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kens | Hmm, I notice Hin-Tak is using a ghostscript.com email address, that's kind of misleading | 07:36.16 |
chrisl | I think anyone with an account on casper also has a ghostscript.com address available to them | 07:38.31 |
kens | :-( | 07:38.39 |
chrisl | We can almost certainly disable them - possibly a subject for the staff meeting | 07:39.35 |
| I'm also not over the moon about him recommending other solutions on our bugzilla....... | 07:40.12 |
kens | Worth discussing I think. None of us use them, and I suspect the mail address confused the user in 695545 | 07:40.16 |
| THat's true too. | 07:40.25 |
chrisl | I get the mails from my ghostscript.com address - I don't think I've ever had anything but spam, though | 07:40.53 |
kens | I was cross about the poking regarding files, I had already covered that. | 07:40.55 |
| BTW thanks for making the attachment private | 07:41.04 |
chrisl | NP - shame the reporter didn't notice and mailed me directly to ask me to do it. Not noticing that the only reason he had my address was because I'd actually edited the bug! | 07:41.55 |
kens | Oh! | 07:42.05 |
chrisl | Not a big deal, he was polite about it. | 07:42.29 |
kens | I did think that 7am UK time was pretty early for European business hours. I'd thought that meant 9 am, which owuld be 8am here | 07:42.37 |
chrisl | Well, Europe is a big place ;-) | 07:42.59 |
kens | Its all on the same time zone though (except us) | 07:43.23 |
| OK mail to henry and tech sent | 07:45.09 |
chrisl | I'm going to be afk for some/much of today - I have to shout at a bank in person this morning.... or, more accurately, I have to convince the bank, in person, to shout at the credit card people on my behalf...... | 08:05.29 |
sags | I've seen in the logs for yesterday some discussion about trouble with the GS_LIB setting. | 09:27.37 |
| Here <http://bugs.ghostscript.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689040#c2> is a very old patch to compute GS_LIB_DEFAULT at run-time, so that setting GS_LIB will be unnecessary. Would that help? | 09:27.46 |
kens | The only problem is that Ihad GS_LIB set, and set to the current HEAD. So running released versions didn't work. That's all | 09:28.43 |
| I've fixed it by removing GS_LIB :-) | 09:29.05 |
sags | With that patch, and if GS_LIB is not set at all, Ghostscript will use one based on it's own location. So each version/ revision will use it's own lib\ directory. | 09:30.09 |
| And yes, if GS_LIB is set it continues to have priority. | 09:30.45 |
kens | I'm running WIndows, and so the default built in files are used, works fine.... | 09:34.54 |
kens | wishes Hin-Tak would just leave the bug alone..... | 10:22.52 |
chrisl | And Hin-Tak's comments on that bug are at best questionable, and at worst, downright wrong | 10:41.01 |
kens | Well he's wrong about using anything except a PostScript itnerpreter, since the user has (real) EPS files in there | 10:41.28 |
| I'm hoping if I don't say anythign he'll shut up | 10:41.51 |
chrisl | Newer PDF versions support PNG? | 10:42.14 |
kens | Hmm, I missed that | 10:42.25 |
chrisl | "pdf being a newer standard, supports png embedding natively" | 10:42.51 |
kens | Yeah well that's plain wrong | 10:43.04 |
chrisl | As is "Postscript 3 supports gif, tiff, jpeg natively" | 10:43.17 |
kens | But like I said, I'd rather not start talking to him on the bug thread | 10:43.22 |
| I suppose I shoudl probably correct those :-( | 10:44.06 |
chrisl | Would you prefer me to? | 10:44.24 |
kens | No I've started :-( | 10:44.35 |
chrisl | Well, nice lady at the bank was just as willing to shout at the credit card people after being transferred to different teams seven times!! | 10:45.31 |
kens | Eh ? | 10:45.50 |
chrisl | To change my security password (I didn't know I had one!) and inform them I was travelling to the states, she was transferred seven times, finally ending up at the same team she called first...... | 10:47.16 |
