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| x1 | I currently use xdotool for sending keystrokes to mupdf. Is there a clean alternative? | 00:33.22 |
| henrys | mvrhel_laptop: huh downloaded gsview_setup - chrome reported it isn't commonly downloaded and could be dangerous. I wonder if that is google or windows behind that. | 01:37.57 |
| | ? | 01:38.01 |
| mvrhel_laptop | henrys: that is windows I believe | 03:27.46 |
| | we would need to look into the digital signing stuff | 03:29.41 |
| | I think we look at getting a certificate at some point but it was pricey | 03:36.12 |
| x1 | I currently use xdotool for sending keystrokes to mupdf. Is there a clean alternative? | 08:23.59 |
| kens | Not a questoin you're going to get an answer to here I don't think. Hae you tried Google ? | 08:24.32 |
| tor8 | x1: clean alternative to do what? | 08:25.03 |
| kens | xdotool simulates keyboard input, I assume he wants to drive MuPDF in some automated fashion. Its not really a queston we can answer | 08:25.39 |
| | Essentially you could view it as a scripting method for X11 applications I guess. | 08:26.18 |
| chrisl | I would think that is the best solution - mupdf is never going to support anything like dbus directly..... | 08:27.00 |
| tor8 | kens: right. well, depends on what you are actually trying to accomplish... mudraw might be better suited, but if you want to control the app then sending keys is like chrisl says probably the best it's going to get. | 08:27.51 |
| kens | tor8 agreed, but is there something more 'clean' ? I have no idea, and I doubt its a quesotn we can answer, especially since he hasn't explained what he's using it for. | 08:28.47 |
| tor8 | if you're just trying to do a slide show, there's presentation mode. but without knowing what he's trying to use it for we can't reasonably answer. | 08:30.17 |
| kens | Which is why I suggest google.... | 08:30.44 |
| x1 | Current use: http://sprunge.us/XaEB?sh | 08:33.04 |
| kens | Doesn't mean anything to me, what are you trying to achieve with this ? | 08:33.31 |
| tor8 | kens: looks like setting fit-to-page and invert the colors | 08:34.14 |
| | x1: your best bet would be to add command line options | 08:34.25 |
| kens | Yes, but why ? :-) | 08:34.27 |
| tor8 | kens: a guess? tiny screen (or tiled window manager that doesn't respect default window sizes) and a (perverse) preference for white text on black background :) | 08:35.40 |
| kens | I suppose the obvious next question is what he means by 'clean' | 08:36.33 |
| | I suppose if he likes that result he could simply hack the viewer to always start up like that. | 08:37.04 |
| tor8 | kens: waiting for the app to start, finding out its window, to send some key strokes .. it's not 100% reliable and does feel like a bit of a hack. | 08:37.07 |
| | hacking the viewer to start that way would be trivial. adding command line flags almost as trivial. | 08:37.22 |
| x1 | tor8: so state the obvious :) | 08:38.35 |
| tor8 | autozooming is going to be more difficult, since we don't actually have a mode for page sizing | 08:38.38 |
| | x1: platform/x11/x11_main.c | 08:38.50 |
| | add "I" to the getopt() line, and then case 'I': gapp.invert = 1; break; | 08:39.02 |
| | then you can start mupdf with a -I flag and it'll invert the page by default | 08:39.51 |
| | http://pastebin.com/BVy8RMsC | 08:40.33 |
| x1 | thank you. | 08:41.04 |
| tor8 | x1: we can't autosize at startup, but if you know the approximate size you can use the -r flag to set the default zoom level | 08:41.56 |
| | it's usually picked up from the X server (which is probably going to be something like 96) | 08:43.25 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: ping | 10:48.17 |
| | chrisl: I tweaked the ghostscript.com website last night to alter the GSview.html page. | 10:48.46 |
| | GSview.html now redirects to GSView.html, and that now has revised text to point to gsview.com | 10:49.06 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: thanks, I saw your mention of it in the logs | 11:21.42 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: I know you said you planned to work on gsview.com today. | 11:22.07 |
| | I noticed that that was identifying it as "GsView" rather than "GSView" | 11:22.19 |
