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| rayjj | i recall a snake oil salesman pitching a "super image compression" algorithm to my previous company. They were upset when I suggested that compressing a 640x480 256 color image to 16 bits could only be based on a hash of "canned" images looking up images. | 00:00.24 |
| rayjj | wonders if they got any suckers on that one | 00:00.44 |
| kens | Yet more setpagedevice insanity :-( | 08:03.55 |
| chrisl | Is this a new thing, or a regression? | 08:08.00 |
| kens | Its a pre-existing 'problem' | 08:08.12 |
| | Not a regression of any kind. | 08:08.28 |
| | If you set LockDistillerParams, then gsave, tehn setpagedevice, then grestore, it fails | 08:08.51 |
| | Because installpagedevice insists that any keys which asre not processed in the dictionary is an error | 08:09.11 |
| | And if LockDistillerParams is set we don't process the distillerparams, so they aren't read | 08:09.32 |
| | Hence, error.... | 08:09.45 |
| chrisl | So, it should "just" be a case of processing the distillerparams, but discarding anything they do? | 08:10.09 |
| kens | The only solution is to have pdfwrite process all the distillerparams, and throw them away if ... Yes, that's what I was saying | 08:10.19 |
| | But of course, distillerparams are *very* complex, and all the code at the moment writes the data directly into the device structure | 08:10.46 |
| chrisl | With the usual caveat of all hell breaking loose because it's pdfwrite....... | 08:10.59 |
| kens | Its more a case of having to write loads and loads of code | 08:11.14 |
| | Instead of each parameter writing into the device structure, I'll have to write it to an intermediate variable, then if LockDistillerParams isn't true, copy that into the device structure | 08:12.02 |
| | WHich will be slower than it is now | 08:12.18 |
| | (perhaps I should say *even* slower....) | 08:12.28 |
| chrisl | Couldn't you just swap between the real device (normal) and a dummy device structure (LockDistillerParams)? | 08:13.23 |
| kens | Its a pretty horrendous structure we're talking about..... | 08:13.47 |
| chrisl | That way you wouldn't have to copy stuff around | 08:13.55 |
| kens | Have you looked at the pdfwrite device structure recently ? :-( | 08:14.26 |
| chrisl | So? | 08:15.30 |
| | It's a bit late to be worried about memory efficiency in pdfwrite!! | 08:15.56 |
| kens | I don't fancy trying to duplicate it. | 08:15.59 |
| | Reaidng the values to intermediate variables looks like a better bet to me. | 08:16.27 |
| | One or two are already done that way too (CompatibilityLevel for example) | 08:16.48 |
| chrisl | Seems a shame to slow down normal running just to handle a relatively rare situation | 08:17.11 |
| kens | Its more just the whole nonsense of setpagedevice which annoys me. Our implementation is downright broken | 08:17.13 |
| chrisl | Well, you know my thoughts on that..... | 08:17.37 |
| kens | I *could* fix it by having .installpagedevice not worry about unprocessed keys | 08:17.38 |
| chrisl | That would be a major change in behaviour, which would worry me a bit | 08:18.41 |
| kens | Well that's what worries me about it too. | 08:21.40 |
| | Though I've never seen it happen in practice | 08:21.57 |
| | Grr Bugzilla not talking to me again.... Not having a good day here | 08:23.42 |
| jogux | kens: it's not just you, bugzilla seems pretty unhappy :( | 08:40.32 |
| kens | TBH that makes me happier..... | 08:40.44 |
| | I did manage to pull some stuff off it earlier, but now i can't connect to it at all | 08:41.13 |
| jogux | ditto | 08:41.24 |
| | traceroute gets to somewhere in comcast | 08:41.45 |
| kens | could be a DDOD or the 512k routes problem, or TWC, or well 'something' | 08:42.24 |
| jogux | :-) | 08:42.56 |
| chrisl | Is bugzilla still hosted on casper? | 08:43.22 |
| jogux | doesn't seem to be | 08:43.30 |
| chrisl | I have a vague memory of marcosw intending to move it elsewhere, but wasn't sure | 08:44.44 |