kens | Excellent ! | 10:47.36 |
chrisl | And at every transfer she had to put in her and my credentials.... she hit it well (customer present all that), but she was *livid* | 10:51.45 |
| /s/hit/hid | 10:51.52 |
kens | :-) I can understand her frustration | 10:52.21 |
chrisl | It's apparently related to the failed Santander take over, but not really a reasonable excuse | 10:53.39 |
kens | Well not at this late date, no | 10:53.55 |
chrisl | But it is all sort now | 10:54.20 |
| except my typing apparently - "sorted now" | 10:54.33 |
| right, off again.... | 11:11.17 |
Robin_Watts | ooh, online check in. | 11:12.49 |
kens | ah yes good point | 11:12.57 |
Robin_Watts | Does Michael have an elder brother and a sister? | 11:23.35 |
| http://guff.com/13-examples-of-siblings-winning-epically/19 | 11:23.41 |
kens | :-) | 11:24.08 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: new and improved cmap remapping commit on tor/master if you have time, if not it can wait till after the meeting | 11:27.20 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: will look now. | 11:27.51 |
| tor8: Oh, presumably I should be redoing the android mupdf builds? Or have you done that already? | 11:29.05 |
norbertj | hi guys, can anyone confirm that the -sDEVICE=display in combination with -dLeadingEdge=3 is not working correctly? | 11:29.27 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: I haven't done anything with the android build system, or builds | 11:29.43 |
| figured we'd tag and release after the meeting | 11:29.57 |
norbertj | i.e. sheet is rotated, but the content not. | 11:30.05 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: OK. | 11:30.07 |
kens | norbertj : I'm not at all sure I would trust the display device and any media selection citeria | 11:30.18 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: we could have released before, but it seems a bit irresponsible to drop a release then disappear for a week :) | 11:30.28 |
kens | norbertj : Is this PostScript input ? | 11:30.53 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: Well, if we release today, we a) keep the 'september' schedule, and b) stop being told off by Miles/Henry at the meeting. | 11:31.02 |
norbertj | +kens: no pcl | 11:31.10 |
Robin_Watts | and we don't *really* disappear. | 11:31.21 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: fair enough. | 11:31.29 |
kens | norbertj : Hmm, I'm not really sure you cna use PostScript parameters (LeadingEdge) succesfully with PCL. Probably that's a question Henry needs to give an opinion on | 11:31.48 |
norbertj | +kens: -sDEVICE=bit/tiffcrle end LeadingEdge=3 is ok, | 11:32.05 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: I lost my MSVC install (changed disks, had to reinstall my windows machine), but that shouldn't take too long to reinstall | 11:32.19 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: Other than packing, I have nothing on my plate today (unless samsung get back to me) | 11:32.40 |
kens | norbertj : Well the display device is 'different', as I said I'm not at all sure I would trust it. I've had sewveral odd results from it recently | 11:32.43 |
tor8 | should we just tag the tip of tor/master then, and make a release from that? | 11:32.45 |
Robin_Watts | so I can do builds etc if required. | 11:32.49 |
tor8 | if you could do the android build, that'd save me some reading up on your instructions :) | 11:33.18 |
norbertj | +kens: I can try figuring out how to pass it the LeadingEdge (i.e. probably the gx_default_put_params is skipped). | 11:33.19 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: sure. | 11:33.30 |
| OK, I only vaguely follow the cmap stuff, I'm going to trust you on that. | 11:33.48 |
| but looks good. | 11:33.49 |
kens | norbertj : I don't think it can be skipping the put_params, as far as I remember it uses the default device put_params. But I could be mistaken | 11:34.02 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: yeah, it's a bit awkward | 11:34.22 |
