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kens Hmm, I notice Hin-Tak is using a ghostscript.com email address, that's kind of misleading07:36.16 
chrisl I think anyone with an account on casper also has a ghostscript.com address available to them07:38.31 
kens :-(07:38.39 
chrisl We can almost certainly disable them - possibly a subject for the staff meeting07:39.35 
  I'm also not over the moon about him recommending other solutions on our bugzilla.......07:40.12 
kens Worth discussing I think. None of us use them, and I suspect the mail address confused the user in 69554507:40.16 
  THat's true too.07:40.25 
chrisl I get the mails from my ghostscript.com address - I don't think I've ever had anything but spam, though07:40.53 
kens I was cross about the poking regarding files, I had already covered that.07:40.55 
  BTW thanks for making the attachment private07:41.04 
chrisl NP - shame the reporter didn't notice and mailed me directly to ask me to do it. Not noticing that the only reason he had my address was because I'd actually edited the bug!07:41.55 
kens Oh!07:42.05 
chrisl Not a big deal, he was polite about it.07:42.29 
kens I did think that 7am UK time was pretty early for European business hours. I'd thought that meant 9 am, which owuld be 8am here07:42.37 
chrisl Well, Europe is a big place ;-)07:42.59 
kens Its all on the same time zone though (except us)07:43.23 
  OK mail to henry and tech sent07:45.09 
chrisl I'm going to be afk for some/much of today - I have to shout at a bank in person this morning.... or, more accurately, I have to convince the bank, in person, to shout at the credit card people on my behalf......08:05.29 
sags I've seen in the logs for yesterday some discussion about trouble with the GS_LIB setting.09:27.37 
  Here <http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689040#c2> is a very old patch to compute GS_LIB_DEFAULT at run-time, so that setting GS_LIB will be unnecessary. Would that help?09:27.46 
kens The only problem is that Ihad GS_LIB set, and set to the current HEAD. So running released versions didn't work. That's all09:28.43 
  I've fixed it by removing GS_LIB :-)09:29.05 
sags With that patch, and if GS_LIB is not set at all, Ghostscript will use one based on it's own location. So each version/ revision will use it's own lib\ directory.09:30.09 
  And yes, if GS_LIB is set it continues to have priority.09:30.45 
kens I'm running WIndows, and so the default built in files are used, works fine....09:34.54 
kens wishes Hin-Tak would just leave the bug alone.....10:22.52 
chrisl And Hin-Tak's comments on that bug are at best questionable, and at worst, downright wrong10:41.01 
kens Well he's wrong about using anything except a PostScript itnerpreter, since the user has (real) EPS files in there10:41.28 
  I'm hoping if I don't say anythign he'll shut up10:41.51 
chrisl Newer PDF versions support PNG?10:42.14 
kens Hmm, I missed that10:42.25 
chrisl "pdf being a newer standard, supports png embedding natively"10:42.51 
kens Yeah well that's plain wrong10:43.04 
chrisl As is "Postscript 3 supports gif, tiff, jpeg natively"10:43.17 
kens But like I said, I'd rather not start talking to him on the bug thread10:43.22 
  I suppose I shoudl probably correct those :-(10:44.06 
chrisl Would you prefer me to?10:44.24 
kens No I've started :-(10:44.35 
chrisl Well, nice lady at the bank was just as willing to shout at the credit card people after being transferred to different teams seven times!!10:45.31 
kens Eh ?10:45.50 