| kens | Well, I guess I'll ignore the setpagedevice for now and go back to forms. Coffee first though | 08:45.29 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: re your latest patch, does that mean we never store 1-bit images compressed? | 09:07.16 |
| kens | chrisl when are you thinking of doing a release candidate ? I have a good grip on the forms problem and I'd like to get the fix in, but it may take me the rest of the day. | 09:09.08 |
| chrisl | kens: Next Mondat | 09:09.32 |
| | Monday | 09:09.36 |
| kens | Good enough, I should have it done by then, thanks | 09:09.46 |
| chrisl | So, for the first time in *years* I've ended up buying spinning disc HDD that wasn't IBM/Hitachi/HGST - now I have two brand new Seagate drives on my desk, clicking away merrily. This is why I kept buying HGST drives :-( | 09:14.43 |
| kens | Why did you buy Seagate ? | 09:15.20 |
| tor8 | aren't seagate infamous for being noisy? | 09:15.38 |
| chrisl | This isn't noisy, this is proper, pending disaster clicking...... | 09:16.04 |
| tor8 | eep! | 09:16.21 |
| chrisl | The only two options seemed to be WD and Seagate, and the only drives I've had more problems with than Seagate are WD!! | 09:16.41 |
| tor8 | I haven't bought a spinning platter device in years... I'm a bit out of touch. even my latest external USB drive has an SSD in it... | 09:16.54 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: Samsung make drives too. | 09:16.58 |
| chrisl | tor8: this is for storing videos and such - I didn't really want to spring for 2TB of SSD | 09:17.46 |
| | Robin_Watts: I looked at Samsung, but couldn't find the capacity I wanted | 09:18.10 |
| tor8 | chrisl: yeah, my external SSD is more for quick transfers between computers with crappy operating systems that can't run proper ssh software... | 09:18.19 |
| | chrisl: I do have a set of 2TB disks for video and backups, but they're pretty old | 09:18.50 |
| Robin_Watts | http://www.ebuyer.com/656732-samsung-4tb-d3-station-external-hard-drive-hx-d401tdb-g?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products&gclid=Cj0KEQjwm6CgBRC0zOmrydrqmosBEiQA_xoLRv6LErdgTa4aDvWyexA96Pa9VcY7cxG1CVhTfeYrIboaAi_Z8P8HAQ | 09:18.53 |
| kens | Hmm, one of those would be nice for my backups | 09:19.29 |
| chrisl | wanted internal.... | 09:19.33 |
| Robin_Watts | I bought one of these, and shelled it to get an internal: http://www.ebuyer.com/339426-hgst-4tb-touro-dx3-desktop-hard-drive-0s03400 | 09:20.13 |
| | Though when I bought it it was 109 quid or something. | 09:20.22 |
| chrisl | There seems a lot more choice in 2.5" drives just now, too...... | 09:21.33 |
| jogux | I like to use https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Slimline-Portable-Hard-Drive/dp/B008PABFX8/ref=as_sl_pc_ss_til?tag=h9l-21&linkCode=w01&linkId=&creativeASIN=B008PABFX8 for backups | 10:12.49 |
| | I have a couple, ones always attached to the machine, and every few weeks I switch the one on the machine for one from the shelf | 10:16.19 |
| Mario__ | Hello Team, is there any update regarding this bug? http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695459 It is quite a problem for our us | 11:56.02 |
| Robin_Watts | Mario__: Are you a customer? | 11:56.42 |
| Mario__ | Not yet | 11:56.56 |
| | we are looking in to it | 11:57.01 |
| Robin_Watts | ray is looking into it. I believe he's found what is going wrong. | 11:57.12 |
| | and he's figuring out how to fix it now. | 11:57.30 |
| | (we trip over a problem when reading from the clist, but the problem actually occurs because the write to the clist went wrong) | 11:57.48 |
| | Ray is in california, so won't be here for a few hours. | 11:58.10 |
| Mario__ | We have ancountered this issue with several files till now | 11:58.28 |
| | this could lead to losing a future client, as their files don't work with our demo | 12:01.41 |
| | I will try to contact Ray later on | 12:03.20 |