Robin_Watts | So you push that, I'll pull it, and do the android builds. | 11:34.49 |
tor8 | but it basically combines the font encoding (which maps from codepoint to glyph id) and the ToUnicode (which maps from codepoint to unicode) into a new cmap that maps from glyph id to unicode | 11:34.50 |
norbertj | the put_params is not skipped, but in the handling in gdevdsp.c ? I noticed that gx_default_put_params is within a if (ecode) and ecode = devn_put_params(...) | 11:35.38 |
tor8 | http://mupdf.com/downloads/archive/mupdf-1.6-source.tar.gz (in 5 minutes when the upload to casper's stupidly slow internet finishes) | 11:35.51 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: I'll build from git. | 11:36.14 |
kens | norbertj, I'd have to debug to see what's going on and I'm a little busy right at the moment | 11:36.17 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: okay, I've pushed and tagged on casper | 11:36.48 |
norbertj | +kens: no problem, I can do it also, and see what's happening. Have to wait for perfresults anyways. | 11:36.58 |
kens | I'm fighting Virgin Atlantic to check in :-( | 11:37.10 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: I have msvc 2005 installed here. Let me do the builds to save you time. | 11:41.16 |
| (sorry if you saw that twice, network issues) | 11:41.29 |
Robin_Watts | just accepted a macosx software update without thinking. I really hope I didn't just upgrade to Yosemite. | 11:42.42 |
kens | O.O | 11:43.24 |
| I got a anti-virus update this morning, now my email doesn't work..... (works if I turn off mail filtering though ;-) | 11:43.52 |
Robin_Watts | I was planning to wait a bit to see how broken it was. | 11:43.56 |
kens | lunch | 11:44.00 |
Robin_Watts | and I'll need to update parallels too. | 11:44.09 |
| oh, release date is 21st october, so this must be something else. | 11:44.52 |
| tor8: http://ghostscript.com/~robin/mupdf-1.6-windows.zip | 11:56.48 |
| (and anyone else that feels like testing it). | 11:56.54 |
| It's uploading now. 2 mins. | 11:57.01 |
kens | Robin_Watts : seems to work OK for me | 12:10.13 |
Robin_Watts | kens: Thanks. | 12:12.45 |
kens | Hmm forecast showers in Chicago on Saturday | 12:16.39 |
| Oh and thunderstorms on Thursday, that'll be the tech meeting...... | 12:17.05 |
Robin_Watts | My phone shows saturday as dry, but sunday as a 40% chance of rain. | 12:18.49 |
kens | BBC says Friday wet, Saturday dry | 12:19.03 |
Robin_Watts | but at least it'll be cooler. | 12:19.07 |
kens | Both BBC and weather channel say sunday dry | 12:19.13 |
| It'll be cool OK.... | 12:19.19 |
Robin_Watts | yeah, friday wet too, but we'll be indoors for that. | 12:19.20 |
kens | says 24 on Thursday dropping to 10 daytime on Saturday | 12:19.48 |
| and breezy so probably wrap up warm type weather | 12:20.03 |
Robin_Watts | 9-14 sat, 9-18 sun. | 12:20.27 |
kens | Weather channel splits the differecne | 12:20.58 |
| At about 12 on Saturday | 12:21.08 |
| You using weather underground ? Your results match theirs | 12:22.07 |
| Oh except they say Saturday is wet | 12:22.23 |
Robin_Watts | I use the 1Weather widget on android. That may well pull from wunderground. | 12:22.41 |
| My phone resolutely says 0% chance of rain on saturday, 40% on fri/sun. | 12:23.28 |
| but it's all a lottery. | 12:23.37 |
kens | I'm finding that the sites split in 2 | 12:23.42 |
sebras | tor8: Robin_Watts: did this morphmath library make any sense for MM-fontS? | 12:24.00 |
kens | Seems there's a front coming in with cold wet weather and its not clear how far the rain will come | 12:24.08 |
Robin_Watts | sebras: Not had a chance to look. | 12:24.13 |
| ok, all 4 mupdf apks built. MuPDF-60.apk to 63.apk in my public_html | 12:26.22 |
| will check those/upload after lunch. | 12:26.36 |
| 60 is arm, 61 is arm-v7 (so those will work on most devices). | 12:26.52 |
| 62 and 63 are for x86 and mips, so no one has any devices that use them. | 12:27.06 |