chrisl To change my security password (I didn't know I had one!) and inform them I was travelling to the states, she was transferred seven times, finally ending up at the same team she called first......10:47.16 
kens Excellent !10:47.36 
chrisl And at every transfer she had to put in her and my credentials.... she hit it well (customer present all that), but she was *livid*10:51.45 
  /s/hit/hid10:51.52 
kens :-) I can understand her frustration10:52.21 
chrisl It's apparently related to the failed Santander take over, but not really a reasonable excuse10:53.39 
kens Well not at this late date, no10:53.55 
chrisl But it is all sort now10:54.20 
  except my typing apparently - "sorted now"10:54.33 
  right, off again....11:11.17 
Robin_Watts ooh, online check in.11:12.49 
kens ah yes good point11:12.57 
Robin_Watts Does Michael have an elder brother and a sister?11:23.35 
  http://guff.com/13-examples-of-siblings-winning-epically/1911:23.41 
kens :-)11:24.08 
tor8 Robin_Watts: new and improved cmap remapping commit on tor/master if you have time, if not it can wait till after the meeting11:27.20 
Robin_Watts tor8: will look now.11:27.51 
  tor8: Oh, presumably I should be redoing the android mupdf builds? Or have you done that already?11:29.05 
norbertj hi guys, can anyone confirm that the -sDEVICE=display in combination with -dLeadingEdge=3 is not working correctly?11:29.27 
tor8 Robin_Watts: I haven't done anything with the android build system, or builds11:29.43 
  figured we'd tag and release after the meeting11:29.57 
norbertj i.e. sheet is rotated, but the content not.11:30.05 
Robin_Watts tor8: OK.11:30.07 
kens norbertj : I'm not at all sure I would trust the display device and any media selection citeria11:30.18 
tor8 Robin_Watts: we could have released before, but it seems a bit irresponsible to drop a release then disappear for a week :)11:30.28 
kens norbertj : Is this PostScript input ?11:30.53 
Robin_Watts tor8: Well, if we release today, we a) keep the 'september' schedule, and b) stop being told off by Miles/Henry at the meeting.11:31.02 
norbertj +kens: no pcl11:31.10 
Robin_Watts and we don't *really* disappear.11:31.21 
tor8 Robin_Watts: fair enough.11:31.29 
kens norbertj : Hmm, I'm not really sure you cna use PostScript parameters (LeadingEdge) succesfully with PCL. Probably that's a question Henry needs to give an opinion on11:31.48 
norbertj +kens: -sDEVICE=bit/tiffcrle end LeadingEdge=3 is ok,11:32.05 
tor8 Robin_Watts: I lost my MSVC install (changed disks, had to reinstall my windows machine), but that shouldn't take too long to reinstall11:32.19 
Robin_Watts tor8: Other than packing, I have nothing on my plate today (unless samsung get back to me)11:32.40 
kens norbertj : Well the display device is 'different', as I said I'm not at all sure I would trust it. I've had sewveral odd results from it recently11:32.43 
tor8 should we just tag the tip of tor/master then, and make a release from that?11:32.45 
Robin_Watts so I can do builds etc if required.11:32.49 
tor8 if you could do the android build, that'd save me some reading up on your instructions :)11:33.18 
norbertj +kens: I can try figuring out how to pass it the LeadingEdge (i.e. probably the gx_default_put_params is skipped).11:33.19 
Robin_Watts tor8: sure.11:33.30 
  OK, I only vaguely follow the cmap stuff, I'm going to trust you on that.11:33.48 
  but looks good.11:33.49 
kens norbertj : I don't think it can be skipping the put_params, as far as I remember it uses the default device put_params. But I could be mistaken11:34.02 
tor8 Robin_Watts: yeah, it's a bit awkward11:34.22 
Robin_Watts So you push that, I'll pull it, and do the android builds.11:34.49 