| | But we have an other issue: http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695464 | 12:03.34 |
| | which is even worse, as it isn't producing an error message | 12:03.51 |
| kens | Mario__ : free user bugs get fixed 'as and when' we have time. | 12:04.23 |
| Mario__ | Yes, I know, and therefore we are looking into a commercial license | 12:05.24 |
| Robin_Watts | And that bug is a whopping 2 days old now. You need to give us some time. | 12:05.44 |
| Mario__ | I understand. But also I wanted to ask, did you had similar issues in the past? | 12:07.55 |
| kens | Well you can search our bug database | 12:08.17 |
| Robin_Watts | we've had problems with the clist in the past, but then we've fixed all those problems. | 12:15.55 |
| | Each time we hit such a problem, we add the file to our test suite. | 12:16.09 |
| | Every time we commit a change to gs, it is checked with a combination of over 75000 files/resolutions/devices etc. | 12:17.06 |
| | so we can be fairly sure we don't regress. | 12:17.19 |
| | The tiff problem looks to be related to overprinting. That would probably need a different engineer to look into it. We'll check in with him later. | 12:18.25 |
| Mario__ | Thank you | 12:34.23 |
| chrisl | Someone else who wants us to fix bugs by telepathy..... | 12:50.38 |
| kens | Yepo :-( | 12:50.54 |
| leena | Can anyone suggest how to read "layers" from an EPS created in Adobe Illustrator using Ghostscript? | 12:59.00 |
| chrisl | leena: such layers are not part of the Postscript spec, thus Ghostscript does not handle them | 13:01.01 |
| leena | chrisl: is there any way we can simulate with Ghostscript? | 13:04.17 |
| chrisl | leena: Not that I'm aware of, and as they are not part of the spec, but proprietary to Adobe, there'd no guarantee of what we did being being correct | 13:05.53 |
| leena | ok. | 13:06.23 |
| kens | As far as I remember, the layters are 'implemented' in Illustrator EPS files as comments, so you could extract them with comment processing | 13:06.37 |
| | But as Chris rightlys says, there is no specification, so you're on your own figuring out what the comments mean | 13:07.25 |
| richud | hi, i have cross compiled ghostscript, I can run gs --help and get the help, but doing anything else gives no output at all | 13:20.23 |
| | if i compile with make debug I get one line of output with -DDEBUG, but nothing with any combination of -Z | 13:21.14 |
| chrisl | Sounds like there's something wrong with your cross-compilation..... | 13:22.07 |
| richud | anyone got any ideas? I am using 9.07 (newest one with cups support) cross compiled with uclibc (i386) | 13:22.13 |
| kens | I'd be inclined to agree. WHt's the line of output from -DDEBUG | 13:22.23 |
| | richud : the current version is 9.14, and 9.15 is due any time soon. All have the same level of CUPS support | 13:22.44 |
| chrisl | Did you check the exit code? | 13:22.54 |
| richud | START 0 1431892 136812 1309856 27892 true 540 3 <0> | 13:22.59 |
| kens | WHat's your command line ? | 13:23.16 |
| richud | gs -DDEBUG | 13:24.29 |
| | well it does the same except last 540 is then 538 | 13:24.47 |
| kens | Well, sounds broken to me, time to break out the debugger I'd say | 13:24.51 |
| chrisl | richud: oh, and what platforms are you compiling on, and for? | 13:25.04 |
| richud | if I run it through strace it all looks ok | 13:25.38 |
| | ken: I need gsraster , which was removed after 9.07 , sorrty | 13:26.03 |
| kens | Well you aren't getting a GS> promtp. so its clearly not OK | 13:26.11 |
| richud | chris: ubuntu 14.04 x64 to uclibc i386 target | 13:26.21 |
| | (its a terminal session) | 13:26.35 |
| chrisl | Well, it should be very easy, then | 13:26.57 |
| richud | yes, I am stumped | 13:27.16 |
| chrisl | As kens says, you'll need to debug it | 13:27.34 |
| richud | have to go, back later, ill read back if anyone has any ideas! | 13:27.39 |
| | thanks for your responses | 13:27.51 |