zeniko | tor8: thanks for the CMap fix | 12:33.48 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: zipfile looks good | 12:34.09 |
zeniko | tor8: ftoa.c fails to compile with MSVC (due to warning 4305) | 12:34.11 |
tor8 | zeniko: I hope that CMap fix is better overall. | 12:34.22 |
zeniko | tor8: I'll test the CMap fix once I've got ftoa.c to compile | 12:34.42 |
tor8 | zeniko: my MSVC is in pieces (had to reinstall my windows machine) ... what's warning 4305? | 12:35.03 |
zeniko | implicit conversion from double to float (cf. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/0as1ke3f.aspx ) | 12:35.46 |
kens | Beat me to it :-) | 12:35.54 |
zeniko | tor8: oh, and warning 4056 due to 1e39 not being representable by a float at all | 12:36.30 |
tor8 | zeniko: ah, right. those should be easy to fix :) | 12:36.58 |
Robin_Watts | zeniko: built fine for me on VS2005. | 12:37.24 |
tor8 | just zap the 1e39 entry in the table | 12:37.25 |
Robin_Watts | Gah. bloody google play want a 1024x500 image for MuPDF before I can update anything. | 12:38.53 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: screenshot? | 12:39.07 |
| or app icon? | 12:39.15 |
Robin_Watts | screenshot I think. | 12:39.23 |
zeniko | tor8: and then there's warning 4018 in pdf-unicode.c (signed/unsigned mismatch due to pdf_cmap::rlen/xlen being int and the loop variable unsigned int) | 12:39.23 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: actually, it can be anything. | 12:40.10 |
tor8 | zeniko: this was so much easier in MuJS where I started doing the right thing from scratch :) | 12:40.17 |
zeniko | Robin_Watts: We build with /W4 /Wx, I'd assume your VS solutions are a bit more lenient | 12:40.19 |
Robin_Watts | possibly. | 12:41.17 |
zeniko | tor8: the right thing being to support only GCC? ;-) | 12:41.50 |
tor8 | zeniko: clang, actually ;) | 12:42.16 |
zeniko | tor8: and while I'm complaining about warnings: string.h still contains an unimplemented declaration for fz_dtoa which messes up the exports for libmupdf.dll for our build script | 12:45.51 |
tor8 | zeniko: does the latest commit on tor/master fix those complaints for you? | 12:49.53 |
zeniko | tor8: all but warning 4305 (apparently 1e11 and later are considered double by MSVC) | 12:54.55 |
| replacing 1e11 and following by 1e11f, 1e12f, etc. fixes that for me | 12:55.37 |
tor8 | zeniko: that's probably because 1e10 and below fit in an integer | 12:56.35 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: OK, I knocked up a crap graphic for Mupdf. | 13:03.42 |
| If someone wants to give me a better one, it needs to be 1024x500. | 13:03.58 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: the logo sources are in docs/logo/ in the repository, in case you're looking for that | 13:04.27 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: I have the logo in xara, that's not the problem. | 13:04.47 |
tor8 | and in a branch on tor/logo | 13:04.57 |
| Robin_Watts: right. where is the graphic you knocked up? | 13:05.45 |
Robin_Watts | It's not showing yet. | 13:06.02 |
| Let me upload it. | 13:06.05 |
| http://ghostscript.com/~robin/MuPDFPromoGraphic.png | 13:06.49 |
| Yes, it's crap, but it will serve the purpose of annoying tor8 enough that he'll get me a better replacement :) | 13:07.09 |
tor8 | spell it TIFF and I'm happy :) | 13:07.38 |
kens | And JPEG ? | 13:07.54 |
tor8 | or drop the image formats, just keeping the big formats (PDF, XPS, CBZ)? | 13:08.28 |
kens | That works too | 13:08.38 |
Robin_Watts | New version online now. | 13:08.55 |
tor8 | but I rather like the whole stack :) | 13:08.56 |
Robin_Watts | me lunches... | 13:09.00 |
kens | PNG is wider than all the others so it should go at the bottom if it stays | 13:09.01 |
| Or swap tif and jpg so it goes out then in | 13:09.17 |
tor8 | kens: the newest one is a nice pyramid | 13:09.28 |
Robin_Watts | latest version gets larger as it goes down. | 13:09.33 |
kens | I must not be seeing that one, let me reload | 13:09.41 |