tor8 but it basically combines the font encoding (which maps from codepoint to glyph id) and the ToUnicode (which maps from codepoint to unicode) into a new cmap that maps from glyph id to unicode11:34.50 
norbertj the put_params is not skipped, but in the handling in gdevdsp.c ? I noticed that gx_default_put_params is within a if (ecode) and ecode = devn_put_params(...)11:35.38 
tor8 http://mupdf.com/downloads/archive/mupdf-1.6-source.tar.gz (in 5 minutes when the upload to casper's stupidly slow internet finishes)11:35.51 
Robin_Watts tor8: I'll build from git.11:36.14 
kens norbertj, I'd have to debug to see what's going on and I'm a little busy right at the moment11:36.17 
tor8 Robin_Watts: okay, I've pushed and tagged on casper11:36.48 
norbertj +kens: no problem, I can do it also, and see what's happening. Have to wait for perfresults anyways.11:36.58 
kens I'm fighting Virgin Atlantic to check in :-(11:37.10 
Robin_Watts tor8: I have msvc 2005 installed here. Let me do the builds to save you time.11:41.16 
  (sorry if you saw that twice, network issues)11:41.29 
Robin_Watts just accepted a macosx software update without thinking. I really hope I didn't just upgrade to Yosemite.11:42.42 
kens O.O11:43.24 
  I got a anti-virus update this morning, now my email doesn't work..... (works if I turn off mail filtering though ;-)11:43.52 
Robin_Watts I was planning to wait a bit to see how broken it was.11:43.56 
kens lunch11:44.00 
Robin_Watts and I'll need to update parallels too.11:44.09 
  oh, release date is 21st october, so this must be something else.11:44.52 
  tor8: http://ghostscript.com/~robin/mupdf-1.6-windows.zip11:56.48 
  (and anyone else that feels like testing it).11:56.54 
  It's uploading now. 2 mins.11:57.01 
kens Robin_Watts : seems to work OK for me12:10.13 
Robin_Watts kens: Thanks.12:12.45 
kens Hmm forecast showers in Chicago on Saturday12:16.39 
  Oh and thunderstorms on Thursday, that'll be the tech meeting......12:17.05 
Robin_Watts My phone shows saturday as dry, but sunday as a 40% chance of rain.12:18.49 
kens BBC says Friday wet, Saturday dry12:19.03 
Robin_Watts but at least it'll be cooler.12:19.07 
kens Both BBC and weather channel say sunday dry12:19.13 
  It'll be cool OK....12:19.19 
Robin_Watts yeah, friday wet too, but we'll be indoors for that.12:19.20 
kens says 24 on Thursday dropping to 10 daytime on Saturday12:19.48 
  and breezy so probably wrap up warm type weather12:20.03 
Robin_Watts 9-14 sat, 9-18 sun.12:20.27 
kens Weather channel splits the differecne12:20.58 
  At about 12 on Saturday12:21.08 
  You using weather underground ? Your results match theirs12:22.07 
  Oh except they say Saturday is wet12:22.23 
Robin_Watts I use the 1Weather widget on android. That may well pull from wunderground.12:22.41 
  My phone resolutely says 0% chance of rain on saturday, 40% on fri/sun.12:23.28 
  but it's all a lottery.12:23.37 
kens I'm finding that the sites split in 212:23.42 
sebras tor8: Robin_Watts: did this morphmath library make any sense for MM-fontS?12:24.00 
kens Seems there's a front coming in with cold wet weather and its not clear how far the rain will come12:24.08 
Robin_Watts sebras: Not had a chance to look.12:24.13 
  ok, all 4 mupdf apks built. MuPDF-60.apk to 63.apk in my public_html12:26.22 
  will check those/upload after lunch.12:26.36 
  60 is arm, 61 is arm-v7 (so those will work on most devices).12:26.52 
  62 and 63 are for x86 and mips, so no one has any devices that use them.12:27.06 
zeniko tor8: thanks for the CMap fix12:33.48 
tor8 Robin_Watts: zipfile looks good12:34.09 