| kens | Good grief! | 13:45.46 |
| | http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/04/us-usa-guncontrol-idaho-idUSKBN0GY2E620140904 | 13:45.46 |
| chrisl | Well, you know what the problem there was? His foot didn't have a gun...... | 13:47.39 |
| kens | If he was teching computing some of my .sigs might have come true..... | 13:48.05 |
| | Actually, I suspect the problem was the students didn't have guns. | 13:49.03 |
| chrisl | No, I still think the foot needed to have some kind deterrent available, then it would never have happened | 13:50.12 |
| kens | I was amused to see that they don't allow firearms where nuclear research is going on. Cos, you know, nuclear stuff is so much more vulnerable to bullets than say glass jars of chemicals | 13:50.23 |
| | I was thinking that if ther students had guns then i wouldn't happen again :-) | 13:50.46 |
| chrisl | It makes you wonder why guns don't come with some kind of "catch", you know, for "safety"...... | 13:52.21 |
| kens | I'm sure the NRA would regard that as a bad idea | 13:52.40 |
| chrisl | Well, that's just triggered the surveillance bots...... | 13:53.18 |
| kens | I'm sure we were under NSA surveillance already, as pinko commie socialist non-Americans | 13:53.59 |
| chrisl | If not them, then GCHQ..... | 13:54.41 |
| kens | I htink GCHQ just watches everybody | 13:54.54 |
| scinfu | hi | 14:51.13 |
| ghostbot | Welcome to #ghostscript, the channel for Ghostscript and MuPDF. If you have a question, please ask it, don't ask to ask it. Do be prepared to wait for a reply as devs will check the logs and reply when they come on line. | 14:51.13 |
| scinfu | DO you think to create a Cocoapods project for MuPDF iOS ? | 14:53.11 |
| rayjj | scinfu: I think paulgardiner had a recent discussion on that. | 14:53.51 |
| paulgardiner | That may have been jogux | 14:55.08 |
| rayjj | paulgardiner: it was, sorry. scinfu please see http://ghostscript.com/irclogs/2014/08/25.html | 14:55.28 |
| | scinfu: some discussion toward the top | 14:55.53 |
| | scinfu: BTW, the "search" box on the irclogs is quite handy (upper right) | 14:56.46 |
| jogux | scinfu: I think the basis conclusion was it was probably a good idea to create a cocoapod, but unfortunately everyone is busy on other projects and hasn't had time to look at it just yet. | 15:02.18 |
| scinfu | rayjj: jogux: thank you | 15:03.16 |
| | I will try to do it alone but I doubt that I will have a good outcome | 15:04.03 |
| Robin_Watts | scinfu: If you want to try, we'll happily answer any questions you may have. | 15:04.06 |
| | And we'd be interested in seeing what you come up with. | 15:04.17 |
| | The MuPDF source code has no complex requirements. | 15:04.35 |
| scinfu | I have already created a library with MUPDF, I will try to replicate it with pods | 15:05.46 |
| Robin_Watts | rayjj: Previous timing was 14 minutes. | 15:10.16 |
| richud | re | 15:13.41 |
| Robin_Watts | hello richud | 15:14.02 |
| richud | btw i was compiling with make -j4 CCAUX=gcc (after patching to fix the endian issue) | 15:14.15 |
| chrisl | What endian issue? | 15:14.49 |
| richud | in 9.06/9.07 i take it there arent any other problems I am missing? (it compiled fine, everyhting that should be 32bit looks right with file) | 15:14.50 |
| | 9.06/7 fail cross compiling as the endian isnt detected | 15:15.06 |
| chrisl | But both your host and target are little endian..... | 15:15.41 |
| richud | im using those versions as they were last ones to build gsraster for a cups filter (which is what i am ultimately trying to get working) | 15:15.46 |
| | i know, it fails if it detects you are cross compiling | 15:16.11 |
| Robin_Watts | richud: What are your host/target ? | 15:16.29 |
| kens | See earlier in the logs | 15:16.39 |
| Robin_Watts | I have cross compiled on x86 targetted at arm before now. both little endian. | 15:16.56 |
| | From x86 to arm register sizes are the same too, so I just configure on one, and change the compiler. | 15:17.40 |