| chrisl | Well, I said "in the next week".... I have to prepare myself psychologicalyl for html hackning :-( | 11:22.46 |
| Robin_Watts | http://www.mobymemory.co.uk/ssd-s/5865-ocz-240gb-arc-100-series-sata-30-6gb-s-25-ssd-0842024036487.html | 11:34.46 |
| | 480GB SSD for 128 quid. Seems like a bargain. | 11:35.01 |
| | People that dislike skype because of the adverts: http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-disable-ads-in-skype/ | 11:37.07 |
| | (I can't help if you dislike skype for other reasons :) ) | 11:37.21 |
| chrisl | I just dislike skype - I find the UI unpleasant..... | 11:37.49 |
| Robin_Watts | Yeah, MS do seem to have made it worse and worse and worse... | 11:38.11 |
| | There is a "Compact Chat View" in the Tools -> Options -> IM & SMS ->IM appareance tab that helps a bit. | 11:39.53 |
| chrisl | Possibly not in the Linux one, it seems to lag behind. I'll check next time I fire it up | 11:40.33 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: yeah, probably not. | 11:40.47 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: did that. lost the ads, but did not get back the screen estate reserved for the ad. | 13:15.16 |
| paulgardiner | The second part got back the screen realestate for me | 13:19.51 |
| kens | <sigh> Just updated Skype (because it insisted), the UI is even worse than it was before ...... :-( | 13:25.47 |
| | As paulgardiner says, the editing of config.xml does add back the screen real estate for me too | 13:34.41 |
| astrodog | There used to be some XMPP <-> Skype bridge thing you could use. | 13:34.54 |
| kens | * Define the device as 8-bit gray scale to avoid computing halftones. | 13:35.12 |
| | */ | 13:35.12 |
| | subclass_std_device_dci_body(gx_device_mplt, 0, "Mono_PCL_Palette", default_subclass_finalize, &st_pcl_mono_palette_device, | 13:35.12 |
| | MAX_COORD, MAX_COORD, | 13:35.12 |
| | MAX_RESOLUTION, MAX_RESOLUTION, | 13:35.13 |
| | 1, 8, 255, 0, 256, 1),I still don't like the UI though | 13:35.13 |
| | O.O | 13:35.22 |
| | Sorry about that..... | 13:35.27 |
| | I still don't like the Skype UI though | 13:35.39 |
| paulgardiner | I updated too, clicking through two screen quickly without looking at check boxes :-( Bet I have to reset some stuff on my browser now. | 13:36.04 |
| kens | The cutesy-poo speech bubbles are really annnoying | 13:36.16 |
| | paulgardiner : you'l;l have bing and/or MSN as your home page now | 13:36.38 |
| | I forget what the other screen did | 13:36.47 |
| paulgardiner | Hmmm, That was what I was expecting, but I don't seem to | 13:37.00 |
| kens | Ah, it make sBing your default search engien and MSN your home page | 13:37.21 |
| | I forget the 3rd option sorry | 13:37.29 |
| astrodog | The last time I ran through Skype updates... it was some "User Experence Reporting" thing. | 13:37.35 |
| kens | It probably doesn't take effect until you restart your browser | 13:37.42 |
| | Robin_Watts : what version of Skype are you using ? THere's no compact Chat View in my version under IM appearance | 13:47.22 |
| Robin_Watts | 7.3.0.101 | 13:47.45 |
| kens | Oh mine is older (and I just updated, boggle!) | 13:48.07 |
| Robin_Watts | Also, I have the font set to 8pt Segoe UI. | 13:48.16 |
| | You can turn off the timestamps and the pictures of people too to save more space if you want (though I haven't done that) | 13:49.01 |
| kens | Yeah I tuned off the pictures already | 13:49.12 |
| | And indeed when I c heck updates 'there is a new update available'. So why the f**k did you install an older one then ? | 13:49.46 |
| | paulgardiner : THe first check box is to install 'Skype Click to Call' whatever that is | 13:50.26 |
| Robin_Watts | That turns phone numbers in webpages into clickable links that trigger skype. | 13:51.00 |
| | You do NOT want that, as it slows everything down. | 13:51.07 |
| kens | I unchecked *all* the boxen :-) | 13:51.23 |
| paulgardiner | Right. Let's see if I can uninstall that | 13:51.35 |
| | Gone | 13:52.19 |
| kens | Well, compact chat view made no difference, and despite unchecking the piuctures box, they are still present..... | 13:52.31 |
| Robin_Watts | I may have lied about being able to remove the pictures. | 13:53.01 |