Robin_Watts | I could shrink everything to be the same width... | 13:09.43 |
kens | Ah yes | 13:09.48 |
| That's fine | 13:09.57 |
| Left aligned would work too I expect | 13:10.31 |
chrisl | Ugh, don't like serif fonts....... | 13:43.06 |
Robin_Watts | chrisl: The corner of the M in the MuPDF logo is serif, so... | 13:57.29 |
chrisl | Doesn't mean I gotta like it ;-) | 13:58.09 |
Robin_Watts | :) | 14:08.14 |
| OK, MuPDF latest builds published to google play. | 14:09.35 |
chrisl | Do we have a 1.6 release yet? | 14:11.14 |
Robin_Watts | chrisl: Tor8 is doing that now. | 14:13.38 |
| It's pushed into golden. | 14:13.46 |
kens | marcosw ping | 14:24.27 |
marcosw | morning kens | 14:24.35 |
kens | bug #695537 has no attachment, I've tried emailing you but I'm guessing my mail goes into spam or something | 14:24.59 |
| COuld you attach the file there please ? | 14:25.05 |
| also, good morning :-) | 14:25.28 |
marcosw | oops, sorry, didn't see your email (I'm getting a lot of spam making it through the filter, so I think your message was just lost in the noise). I'll do it now. | 14:26.50 |
kens | THanks, then I cna look at it tomorrow on the flight while I'm bored :-) | 14:27.08 |
Robin_Watts | kens: Did josephs powerpoints come to everyone? | 14:27.37 |
kens | I have it yes | 14:27.42 |
marcosw | kens: done. | 14:27.54 |
kens | marcosw : thanks, I'll garb it now | 14:28.11 |
| or even grab it | 14:28.16 |
| Robin_Watts : Hmm the mail I have went to sos, I thought I saw another copy, tle me check | 14:28.40 |
| wow locks up on a 6Kb PDF file ? O.O | 14:29.40 |
zeniko | marcosw: MuPDF bug 695513 seems to be missing an attachment as well | 14:30.32 |
marcosw | zeniko: that one has an attachment but it's makred private so you can't see it. | 14:31.22 |
| kens: the original file is 29 megs and 421 pages, would you rather have that? :-) | 14:32.27 |
kens | No thanks :-) By the way the file defintiely is damaged, Acrobat complains about it. | 14:32.47 |
| I shoudl warn you there may be nothing we can do about this. | 14:32.57 |
zeniko | marcosw: didn't Bugzilla use to show private attachments, just not allow access to them? nevermind then | 14:33.27 |
kens | Robin_Watts : henry did forward the PowerPoint to staff@artifex, so everyone should have it | 14:34.03 |
Robin_Watts | kens: cool. I couldn't remember if that'd happened. | 14:34.17 |
kens | Well I have no memory, but fortunately I'm OCD about keeping email....... | 14:34.42 |
marcosw | zeniko: it depends, the message can be marked as private separately from the attachment but the default is to mark both as private. | 14:35.28 |
| in this case i'm not sure why I marked the attachement as private, it's a single page from a internatl revenue service tax document and as such is presumably freely available on the internets. | 14:36.12 |
| let me confirm that and I'll mark it as non-private. | 14:36.27 |
| yup, this is the full document: http://www.unclefed.com/SurviveIRS/MSSP/poultryatg12-16.pdf | 14:37.14 |
Robin_Watts | zeniko has signed an NDA with us, I believe. | 14:37.21 |
| And he has access to casper... | 14:37.25 |
| so I suspect he should have access to private attachments too. | 14:37.36 |
marcosw | Robin_Watts: oh. i didn't realize that. wonder why it's never come up before? I'll change it. | 14:38.41 |
| Robin_Watts and zeniko: done. | 14:42.00 |
zeniko | marcosw: thanks | 14:43.05 |
Robin_Watts | fredross-perry: Hi. | 15:44.50 |
fredross-perry | Hi. Are you in Chicago? | 15:45.07 |
Robin_Watts | No, I fly tomorrow, along with ken, chris, paul, tor, and joseph. | 15:45.30 |
| Are you in chicago? :) | 15:45.46 |
| Regarding your question yesterday - if you print to a PDF you lose all information about http links etc. | 15:46.01 |
kens | must have missed that question...... | 15:46.18 |
Robin_Watts | some viewers are smart and figure that if you click on some text that starts 'http:' it's probably a link. | 15:46.26 |
