is discarded when the Image component closes the last reference to the Image. | 15:05.10 |
| | mattchz: No worries. I've had a couple of days looking at this to refresh my memory :) | 15:06.35 |
| mattchz | :) | 15:07.14 |
| | robin_watts: Image_Decoder_setColourSpace - should that do the locking horribleness that setOrientation does? | 15:14.01 |
| | (in fact, do we ever use async images anymore anyway?) | 15:14.19 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: The plan is that setColorSpace should only ever get called just before setDimensions. | 15:15.33 |
| | and it only affects an imdec internally., | 15:17.10 |
| | so I don't think any locks are required. | 15:17.21 |
| | hmm, but then why does setOrientation need to lock? | 15:17.56 |
| mattchz | right. | 15:18.05 |
| Robin_Watts | curse git blame! | 15:19.40 |
| kens2 | never uses it, its almost always my fault anyway..... | 15:20.24 |
| Robin_Watts | I added the locking, and you reviewed it :) | 15:20.26 |
| mattchz | heh | 15:20.39 |
| jogux | You can always look up the review in the review system :-) (or robin can, anyway) | 15:21.00 |
| Robin_Watts | I can't see why we need it, frankly. | 15:21.05 |
| mattchz | I think, as you say, it should be fine, if itâs called before setDimensions | 15:21.17 |
| | and we never query it extenally. | 15:21.28 |
| Robin_Watts | No helpful comments in the review. | 15:22.06 |
| | OK, 2 failed images in the ATS tests. will look into those... | 15:22.55 |
| mattchz | robin_watts: did you mean to add an extra block in pdf-export-xobject.c | 15:25.35 |
| | ? | 15:25.36 |
| | (minor style thing) | 15:26.02 |
| Robin_Watts | I did. Keeps the variables local. | 15:26.27 |
| mattchz | oh, and missing doxygen blah in PdfExportContext_writeEStream, if it matters | 15:26.42 |
| Robin_Watts | should probably add that. | 15:27.17 |
| | Thanks. | 15:27.23 |
| mattchz | np. | 15:27.58 |
| | all looks good, anyway. | 15:28.02 |
| | robin_watts/paulgardiner/tor8: any thoughts on this? http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693228 | 15:39.39 |
| | Iâve tried the patch. Needs a bit more testing, but seems to work well. | 15:40.00 |
| paulgardiner | mattchz: if a reasonably thorough test shows no problems then it looks worth taking on | 15:42.48 |
| mattchz | cool. Does that guy have a contributor agreement signed? | 15:43.18 |
| Robin_Watts | I can't see the problem he's talking about. | 15:43.35 |
| | I still see the second page at step 6. | 15:43.53 |
| mattchz | I didnât think 6 was the problem. | 15:45.26 |
| | I thought the fact that page didnât move in 10 was the problem. | 15:45.51 |
| kens2 | That seems to be what sebras is saying, yes | 15:46.20 |
| Robin_Watts | right, but "while dragging page two will no longer be visible." I don't follow what that means? | 15:46.29 |
| | Oh, it's sebras! | 15:46.37 |
| Robin_Watts | is inclined to take it seriously then :) | 15:46.53 |
| mattchz | I presume it just means âpan it back off the screen again' | 15:47.04 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: sebras is one of our big contributors :) | 15:47.06 |
| kens2 | The patch isn't from sebras though, its someone else | 15:47.31 |
| mattchz | Yeah, I spoke to him on IIRC before. | 15:47.31 |
| | does he work for Artifex (Sebras?) | 15:47.44 |
| kens2 | Nope, he has a real job.... | 15:47.52 |
| mattchz | heh | 15:48.11 |
| Robin_Watts | kens2: Ahem. a "different" real job :) | 15:48.14 |
| | I have enough trouble trying to persuade my parents that I have a real job... | 15:48.28 |
| kens2 | Robin_Watts : I was quoting my family..... | 15:48.38 |
| Robin_Watts | ah, so you get it too. | 15:48.54 |
| sebras | hi? | 15:48.55 |
| ghostbot | hi is, like, there a way to include mupdf headers in c++ headers? I tried using extern "c" but im always getting "_pdf_obj_read_state_s already defined in ..." | 15:48.57 |
| jogux | wtfs at ghostbot | 15:49.17 |
| Robin_Watts | W.T.F? | 15:49.19 |
| mattchz | indeed | 15:49.23 |