| | and the compact chat view does make a difference, just not much of one. | 13:53.15 |
| kens | No the check box is there, and it worked with the older verison, but not with ths one | 13:53.17 |
| Robin_Watts | Which check box? I couldn't see it | 13:53.31 |
| kens | Its possible setting config.xml to read-only has broken it | 13:53.34 |
| Robin_Watts | I didn't set my config.xml to readonly. | 13:53.49 |
| kens | I did :-) | 13:53.59 |
| Robin_Watts | so I'm expecting ads to maybe reappear at some point. | 13:54.03 |
| kens | In general settings, 'show profile pictures' | 13:54.10 |
| Robin_Watts | oh, great. | 13:54.23 |
| | the pictures disappear, but the space is still used. | 13:54.34 |
| kens | I'd assume that its possible ads will reapper yes, or at least the placeholder will | 13:54.34 |
| | Yeah, but I don't like the pictures | 13:54.47 |
| | OK Compaxct chat view is a little better. Blink anud you miss it level of better, but I'll take anythign | 13:55.46 |
| paulgardiner | Since messing with the Skype config file, BSvcProcessor.exe keeps crashing... or maybe it's just that I updated | 14:03.41 |
| kens | Not seeing that problem myself | 14:04.29 |
| henrys | no big deal about the skype stuff... I don't want to use it unless everyone is really okay with it. I can't stand it myself. | 14:06.08 |
| mvrhel_laptop | chrisl: the gsview website changes look great. thanks! | 15:03.03 |
| chrisl | mvrhel_laptop: good! I hate to mention it, but we'll need some documentation, at some point...... | 15:03.30 |
| mvrhel_laptop | yes. I need to do that and get some things fixed that Robin_Watts already found | 15:04.24 |
| | I am hoping I can wrap up these customer issues and then I will work on documentation | 15:04.49 |
| | this week | 15:04.55 |
| | customer issues this week I mean | 15:05.06 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: Small nit with the gsview.com site... the top "GSView" appears to be in a different font/style than MuPDF or Ghostscript are (on mupdf.com and ghostscript.com) | 15:12.14 |
| | Also, if you click back and forth between ghostscript.com and gsview.com the spacing of the left hand column is nicer on ghostscript.com (IMHO) | 15:13.50 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: GSView is oblique - it looked very dull with it just normal. I can make it that way, though | 15:21.52 |
| Robin_Watts | Maybe do a MuPDF and have GS in Blue and View in Black? | 15:22.40 |
| | possibly not. | 15:22.43 |
| chrisl | I thought that looked a bit rubbish | 15:23.15 |
| | Robin_Watts: I've removed teh oblique, see what you think..... | 15:24.17 |
| Robin_Watts | I prefer that. | 15:24.37 |
| | I'd prefer it even more with the same spacings that ghostscript/mupdf have. | 15:24.52 |
| chrisl | I'm not really sure why that's different..... | 15:25.26 |
| kens | THe GS and MuPDF sites don't really match either | 15:26.04 |
| | FOr instance, teh links under the log are cetered in MuPDF and GSView but left aligned under GS | 15:26.33 |
| | Or at least 'more central' | 15:26.53 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: Yeah. | 15:27.08 |
| | MuPDF looks nicer than GS. | 15:27.29 |
| kens | Not picking holes, just an observation that the two existng sites don't match | 15:27.29 |
| chrisl | The spacing is a bit better now | 15:28.03 |
| Robin_Watts | Spacing for MuPDF and gsview now matches and looks nice. | 15:28.31 |
| | Spacing for gs is different (and inferior, IMHO) | 15:28.47 |
| | I prefer the spacing around the logo on the gs page to the gsview page though. | 15:29.24 |
| kens | THe other thing is the GS sghost log is much smaller then the MuPDF oen, it would be nicer (fromt eh point of view of flipping sites) if the sizes were more similar | 15:29.32 |
| Robin_Watts | I may have Ghostie as a vector here... | 15:30.05 |
| kens | Again, just an observation.... | 15:30.16 |
| | I don't normally flip between the sties.... | 15:30.38 |
| chrisl | I really don't think we should be using Ghostie for GSView | 15:30.42 |
| | Hmm, I'm not convinced the bigger Ghostie looks better...... | 15:33.34 |
| Robin_Watts | I have a GSView ico here. | 15:33.46 |
| | Which says "GSview" :) | 15:34.05 |
| kens | Well, the bigger logo is fuzzy | 15:34.34 |