kens | Yeah printing to PDF will lose all metadata, unless you use something like the Acrobat Word extensions, and I'm not sure those work on OS/X as they require going via PostScript | 15:47.54 |
fredross-perry | not in Chicago. Thanks for the answer; I figured that out yesterday. What folled me is that MS Word has a âsave as PDFâ option. | 15:49.40 |
kens | And that doesn't work also ? Pretty poor | 15:49.57 |
fredross-perry | yes, pretty poor. What folled me was, if Preview sees a bit of text likehttp://www.google.com, it will treat it like a link even thought it isnât one. | 15:51.37 |
| Also, it fooled me. | 15:51.47 |
Robin_Watts | tor8: I've put all the mupdf stuff on the downloads and downloads/archive stuff. | 15:59.36 |
| we're missing the source archive (cos you do that), and the editing of the mupdf website. | 15:59.53 |
| Then you can delete the downloads/1.5 links. | 16:00.07 |
chrisl | LCMS is dead, long live LCMS2....... | 16:00.46 |
tor8 | Robin_Watts: done. | 16:03.01 |
| Robin_Watts: kens: chrisl: don't forget to update your ESTA, mine had expired over summer | 16:03.15 |
Robin_Watts | yeah, I reapplied July 10. | 16:03.36 |
chrisl | Mine runs to 2016..... | 16:04.01 |
tor8 | chrisl: mupdf release tarballs and news info are on mupdf.com | 16:04.10 |
chrisl | tor8: thanks | 16:04.19 |
kens | tor8 mine is OK until November | 16:06.15 |
| I'll let mine lapse until the new year | 16:06.27 |
tor8 | I'm coming in at 17.40 in case you want to meet up for late dinner tomorrow | 16:06.55 |
kens | SOunds good, we're in about 13:30 as I recall | 16:07.08 |
| pop up in IRC when you get into the hotel | 16:07.24 |
tor8 | kens: will do. and I'll text Robin if I get held up. | 16:07.45 |
kens | Good plan | 16:08.01 |
| hold ups ar enot unlikely I think, given the air traffic problems :-( | 16:08.17 |
tor8 | kens: indeed :( | 16:08.24 |
kens | big commit chrisl, or possibly decommit :-) | 16:09.30 |
chrisl | "git rm -r" can get through a lot of stuff quickly :-) | 16:09.56 |
| I should probably think about packing...... | 16:11.18 |
kens | is half done with packing | 16:11.34 |
| Just need to print my ticket, I forgot to do it while printing boarding pass | 16:11.51 |
chrisl | I've never been asked for my ticket...... | 16:12.17 |
kens | I think I have, and it does say to 'bring it with you' so I print a couple of relevant pages (email messes it up spectacularly) | 16:13.02 |
kens | ehads to printer | 16:13.19 |
chrisl | tor8: mupdf commercial release is up, and the ghostscript.com site updated...... | 16:15.18 |
kens | OK time to go, see you all tomorrow. | 16:33.21 |
Robin_Watts | night kens. | 16:33.26 |
chrisl | Bye kens | 16:33.28 |
devan777 | Hi guys | 17:34.11 |
| someone can help me with a task? convert a PDF file to .PS | 17:34.52 |
Robin_Watts | devan777: On what platform? | 17:35.15 |
devan777 | vb.net 2010 | 17:35.24 |
| hi robin | 17:35.31 |
Robin_Watts | So, windows. | 17:35.34 |
devan777 | yes | 17:35.45 |
Robin_Watts | gswin32c.exe -sDEVICE=ps2write -o output.ps input.pdf | 17:35.55 |
devan777 | ok... you have experience with the code ? | 17:36.45 |
| can you help me with a example or another thing code | 17:37.00 |
Robin_Watts | With ps2write? no. | 17:37.07 |
| with gs in general, yes. | 17:37.11 |
devan777 | ok robbin i try make it. thank you! | 17:37.39 |
Robin_Watts | devan777: We don't have any example code for calling it from C# | 17:38.18 |
| but ghostscript.net (google for it) might be useful. | 17:38.30 |
| It's released under the same GNU AGPL license as ghostscript is. | 17:38.50 |
devan777 | i need see this form, beacuse here only the applications is in .net | 17:39.41 |
| however is a great help robbin | 17:39.52 |
| thank you very much... i read about it gs | 17:40.14 |
Robin_Watts | no problems. If you have problems come back here and ask again. Be aware that we're all going to a staff meeting for the next few days, so we may lag a lot on here and be in a different timezone or on planes etc. | 17:41.43 |
tor8 | chrisl: thanks. | 17:43.44 |
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