zeniko tor8: ftoa.c fails to compile with MSVC (due to warning 4305)12:34.11 
tor8 zeniko: I hope that CMap fix is better overall.12:34.22 
zeniko tor8: I'll test the CMap fix once I've got ftoa.c to compile12:34.42 
tor8 zeniko: my MSVC is in pieces (had to reinstall my windows machine) ... what's warning 4305?12:35.03 
zeniko implicit conversion from double to float (cf. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/0as1ke3f.aspx )12:35.46 
kens Beat me to it :-)12:35.54 
zeniko tor8: oh, and warning 4056 due to 1e39 not being representable by a float at all12:36.30 
tor8 zeniko: ah, right. those should be easy to fix :)12:36.58 
Robin_Watts zeniko: built fine for me on VS2005.12:37.24 
tor8 just zap the 1e39 entry in the table12:37.25 
Robin_Watts Gah. bloody google play want a 1024x500 image for MuPDF before I can update anything.12:38.53 
tor8 Robin_Watts: screenshot?12:39.07 
  or app icon?12:39.15 
Robin_Watts screenshot I think.12:39.23 
zeniko tor8: and then there's warning 4018 in pdf-unicode.c (signed/unsigned mismatch due to pdf_cmap::rlen/xlen being int and the loop variable unsigned int)12:39.23 
Robin_Watts tor8: actually, it can be anything.12:40.10 
tor8 zeniko: this was so much easier in MuJS where I started doing the right thing from scratch :)12:40.17 
zeniko Robin_Watts: We build with /W4 /Wx, I'd assume your VS solutions are a bit more lenient12:40.19 
Robin_Watts possibly.12:41.17 
zeniko tor8: the right thing being to support only GCC? ;-)12:41.50 
tor8 zeniko: clang, actually ;)12:42.16 
zeniko tor8: and while I'm complaining about warnings: string.h still contains an unimplemented declaration for fz_dtoa which messes up the exports for libmupdf.dll for our build script12:45.51 
tor8 zeniko: does the latest commit on tor/master fix those complaints for you?12:49.53 
zeniko tor8: all but warning 4305 (apparently 1e11 and later are considered double by MSVC)12:54.55 
  replacing 1e11 and following by 1e11f, 1e12f, etc. fixes that for me12:55.37 
tor8 zeniko: that's probably because 1e10 and below fit in an integer12:56.35 
Robin_Watts tor8: OK, I knocked up a crap graphic for Mupdf.13:03.42 
  If someone wants to give me a better one, it needs to be 1024x500.13:03.58 
tor8 Robin_Watts: the logo sources are in docs/logo/ in the repository, in case you're looking for that13:04.27 
Robin_Watts tor8: I have the logo in xara, that's not the problem.13:04.47 
tor8 and in a branch on tor/logo13:04.57 
  Robin_Watts: right. where is the graphic you knocked up?13:05.45 
Robin_Watts It's not showing yet.13:06.02 
  Let me upload it.13:06.05 
  http://ghostscript.com/~robin/MuPDFPromoGraphic.png13:06.49 
  Yes, it's crap, but it will serve the purpose of annoying tor8 enough that he'll get me a better replacement :)13:07.09 
tor8 spell it TIFF and I'm happy :)13:07.38 
kens And JPEG ?13:07.54 
tor8 or drop the image formats, just keeping the big formats (PDF, XPS, CBZ)?13:08.28 
kens That works too13:08.38 
Robin_Watts New version online now.13:08.55 
tor8 but I rather like the whole stack :)13:08.56 
Robin_Watts me lunches...13:09.00 
kens PNG is wider than all the others so it should go at the bottom if it stays13:09.01 
  Or swap tif and jpg so it goes out then in13:09.17 
tor8 kens: the newest one is a nice pyramid13:09.28 
Robin_Watts latest version gets larger as it goes down.13:09.33 
kens I must not be seeing that one, let me reload13:09.41 
Robin_Watts I could shrink everything to be the same width...13:09.43 
kens Ah yes13:09.48 
  That's fine13:09.57 
  Left aligned would work too I expect13:10.31 
chrisl Ugh, don't like serif fonts.......13:43.06 