| | wtf | 15:49.25 |
| kens2 | Robin_Watts : all the time :-) Also its something Ian Kemmish used to say too.Along the lines of 'I couldn't go back to a real job...' | 15:49.25 |
| | Oh oh, ghostbot has reached sentience, kill it quick before it activates SkyNet | 15:49.52 |
| sebras | Robin_Watts: I haven't checked the patch. | 15:49.59 |
| Robin_Watts | Ah, the patch is from Michael Cadilhac. ISTR we have had stuff from him before. | 15:50.15 |
| mattchz | sebras: was the only problem in step 10 of http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=693228 | 15:50.39 |
| | ? | 15:50.41 |
| kens2 | ghostbot, are you a real user ? | 15:50.50 |
| mattchz | We were wondering if â6. when your finger reaches the center of the screen drag right. while dragging page two will no longer be visibleâ was a problem, or just an observation | 15:51.05 |
| kens2 | has a Tron moment.... | 15:51.13 |
| mattchz | (sorry, I do realise this was two years ago sebras!) | 15:52.09 |
| Robin_Watts | kens2: addressing ghostbot directly, it does it's usual behaviour, so I wonder if that was just irc going screwy... | 15:52.30 |
| jogux | robin_watts : I'm more wondering if a regexp failed and it used a previous result | 15:52.54 |
| | but I don't even know what language ghostbot is written in :) | 15:53.05 |
| kens2 | Robin_Watts : I guess os, odd that we all saw it. Anyone want to own up to the question about including C++ headers ? | 15:53.05 |
| Robin_Watts | hi? | 15:53.11 |
| ghostbot | well, hi is there a way to include mupdf headers in c++ headers? I tried using extern "c" but im always getting "_pdf_obj_read_state_s already defined in ..." | 15:53.11 |
| sebras | mattchz: let me read the bug. | 15:53.12 |
| Robin_Watts | jogux: You win. | 15:53.19 |
| jogux | robin_watts: :-) | 15:53.27 |
| mattchz | scared me for a minute there ;) | 15:53.40 |
| sebras | kens2: :) | 15:53.41 |
| kens2 | sebras ? | 15:53.57 |
| sebras | kens2: (tron) | 15:54.02 |
| kens2 | ah :-) | 15:54.42 |
| sebras | mattchz: ah, no step #6 is not a problem. | 15:57.53 |
| | mattchz: but step #10 is the problem. | 15:58.05 |
| | mattchz: basically when you enter zoom-mode you loose the ability to pan around on the page. | 15:58.24 |
| | mattchz: or change page. | 15:58.34 |
| Robin_Watts | MCs explanation in the comment sounds very plausible. | 15:58.38 |
| | I don't know the code well enough to have an instant opinion on the patch though. | 15:58.53 |
| | It was paulgardiner's baby at this stage. | 15:59.10 |
| sebras | ghostbot: I guess you need to explain more about your prolem and exactly what headers your are trying to include. | 16:00.01 |
| ghostbot | I think you lost me on that one, sebras | 16:00.01 |
| mattchz | the patch seem to work. I was just going to look at it in my detail. | 16:00.23 |
| | and it does feel more natural behaviour. | 16:00.34 |
| kens2 | ghostbot passes the Pointy-haired boss test.... | 16:00.40 |
| mattchz | sebras: thanks. | 16:00.42 |
| paulgardiner | kens2: :-) | 16:01.43 |
| kens2 | ah, paulgardiner reads the Daily Dilbert | 16:02.00 |
| paulgardiner | kens2: yeah. I thought the last two particularly good | 16:03.04 |
| kens2 | :-) | 16:03.09 |
| | OK I think that's enough for today. | 16:07.36 |
| Robin_Watts | night kens2 | 16:07.52 |
| kens2 | Just a reminder, I'm off on holiday, I'll be back on Wednesday 16th. I hope pdfwrite/PDF interpreter/PS interpreter don't cause any customer problems before then :-) Bye all | 16:08.50 |
| jogux | uhoh. a bug I thought Paul had fixed is our biggest crasher :( | 16:32.13 |
| | paulgardiner: did your shutdown fix not make it into the release? | 16:32.38 |
| | paulgardiner: https://www.crashlytics.com/artifex/ios/apps/com.picsel.smartoffice2/issues/538749d6e3de5099ba450cb1 | 16:32.55 |
| mattchz | has anyone here built the android app with android studio? | 16:43.12 |
| Robin_Watts | MuPDF android app? Not me. I believe paul uses eclipse. | 16:43.36 |
| mattchz | yeah, oh, well. | 16:45.42 |