| | From x64 to x86, register sizes potentially change, so that's more to configure. | 15:18.03 |
| richud | the configure piece to patch is | 15:18.40 |
| | if test "$cross_compiling" = yes; then : { { $as_echo "$as_me:${as_lineno-$LINENO}: error: in \`$ac_pwd':" >&5 $as_echo "$as_me: error: in \`$ac_pwd':" >&2;} as_fn_error $? "cannot run test program while cross compiling See \`config.log' for more details" "$LINENO" 5; } | 15:18.43 |
| | anyway it got fixed in newer versions, but I am using old for gsraster | 15:19.13 |
| | can anyone hazard a guess as to why it would work enough to display the help fine but the actual program have no output? | 15:20.26 |
| | strace doesnt show it trying to open anything | 15:20.41 |
| chrisl | There are too many possibilities to even start to guess..... | 15:21.03 |
| Robin_Watts | richud: No. As people have said, use a debugger and step through. | 15:21.04 |
| | chrisl: Is there a configure option he can use to get cups support in later versions? | 15:21.30 |
| | --with_local_cups=yes or something? | 15:21.45 |
| chrisl | We have cups support | 15:21.52 |
| | What did gsraster do, anyway? I forget..... | 15:22.17 |
| Robin_Watts | That would be a linux question, so I refer you to yourself :) | 15:22.35 |
| kens | Oh no, recursion! | 15:22.54 |
| chrisl | Actually, that's a cups question, and thus I deny all knowledge.... recursion prevented | 15:23.16 |
| | I'm just wondering if a simple shell script would work around the fact that gsraster went away | 15:24.01 |
| richud | it is very odd | 15:24.29 |
| kens | Without knowing what it did, its hard to tell. I can't find nay reference ot it in the HTML history | 15:24.31 |
| | Or a trivial search in Git | 15:24.54 |
| richud | at the moment i have disabled cups just to try and make it work in tiself | 15:25.00 |
| chrisl | it's gstoraster..... | 15:25.12 |
| | and I *think* it's just a wrapper around gs that converts PS/PDF to cups raster | 15:25.20 |
| richud | ill stick my compile blurb in a wiki page if you care to look, one moment | 15:25.35 |
| kens | Ah, ,well that makes more sense, I might be able to find ot now.... | 15:25.37 |
| | Right, it just outputs a CUPS raster from GS | 15:26.06 |
| richud | http://www.richud.com/wiki/Ghostscript | 15:26.44 |
| | ive tried lots of other variates to no avail | 15:27.02 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: For the log. Updated version. I fixed a bug that meant we were looking for alphas, and I made it check that we have 8 bit streams. | 15:27.56 |
| | It now takes 70 seconds. | 15:28.23 |
| | Also, I made our jpeg handling avoid printing "Application didn't transfer enough scanlines" every time we bale out early. | 15:28.47 |
| richud | ken/chris would you kindly cast your eyes on it, its from my makefile, anything obviosuly wrong? | 15:29.07 |
| chrisl | richud: Nothing obviously wrong, no. Like as not, if something was obviously wrong, you wouldn't get as far as building it | 15:30.06 |
| kens | As far as I can see we haven't removed gstoraster, its been moved to cups-filters. So, nothing to do with us at all. I don't believe that using gs 9.07 is any help at all in this, it shoudl work or not just as well with 9.14 | 15:30.12 |
| richud | chris: thanks for looking, yes it is very odd | 15:30.59 |
| chrisl | kens: If the cups version is contemporaneous with 9.07 then it won't have gstoraster in it | 15:31.06 |
| richud | ken:yes, there are ton of dependaencies to build for cups-filters, hence using old ghostscript with it in | 15:31.26 |
| chrisl | richud: did you check the exit code? I can't remember if you answered that..... | 15:31.53 |
| kens | Like I said, not our problem. Building an old version of GS doesn't seem like a good idea, but its up to you | 15:32.02 |
| kens | still says: start debugging | 15:32.46 |
| richud | chris: yes 0 | 15:33.02 |
| | ken: yes :( | 15:33.13 |