Robin_Watts chrisl: The corner of the M in the MuPDF logo is serif, so...13:57.29 
chrisl Doesn't mean I gotta like it ;-)13:58.09 
Robin_Watts :)14:08.14 
  OK, MuPDF latest builds published to google play.14:09.35 
chrisl Do we have a 1.6 release yet?14:11.14 
Robin_Watts chrisl: Tor8 is doing that now.14:13.38 
  It's pushed into golden.14:13.46 
kens marcosw ping14:24.27 
marcosw morning kens 14:24.35 
kens bug #695537 has no attachment, I've tried emailing you but I'm guessing my mail goes into spam or something14:24.59 
  COuld you attach the file there please ?14:25.05 
  also, good morning :-)14:25.28 
marcosw oops, sorry, didn't see your email (I'm getting a lot of spam making it through the filter, so I think your message was just lost in the noise). I'll do it now.14:26.50 
kens THanks, then I cna look at it tomorrow on the flight while I'm bored :-)14:27.08 
Robin_Watts kens: Did josephs powerpoints come to everyone?14:27.37 
kens I have it yes14:27.42 
marcosw kens: done.14:27.54 
kens marcosw : thanks, I'll garb it now14:28.11 
  or even grab it14:28.16 
  Robin_Watts : Hmm the mail I have went to sos, I thought I saw another copy, tle me check14:28.40 
  wow locks up on a 6Kb PDF file ? O.O14:29.40 
zeniko marcosw: MuPDF bug 695513 seems to be missing an attachment as well14:30.32 
marcosw zeniko: that one has an attachment but it's makred private so you can't see it.14:31.22 
  kens: the original file is 29 megs and 421 pages, would you rather have that? :-)14:32.27 
kens No thanks :-) By the way the file defintiely is damaged, Acrobat complains about it.14:32.47 
  I shoudl warn you there may be nothing we can do about this.14:32.57 
zeniko marcosw: didn't Bugzilla use to show private attachments, just not allow access to them? nevermind then14:33.27 
kens Robin_Watts : henry did forward the PowerPoint to staff@artifex, so everyone should have it14:34.03 
Robin_Watts kens: cool. I couldn't remember if that'd happened.14:34.17 
kens Well I have no memory, but fortunately I'm OCD about keeping email.......14:34.42 
marcosw zeniko: it depends, the message can be marked as private separately from the attachment but the default is to mark both as private. 14:35.28 
  in this case i'm not sure why I marked the attachement as private, it's a single page from a internatl revenue service tax document and as such is presumably freely available on the internets.14:36.12 
  let me confirm that and I'll mark it as non-private.14:36.27 
  yup, this is the full document: http://www.unclefed.com/SurviveIRS/MSSP/poultryatg12-16.pdf14:37.14 
Robin_Watts zeniko has signed an NDA with us, I believe.14:37.21 
  And he has access to casper...14:37.25 
  so I suspect he should have access to private attachments too.14:37.36 
marcosw Robin_Watts: oh. i didn't realize that. wonder why it's never come up before? I'll change it.14:38.41 
  Robin_Watts and zeniko: done.14:42.00 
zeniko marcosw: thanks14:43.05 
Robin_Watts fredross-perry: Hi.15:44.50 
fredross-perry Hi. Are you in Chicago?15:45.07 
Robin_Watts No, I fly tomorrow, along with ken, chris, paul, tor, and joseph.15:45.30 
  Are you in chicago? :)15:45.46 
  Regarding your question yesterday - if you print to a PDF you lose all information about http links etc.15:46.01 
kens must have missed that question......15:46.18 
Robin_Watts some viewers are smart and figure that if you click on some text that starts 'http:' it's probably a link.15:46.26 
kens Yeah printing to PDF will lose all metadata, unless you use something like the Acrobat Word extensions, and I'm not sure those work on OS/X as they require going via PostScript15:47.54 