| | do we have any long term plans to migrate to gradle etc | 16:45.51 |
| | (which is going to replace ant et al) | 16:46.00 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: Do current releases of the sdk work with that? | 16:47.32 |
| mattchz | yeah. Itâs all part of the Android Studio stuff. | 16:47.48 |
| Robin_Watts | Android Studio != sdk. | 16:48.03 |
| mattchz | Iâm not entirely sure where gradle comes from. I think itâs part of the build tools. | 16:48.25 |
| Robin_Watts | I think we want to remain current, but we don't want to require more stuff. | 16:48.36 |
| mattchz | nods. | 16:49.01 |
| Robin_Watts | If the standard SDK tools include gradle, then I don't think we object to moving to it. | 16:49.04 |
| | paulgardiner may object if it breaks eclipse though. | 16:49.12 |
| mattchz | I think it may be possible to import the eclipse project without using gradle. Iâll try that first. | 16:49.38 |
| paulgardiner | jogux: fix seems to be there. Perhaps there is another way in which querySaveViewStateOnShutDn can require the IControl level | 16:50.46 |
| jogux | paulgardiner: odd :-( I'm sure that's the original crashlytics report you found. | 16:51.22 |
| jogux | will look if I ever get out of pptx syling hell. | 16:51.33 |
| paulgardiner | jogux: I think it was very similar but not involving dashboard. But my memory has been known to not always be 100% :-) | 16:52.28 |
| | It was DocumentInfoView_isVisible rather than Dashboard_isVisible if I remember correctly | 16:53.23 |
| jogux | ah. d'oh :( | 16:53.36 |
| | woot. I belive I've identified the bit of code that's going wrong. I still don't know why it's going wrong, but that's a massive leap forward from where I was this morning. | 17:03.38 |
| | I got distracted because the code is doing something crazy, but it turned out it did something crazy before I broke it, so I decided to ignore that part. | 17:04.23 |
| | [for no obvious reason, this ATH script that takes a line with 'bullet 1' on it, and modifies that to be indented more, splits 'bullet 1' into two edr objects as part of the indent change.] | 17:05.19 |
| mattchz | tries Android Studio/Gradle, gives up. | 17:12.34 |
| | seems to want to copy the entire project, so it doesnât look itâs possible to use both side by side. | 17:12.48 |
| jogux | mattchz: might be worth trying at least to the point of seeing if it makes anything less bad? :) | 17:13.25 |
| | I mean, if it has advantages duplicate build settings isn't a showstopper. | 17:13.43 |
| Robin_Watts | If it has advantages, then we could just move over to it. | 17:14.26 |
| | (as long as the basic SDK supports it) | 17:14.37 |
| jogux | I'm off. night all. | 17:14.47 |
| Robin_Watts | night jogux | 17:14.53 |
| mattchz | nods. | 17:14.55 |
| | robin_watts: itâs eventually going to be the main supported approach. | 17:15.15 |
| Robin_Watts | mattchz: I've heard that kind of thing promised before. | 17:15.30 |
| mattchz | Android Studio is very nice compared to Eclipse. | 17:15.44 |
| | however, itâs still early days, and the gradle stuff seems to chagne a lot. Possibly better now AS is finally in beta. | 17:16.09 |
| Robin_Watts | I would be tempted to wait for it to stabilise then. | 17:16.36 |
| | google have a habit of screwing up build systems (just look at v8) | 17:17.22 |
| mattchz | mm | 17:17.41 |
| | Iâve used it for a few projects, and itâs been fine. Just a bit fiddly when they update it. | 17:18.09 |
| henrys | rayjj: shelly has a patch for review for 694160 | 17:22.31 |
| | marcosw1: so does the new review field only work for new bugs? | 17:23.46 |
| Ron_L | greetings. Joseph suggested I inquire about who might have access to the artifex.com domain? | 21:00.11 |
| | I have prepared our demo smartoffice forum for publication and I want to set up a CNAME entry to point at the forum URL. Joseph thought Robin or MarcoW might be the right person. | 21:00.15 |
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