| chrisl | Hmmm, so we don't even realise there's been an error - hmmmm | 15:33.34 |
| richud | yeah , very strange :) | 15:35.03 |
| | i spent 2 weeks messing with cups to begin with before i relaised it was gs problem , spent a week fiddling with it now | 15:35.35 |
| kens | I'd hardly classify it as a GS problem. | 15:35.52 |
| richud | ok, well related to gs | 15:36.05 |
| | as in not cups | 15:36.16 |
| kens | THe CPS people changed what thjey do and how they distribute it. Not really anything to do with us | 15:36.36 |
| richud | anyway ill try latest version of GS tomorrow and see if that at least runs | 15:36.54 |
| | thanks for everyones thoughts/ideas/help | 15:37.02 |
| chrisl | Well, I cross compiled 9.14 for i386 with uclibc a couple of months ago, and I got it working without too much pain | 15:37.09 |
| richud | chris: ok ill come back with results tomrrow | 15:37.52 |
| | l8r | 15:37.53 |
| chrisl | I wonder how often he's going to ask before realising we can't help.......... | 15:38.57 |
| kens | Night all | 16:18.21 |
| pedro_mac | gânite kens | 16:20.04 |
| chrisl | Well, I have a working x86 gs 9.07, statically linked with uclibc, built on my x86_64 machine, so it is possible....... | 16:20.05 |
| | But I can't build gstoraster because I ain't trying to cross compile cups!! | 16:20.38 |
| | Robin_Watts: did you do an upgrade for the Chicago flight(s)? | 16:22.14 |
| Robin_Watts | I upgraded coming home, I think. | 16:24.01 |
| chrisl | Did you keep a note of the cost of the economy ticket before the upgrade? | 16:24.41 |
| Robin_Watts | no, but I bet paulgardiner has it. | 16:26.34 |
| paulgardiner | 764 possibly | 16:28.15 |
| jogux | hm. did I forget to ask what class of flight artifex pays for? :) | 16:28.37 |
| Robin_Watts | economy. | 16:29.03 |
| jogux | ah, right, good. | 16:29.14 |
| | though I did get the extra legroom option I think :) | 16:29.26 |
| | are you guys actually paying for your own upgrades then? or is this some cash+points deal? | 16:30.04 |
| Robin_Watts | upgrading using miles. | 16:30.51 |
| | That's "airmiles", not "Miles" :) | 16:31.02 |
| chrisl | I think I did miles + cash.... | 16:31.02 |
| jogux | ah, cunning. and on the way back only so you don't get humped for UK business flight tax :) | 16:31.16 |
| Robin_Watts | on the way back cos it's overnight, and it was cheaper :) | 16:32.59 |
| jogux | :) | 16:33.05 |
| Robin_Watts | It was 825.41+miles, so yes, looks like cash+miles. | 16:35.03 |
| chrisl | paulgardiner: thanks, that close enough to what I have here, I'm fairly sure I won't be conning Miles | 16:35.37 |
| t4nk856 | hi | 18:27.05 |
| ghostbot | Welcome to #ghostscript, the channel for Ghostscript and MuPDF. If you have a question, please ask it, don't ask to ask it. Do be prepared to wait for a reply as devs will check the logs and reply when they come on line. | 18:27.05 |
| t4nk856 | I tried MuPDF for Android, it is really good. But, for our requirement, ReaderView should be vertical ( as in Acrobat ), I tried to make it Vertical. It is working but not working perfectly. Could you please share if you have already done a vertical ReaderView. If yes, please send it to kparunjyothis@gmail.com. I have sent an email regarding this to android@ghostscript.com | 18:31.41 |
| Robin_Watts | t4nk856: Hi. Did you email me earlier about this? | 18:32.01 |
| t4nk856 | Yes | 18:32.09 |
| Robin_Watts | And I replied... | 18:32.12 |
| t4nk856 | Yesterday night | 18:32.13 |
| | got your reply | 18:32.19 |
| | I just replied to that email 5 min ago | 18:32.32 |
| Robin_Watts | Right. The guy you need to speak to is paulgardiner, but he's probably gone for the night. | 18:33.33 |
| | Try again in about 16 hours time. | 18:33.59 |
| | You say "our requirement"... | 18:34.20 |
| | what are you trying to do with MuPDF? | 18:34.29 |
| t4nk856 | integrate MuPDF library & open pdf inside the project | 18:35.02 |
