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| avih | tor, mujs Makefile fix to make make and make install work on cygwin and osx. on cygwin clang is not typically available (but cc is) and on osx the darwin install doesn't have -t. the current patch should also work on linux and supports configurable cc. http://pastebin.com/xwL28Y5U | 02:22.54 |
| | fwiw, on cygwin prefix=/user works better than /usr/local, but since prefix is a variable, the (patched) Makefile is good enough as is | 02:25.37 |
| | and the default prefix is good for osx | 02:27.03 |
| mvrhel_laptop | finally I have figure out how to ensure that the unique printer properties are maintained when the user changes them. One would think this would not be an issue but in windows I have stopped being surprised by this sort of thing. bed time for me now | 06:04.08 |
| kens | Great, Aaron sends another 30Mb zip file with 'the files you need' which turns out to contain the stdout and another copy of the 50Mb PostScript file he's sent 3 times before. | 08:38.39 |
| avih | kens: has tor been around recently? | 10:02.49 |
| | !seen tor8 | 10:03.07 |
| kens | He has been travelling, we had a staff meeting last week. I believe he got back last night | 10:03.09 |
| avih | oh | 10:03.18 |
| | thx | 10:03.33 |
| kens | NP | 10:03.38 |
| | OK so that's today's support stuff dealt with, back to real work. | 10:13.33 |
| kens | wonders where Henry is, still in the UK I guess | 10:14.15 |
| chrisl | I thought they headed off to Strasbourg over the weekend..... | 10:14.54 |
| kens | Oh yes, you're probably right | 10:15.05 |
| Robin_Watts | Henry was in the UK when we all went to the tower last night :) | 11:33.24 |
| kens | Did you enjoy the trip ? | 11:33.39 |
| Robin_Watts | He goes to Strasbourg today, then will be back for 2 nights later in the week, I think. | 11:34.01 |
| | Yeah, was nice. | 11:34.14 |
| | Atmospheric. | 11:34.18 |
| kens | Not a problem, just means I have to remember to deal with all the support requests for the next few days | 11:34.34 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: Have you read Hugh Howey's Sand? | 13:39.23 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: I have not. | 13:43.32 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: Oh well, I'll just order it, then.... | 13:44.16 |
| | Robin_Watts: And Gary Gibson, Marauder? | 13:45.11 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: That's the 4th in the stealing light series. | 13:45.32 |
| | Read that a couple of months ago. | 13:45.42 |
| | It's akin to the others in the series | 13:45.47 |
| chrisl | So, worth the time, then - cheers..... | 13:46.04 |
| Robin_Watts | I wonder if I have that as an ebook. | 13:46.42 |
| | I do. | 13:46.56 |
| chrisl | I'll want it on dead tree, anyway | 13:47.08 |
| Robin_Watts | ok. | 13:47.16 |
| | Did you read "The Twelve" ? | 13:47.32 |
| | or "The Passage"? | 13:47.38 |
| chrisl | No, haven't read those | 13:47.44 |
| Robin_Watts | (The Passage is the first book, The Twelve is the second) | 13:47.49 |
| | The Passage is sensational. | 13:48.05 |
| | And the Twelve suffered a bit by it having been 3 years since I read The Passage, but is good too. | 13:48.32 |
| chrisl | Hmmm, vampires and stuff - not usually my bag..... | 13:49.17 |
| Robin_Watts | yeah, likewise. | 13:49.27 |
| | It reads like "The Stand" | 13:49.37 |
| | (which I think is a very good thing indeed) | 13:49.45 |
| chrisl | I haven't read much Stephen King either | 13:50.30 |
| Robin_Watts | When Stephen King is on-song he's amazing. | 13:50.55 |
| chrisl | I should read "Salem's Lot" at some point | 13:51.15 |
| Robin_Watts | but a lot of his later stuff feels a bit "yeah, been there, done that" | 13:51.31 |
| | Hi mvrhel_laptop. Safe trip home I trust? | 13:52.06 |
| chrisl | I really like his writing, but not so much the subject matter.... | 13:52.14 |
| Robin_Watts | Well, if I had to recommend any one of his books, it'd be The Stand. | 13:52.51 |
| mvrhel_laptop | Hi Robin_Watts. Yes it was thank you | 13:53.09 |
| avih | tor8: supporting JSON replacer would be nice ;) currently for debug i use json3.min.js with a replacer which shows functions and undefined values. but the only thing missing from mujs to do the same is the replacer function. | 13:56.23 |
| Robin_Watts | avih: Does that require mujs changes? | 13:57.20 |
| | Is that not just another library function? | 13:57.30 |