| chrisl | Yeh, it's just an experiment | 15:34.50 |
| kens | It also looks wider somehwo | 15:35.01 |
| chrisl | Hmm, let me check.... | 15:35.31 |
| kens | Well GSView and MuPDF look quite similar that way | 15:35.39 |
| Robin_Watts | http://ghostscript.com/~robin/GSView.png | 15:36.25 |
| | That's the ico I have turned into a 256x256 png. | 15:36.35 |
| chrisl | Hmm, the capitalisation is wrong..... | 15:37.01 |
| kens | My complaint would be that the other sites don't have the name under the logo | 15:37.18 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: yeah. mvrhel_laptop probably has that as a vector, so he can change that easily. | 15:37.22 |
| chrisl | So, the box around the logos should now be consistent, at least. | 15:41.16 |
| | But somehow isn't :-( | 15:41.37 |
| kens | No gsview and gs jump up and down for me | 15:42.02 |
| chrisl | Yes, and yet it is the same png for both of them | 15:42.24 |
| kens | strange | 15:42.33 |
| mvrhel_laptop | miles was the one who wanted ghostie for gsview | 15:44.13 |
| | I had drawn a vector equivalent to what Russell had but miles did not like it | 15:44.38 |
| chrisl | Well, it makes no sense since it's not really displaying with Ghostscript, and now if you have Ghostscript and GSView installed, you get the same icon for both, which is likely to confuse some people | 15:45.12 |
| mvrhel_laptop | I agree | 15:45.20 |
| | Likely a topic for the staff meeting | 15:45.31 |
| chrisl | I think it needs something to differentiate it, even if it still has ghostie involved | 15:45.59 |
| mvrhel_laptop | When I say Miles did not like it, he said, please use ghostie | 15:46.13 |
| kens | ghostie with a magnifying glass, like MuPDF | 15:46.19 |
| chrisl | Yeh, that could work..... | 15:46.30 |
| mvrhel_laptop | some blend of the two could be clever | 15:46.32 |
| | Let me see what I can do in my spare time... | 15:47.14 |
| | having fun with altona files now | 15:47.27 |
| kens | You have spare time ? O.O | 15:47.30 |
| mvrhel_laptop | exactly | 15:47.40 |
| henrys | I'll put it on the agenda certainly we need a new icon. It's confusing as it is now. | 16:05.55 |
| mvrhel_laptop | thanks henrys | 16:06.16 |
| rayjj | mvrhel_laptop: BTW, I sent a work-around response based on gen_ordered screens to Jasper | 16:18.50 |
| mvrhel_laptop | rayjj: thanks. working on page 7 right now. looks like an issue with patterns and colors | 16:19.21 |
| rayjj | mvrhel_laptop: I don't know, but suspect that the DITHERPPI problem is *not* in the PS, but might be in the conversion from order to threshold | 16:19.46 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ah ok | 16:19.58 |
| | that could very well be | 16:20.18 |
| rayjj | I'll get back to that after wrapping up an issue for Len with a JPX file and Lab colorspace | 16:20.29 |
| mvrhel_laptop | great | 16:20.35 |
| Robin_Watts | http://ghostscript.com/~robin/ghostie_hug.png | 16:27.26 |
| | How about that? | 16:27.30 |
| | (As a graphic designer, I make an excellent programmer) | 16:27.39 |
| kens | I thnk our sales and marekting department should consider the problem :-) | 16:29.12 |
| Robin_Watts | I'm seeing 1/3 of them on Monday :) | 16:29.37 |
| | Scott is in London next week. | 16:29.43 |
| kens | I didn't know that.... | 16:29.51 |
| | Time for me to be off nayway, night all | 16:30.33 |
| henrys | mvrhel_laptop: I'm confused here, Miles told me asked you for a complete write up about gsview and he'd include that in the last newsletter, I don't see it. Did you write something? | 16:52.19 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: the spacing and logo box on ghostscript.com should now be consistent with the other two sites | 16:53.08 |
| mvrhel_laptop | henrys: not as confused as me. I did not write anything. It is possible he asked me verbally and I managed to forget | 16:53.41 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: Yes. | 16:53.41 |
| | But you've lost the separator bar under "Ghostscript" | 16:53.54 |
| henrys | okay so I should write something... no problem. | 16:54.18 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ok thanks | 16:54.23 |
| chrisl | I *really* hate this sh*t :-( | 16:54.24 |