fredross-perry not in Chicago. Thanks for the answer; I figured that out yesterday. What folled me is that MS Word has a “save as PDF” option.15:49.40 
kens And that doesn't work also ? Pretty poor15:49.57 
fredross-perry yes, pretty poor. What folled me was, if Preview sees a bit of text likehttp://www.google.com, it will treat it like a link even thought it isn’t one.15:51.37 
  Also, it fooled me.15:51.47 
Robin_Watts tor8: I've put all the mupdf stuff on the downloads and downloads/archive stuff.15:59.36 
  we're missing the source archive (cos you do that), and the editing of the mupdf website.15:59.53 
  Then you can delete the downloads/1.5 links.16:00.07 
chrisl LCMS is dead, long live LCMS2.......16:00.46 
tor8 Robin_Watts: done.16:03.01 
  Robin_Watts: kens: chrisl: don't forget to update your ESTA, mine had expired over summer16:03.15 
Robin_Watts yeah, I reapplied July 10.16:03.36 
chrisl Mine runs to 2016.....16:04.01 
tor8 chrisl: mupdf release tarballs and news info are on mupdf.com16:04.10 
chrisl tor8: thanks16:04.19 
kens tor8 mine is OK until November16:06.15 
  I'll let mine lapse until the new year16:06.27 
tor8 I'm coming in at 17.40 in case you want to meet up for late dinner tomorrow16:06.55 
kens SOunds good, we're in about 13:30 as I recall16:07.08 
  pop up in IRC when you get into the hotel16:07.24 
tor8 kens: will do. and I'll text Robin if I get held up.16:07.45 
kens Good plan16:08.01 
  hold ups ar enot unlikely I think, given the air traffic problems :-(16:08.17 
tor8 kens: indeed :(16:08.24 
kens big commit chrisl, or possibly decommit :-)16:09.30 
chrisl "git rm -r" can get through a lot of stuff quickly :-)16:09.56 
  I should probably think about packing......16:11.18 
kens is half done with packing16:11.34 
  Just need to print my ticket, I forgot to do it while printing boarding pass16:11.51 
chrisl I've never been asked for my ticket......16:12.17 
kens I think I have, and it does say to 'bring it with you' so I print a couple of relevant pages (email messes it up spectacularly)16:13.02 
kens ehads to printer16:13.19 
chrisl tor8: mupdf commercial release is up, and the ghostscript.com site updated......16:15.18 
kens OK time to go, see you all tomorrow.16:33.21 
Robin_Watts night kens.16:33.26 
chrisl Bye kens 16:33.28 
devan777 Hi guys17:34.11 
  someone can help me with a task? convert a PDF file to .PS17:34.52 
Robin_Watts devan777: On what platform?17:35.15 
devan777 vb.net 201017:35.24 
  hi robin17:35.31 
Robin_Watts So, windows.17:35.34 
devan777 yes 17:35.45 
Robin_Watts gswin32c.exe -sDEVICE=ps2write -o output.ps input.pdf17:35.55 
devan777 ok... you have experience with the code ?17:36.45 
  can you help me with a example or another thing code 17:37.00 
Robin_Watts With ps2write? no.17:37.07 
  with gs in general, yes.17:37.11 
devan777 ok robbin i try make it. thank you!17:37.39 
Robin_Watts devan777: We don't have any example code for calling it from C#17:38.18 
  but ghostscript.net (google for it) might be useful.17:38.30 
  It's released under the same GNU AGPL license as ghostscript is.17:38.50 
devan777 i need see this form, beacuse here only the applications is in .net17:39.41 
  however is a great help robbin17:39.52 
  thank you very much... i read about it gs17:40.14 
Robin_Watts no problems. If you have problems come back here and ask again. Be aware that we're all going to a staff meeting for the next few days, so we may lag a lot on here and be in a different timezone or on planes etc.17:41.43 
tor8 chrisl: thanks.17:43.44 
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