| | (I mean, something that can be added at the javascript level) | 13:57.47 |
| avih | Robin_Watts: JSON replacer? yes. it's part of the definition of JSON.stringify. | 13:57.54 |
| | and mujs currently ignores this argument | 13:58.11 |
| Robin_Watts | avih: But it's not part of the core javascript language, right? | 13:58.38 |
| avih | Robin_Watts: not sure. but mujs has JSON.stringify which accepts 3 arguments, of which replacer is the middle one. it just does nothing with it right now | 13:59.19 |
| Robin_Watts | avih: Right. I guess if we provide the function we should provide all of it. | 13:59.44 |
| avih | it would be nicer if you would :) | 14:00.15 |
| | Robin_Watts: it can be added at the JS level, as the entire JSON object can be added the same way. it's just not fun to include an external implementation when the internal one is so close to be fully compliant | 14:01.42 |
| | and the internal one would be faster, i'd guess | 14:02.26 |
| tor8 | avih: ah, yes. JSON replacers are on my todo list, I'll make sure to bump them up | 14:11.42 |
| jordyd | In âdoc/Ps-style.htmâ, what is a âVienna style nameâ? | 15:42.44 |
| kens | No idea, but I don;'t believe anyone has ever followed the PS coding guidelines anyway | 15:44.28 |
| jordyd | Lol alright | 15:44.36 |
| kens | THis one is particularly laughable: | 15:44.56 |
| | Comment every procedure with the arguments and result, and with the function of the procedure unless it's obvious. | 15:44.57 |
| jordyd | Lol | 15:45.27 |
| | Should I take the C guidelines seriously? | 15:45.47 |
| kens | More seriously at least | 15:45.56 |
| | I mostly try to follow those I think | 15:46.08 |
| jordyd | They seemed like good guidelines so I thought as much | 15:46.30 |
| kens | Main thing with C is not to use tabs for indent, use spaces. Also no trailing spaces. Otherwise Git will reject it | 15:46.34 |
| chrisl | The C style has drifted in various places, I'd suggest applying common sense, as well as the guidelines, based on other code near where you're working | 15:47.24 |
| kens | The PS guidelines are fairly sensible too, our actual PostScript code, however..... isn't...... | 15:47.33 |
| jordyd | I prefer spaces to tabs anyway and my editor highlights trailing space | 15:48.24 |
| kens | VS fixes this stuff for me :-) | 15:48.42 |
| jordyd | Iâm on a mac so Iâve never had the opportunity to try out VS | 15:49.16 |
| | Iâve always heard good things about it | 15:49.20 |
| | Particularly the debugger | 15:49.30 |
| kens | Its OK, its an IDE so it never satisfies everyone | 15:49.32 |
| chrisl | I guess we should rephrase the "Vienna style names" requirement...... | 15:49.43 |
| kens | The one thing I wish the debugger had was macro expansion :-( | 15:49.48 |
| jordyd | chrisl: What is it supposed to mean? | 15:50.00 |
| chrisl | Haven't a clue..... :-( | 15:50.13 |
| jordyd | Lol | 15:50.19 |
| chrisl | So, rephrase or remove... | 15:50.36 |
| jordyd | I thought maybe it was camel case, bc I see some camel case code in here | 15:50.40 |
| chrisl | I can probably ask LPD | 15:50.56 |
| kens | You'll see lots of different styles in the PS code. Main thing here is 'comments are good' | 15:51.13 |
| chrisl | And try not to build non-standard assumptions into the PS, and if you have no choice, comment it loudly and clearly | 15:52.05 |
| | I guess Ray might remember what Vienna style is/was | 15:53.24 |
| kens | I don't remember it, and Google isn't helping either, nor Wikipedia | 15:53.41 |
| chrisl | No, it's just Ray's worked on gs longer than any of us, so..... | 15:54.49 |
| kens | There is a Vienna project ( and a ViennaStar) both of which seem to use camel case names, but both are C++ | 15:58.18 |
| jordyd | An RSS reader? | 15:59.55 |
| kens | Err, possibly | 16:00.04 |
| | I wasn't really looking at its purpose | 16:00.14 |
| | Neither seems likely anyway | 16:00.29 |
| chrisl | Right, I am off to play a squash match, and then spend a couple of hours watching people who can *really* play squash..... | 16:05.01 |
| kens | :-) | 16:05.10 |
| chrisl | World No. 2 is supposed to be playing tonight, and he's quite good | 16:06.05 |
| kens | Err, yes that seems likely.... | 16:06.22 |
| | :-O | 16:06.27 |
| chrisl | It'll either be inspirational, or depressing, not sure which | 16:06.55 |
| | Bye! | 16:07.06 |
| kens | bb | 16:07.09 |
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