| mvrhel_laptop | rayjj: I have narrowed down the issue on page 7 as something to do with the RGB ICC profile for the shading in the pattern and how it is interacting with the CMYK group for the transpareny | 16:55.15 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: looks very close though :) | 16:55.18 |
| chrisl | Robin_Watts: the separator is back...... | 16:57.35 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: Lovely. | 16:58.53 |
| | If you want to be consistent between the sites... we shouldn't say "Welcome to Ghostscript, an interpreter..." | 16:59.16 |
| | we should say: /an interpreter for the.../ | 16:59.29 |
| | Also, the other 2 sites have separator bars at the bottom and a copyright statement. | 16:59.55 |
| | ghostscript.com does not./ | 17:00.02 |
| chrisl | ghostscript.com never has had | 17:00.12 |
| mvrhel_laptop | gosh the adobe acrobat output really does not make any sense based upon these profiles | 17:42.10 |
| | I wonder if I should think about getting an updated version of acrobat to see what it is doing with this thing | 18:18.49 |
| | rayjj: I have this thing cut down to a very simple thing and I believe Adobe is screwing it up | 18:59.29 |
| | lunch now. I will get my ducks in a row and double check | 18:59.44 |
| | this afternoon | 18:59.51 |
| | a change of opacity from 0.99 to 1.00 causes a HUGE difference in Acrobats output | 19:00.21 |
| Robin_Watts | is that going to be the 'transfer functions don't work with opacity' or something ? | 19:10.26 |
| mvrhel_laptop | Robin_Watts: no. no transfer functions here | 19:29.59 |
| Robin_Watts | ok. | 19:30.09 |
| mvrhel_laptop | text filled with a pattern. pattern has a shading in ICC RGB wide gamut space | 19:30.30 |
| | drawn into transparency group of CMYK color space | 19:30.50 |
| | with the alpha of 0.99 | 19:31.01 |
| | simple conversion from RGB to CMYK with ICC profile | 19:31.14 |
| | with 0.99 alpha | 19:31.19 |
| | blending | 19:31.25 |
| | no odd blending | 19:31.35 |
| | no knockout or overprint foolishness | 19:31.49 |
| | there is an output intent profile | 19:31.55 |
| | which we use | 19:31.59 |
| | it is in the output preview that adobe has the radically different output | 19:32.21 |
| | need to head out for a bit | 19:32.26 |
| rayjj | mvrhel_laptop: are you still out ? | 20:48.16 |
| fredross-perry | questions: (1) oxps vs xps? and (2) ny sample oxps files to be had? Thanks. | 20:56.57 |
| | *any* samples | 20:57.05 |
| rayjj | mvrhel_laptop: I found the problem with cust 532's file. It has an image in it that is JPX encoded with Lab "colr" key. Apparently we never handled that previously. I found two things wrong in pdf_draw.ps. (1) in jp2_csp_dict it was defining /Lab as returning a name /Lab -- it needs a dict, and (2) it *requires* a WhitePoint array in the dict | 20:59.18 |
| | the first was tripped over by the PDF interp in the PS code, the second in validatelabspace C code | 21:00.14 |
| | I'll run a regression, but I think this is OK since we probably never had a file with this. The problem is that it is 28Mb :-( I'm not sure we want that in our regression suite | 21:01.57 |
| | mvrhel_laptop: see the logs from a few minutes ago, but is /WhitePoint [ 0.9505 1 1.0890 ] reasonable as a default for Lab colorspace (D65) ? | 21:03.11 |
| | I need this for JPX (JPEG2000) images that are in Lab colorspace | 21:04.04 |
| rayjj | is going to check if JPX allows for a key to set the WhitePoint to override the default | 21:04.51 |
| | well, maybe not. I don't have the JPX spec (ISO/IEC 15444-2) and don't want to pay for it | 21:15.09 |
| mvrhel_laptop | rayjj: that looks correct for D65 | 21:16.43 |
| rayjj | mvrhel_laptop: yes, I know. Is it reasonable to use in a /Lab colorspace param dict ? | 21:19.07 |
| | darn. I have to run pick up the twins. I'll check to logs... | 21:19.48 |
| mvrhel_laptop | ok back sorry rayjj | 21:30.58 |
| | It is a reasonable white point to use with an LAB colorspace | 21:31.14 |
| | aha. Acrobat responds big time to a change in the group not being isolated | 22:02.35 |
| | I suspect there is a CMYK to CMYK conversion going on there | 22:02.51 |
| | something to do a default CMYK to the output intent CMYK | 22:03.24 |
| | s/to do/to do with/ | 22:03.36 |
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