| Robin_Watts | t4nk856: So you're trying to use MuPDF within your own app. | 18:35.22 |
| t4nk856 | download pdf from back end service & open in the app | 18:35.34 |
| Robin_Watts | Will this app be released under the GNU AGPL too? | 18:35.35 |
| t4nk856 | Yes using MuPDF inside the app | 18:35.45 |
| Robin_Watts | (which will require you giving away full sources etc) | 18:36.15 |
| t4nk856 | This is for a well known financial organization in US | 18:36.19 |
| | Our product team is connecting with your marketing team @ Texas | 18:36.36 |
| | for commercial licensing to use inside the app | 18:36.51 |
| Robin_Watts | Ok, so you know about the requirement for a commercial license. Cool. | 18:36.52 |
| t4nk856 | Yes | 18:36.59 |
| Robin_Watts | I just didn't want that to be a nasty surprise for you. | 18:37.05 |
| t4nk856 | We can use only if we get license | 18:37.14 |
| Robin_Watts | Well, I believe the changes to the source shouldn't be huge, but paulgardiner is the man to talk to here. | 18:37.28 |
| t4nk856 | I am a developer | 18:37.29 |
| Robin_Watts | What timezone are you in? | 18:37.34 |
| t4nk856 | PST - San Francisco | 18:37.55 |
| | GMT - 8 | 18:38.02 |
| Robin_Watts | OK, so you either need to be up early or up late to talk to paulgardiner. | 18:38.23 |
| | I will forward your mail to him. | 18:38.35 |
| t4nk856 | thats fine I normally awake till 12 PM PST | 18:38.51 |
| | Thank you for your support | 18:39.13 |
| Robin_Watts | That's 4am here, I think. | 18:39.20 |
| t4nk856 | :) but your response was really quick | 18:39.44 |
| | what would be the best time to contact Paul | 18:40.02 |
| | in PST | 18:40.08 |
| Robin_Watts | between 9:00 and 17:00 UK time, so that's... 01:00 and 11:00 PST? | 18:40.52 |
| | but on friday's he starts about 2.5 hours later than that. | 18:41.07 |
| t4nk856 | Ok np... | 18:41.36 |
| | If he is able to reply to my email, it would be great | 18:42.00 |
| Robin_Watts | He's really busy on a different project at the moment, but I hope he'll be able to give you some pointers. | 18:42.26 |
| t4nk856 | Great | 18:42.42 |
| | Thank you Robin. I am going to leave this chat, I am connected to a wifi for accessing irc, irc is not allowed inside our intranet | 18:44.51 |
| Robin_Watts | np. | 18:44.58 |
| t4nk856 | bye...I will try to get him on chat if any more doubts after his email reply | 18:45.44 |
| mattapperson | any MuPDF devs around? | 19:15.50 |
| | looking for pricing info, and under a heavy time constraint | 19:16.10 |
| Robin_Watts | mattapperson: Hi | 19:24.28 |
| | I'm a MuPDF dev. | 19:24.35 |
| mattapperson | Hey Robin_Watts | 19:24.36 |
| | :) | 19:24.38 |
| | any chance you can tell me the pricing? | 19:24.48 |
| Robin_Watts | but the devs are not generally involved in commercial sales. | 19:24.48 |
| | we have a sales guy to handle that. | 19:25.01 |
| mattapperson | any rough ideas? sales has not responded for several days and I have a client that needs an answer ASAP | 19:25.27 |
| Robin_Watts | Forward the mail to me (robin.watts at artifex.com) and I will ensure he gets it. | 19:25.50 |
| | Had he replied to you at all? | 19:27.00 |
| mattapperson | not at all | 19:27.04 |
| | maybe it went to spam? | 19:27.10 |
| | idk :) | 19:27.12 |
| Robin_Watts | Normally as soon as he gets mail, he sends back a big list of questions. | 19:27.21 |
| | I just spoke to scott, he's got your mail and should get back to you in a mo. | 19:33.45 |
| mattapperson | ty :) | 19:34.25 |
| Robin_Watts | You should have got an email from me too (to you and scott). If you want to reply to that giving as many details as possible (like how many you expect to ship, what sort of price they go for, what proportion of the apps functionality you expect to get from MuPDF) that will save time. | 19:35.10 |
| | Basically the more details you can give, the more scott can tailor the license proposal to your needs. | 19:35.37 |
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