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| rayjj | so, why does the cluster build ghostxps (gxps) if I specify filter=pbmraw (guessing, marcos hasn't taken it into account in the increasingly complex cluster scripts)? | 04:17.07 |
| | it's not really a big deal, but once marcos's machines go down (which slows the testing down a lot), it just is a wasted step | 04:18.16 |
| kens | chrisl well done on finding that memory problem! | 07:40.40 |
| chrisl | kens: it was a bit of a mission, that one. Although, once again, I wonder how it hasn't caused more problems...... | 07:41.42 |
| kens | Yeah, it does look like it kind of ought to | 07:41.56 |
| chrisl | Well, we've had quite a few marcosw has mentioned that tiny differences on the command line make a problem appear and disappear, so maybe it has, and we don't know it | 07:42.55 |
| kens | Hmm I guess that's possible | 07:43.10 |
| | Its a good one to get fixed anyway | 07:43.31 |
| chrisl | Definitely. I'm quite relieved to put that one away | 07:44.29 |
| kens | chrisl the readme you pointed me at is not really relevant now we have a signed ghostpdf.inf. You can just add the printer on Windows 8 now. | 07:47.15 |
| chrisl | I was a bit on the fence about whether to update or to delete it. I sort of feel it worth changing the readme to say you need to "Add Printer", though | 07:48.31 |
| kens | I can do that, but it means that practically all the text will be removed though, since its mostly not true with a signed file (I did try this yesterday). | 07:49.19 |
| | I'll change the text a bit and send it to you to see what you think | 07:49.52 |
| chrisl | I just figured on copying what you have in the .inf comment into the readme, nothing more | 07:50.09 |
| kens | Hmm, OK I cna do that easily enough | 07:50.23 |
| chrisl | The reason being (and the reason I added it originally) is that I doubt many users of the .inf file would open it and read the comments | 07:50.29 |
| kens | True | 07:50.36 |
| chrisl | kens: that looks fine to me | 08:05.11 |
| | I mean, practically no one will read the readme, either, but at least we can just say "RTFM".... | 08:06.20 |
| | Out for a bit - back in a couple of hours..... | 08:14.31 |
| kens | Robin_Watts : ping | 09:00.56 |
| Robin_Watts | pong | 09:44.38 |
| kens | I was thinking about adding info on signing the .inf files to the twiki, not sure where to do it. Do you think adding something under Ghostscript makes sense ? | 09:45.20 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: Absolutely. | 09:48.42 |
| kens | OK then I'll have a bash at that :-) | 09:48.56 |
| Robin_Watts | http://twiki.ghostscript.com/do/view/Ghostscript/WebHome | 09:49.08 |
| | Start there. | 09:49.11 |
| kens | Yeah that's where I am | 09:49.17 |
| Robin_Watts | Choose 'Raw Edit' (I think Raw edit is easier for programmers than Edit is) | 09:49.31 |
| kens | Hmm, OK I'll see where I get to in a few minutes | 09:49.47 |
| Robin_Watts | Add a wiki word in the list under "RefactorForLanguages" | 09:50.02 |
| kens | Yeah I was thinking of adding 'signing ghostpdf.inf for WIndows' | 09:50.45 |
| Robin_Watts | kens: You need to pick a Wiki topic name for it. A WikiWord | 09:51.35 |
| kens | Umm OK | 09:51.42 |
| Robin_Watts | Like SigningDriver or something. | 09:51.52 |
| kens | I got involved with something else, I'll get back to it shortly | 09:51.55 |
| | Robin_Watts : can you have a look at that please and tell me what style policies I may be violating :-) | 10:06.42 |
| Robin_Watts | Looks good to me. | 10:08.50 |
| kens | Ah, thanks | 10:08.58 |
| | coffee time.... | 10:10.32 |
| | chrisl the website documentation looks good to me now, thanks! | 13:26.16 |
| chrisl | kens: the script used to work - no idea why it stopped.... | 13:26.41 |
| | I am surprised 8.71 didn't work, though | 13:27.14 |
| kens | Well the installer defintely doesn't work | 13:27.23 |
| | Gives an error running setupgs.exe | 13:27.33 |
| | TO be frank, I really wan't that interested :-) | 13:27.44 |
| chrisl | Of course, that was before I took over, so..... | 13:27.47 |
| kens | I did check 8.60 on my WIndows 95 and it did work, so I assumed the reporter was correct. | 13:28.11 |
| | I wasn't going to ask why he was still running Windows 95 in case he told me | 13:29.05 |
| chrisl | I've got to think it takes more effort, these days, to keep running Win95 than to use something a bit more modern | 13:29.25 |
| kens | I presume he's running it in a VM of some kind, I can't believe he's running it on real hardware | 13:29.50 |
| chrisl | Yeh, but still.... for what purpose? | 13:30.20 |
| kens | Some ancient crufty piece of software which he finds vitally important for his workflow I guess...... | 13:30.45 |
| chrisl | In which case, keep using the ancient crufty version of Ghostscript | 13:31.15 |
| kens | I was assumign he was freshly adding GS to the mix, though again, why rather escapes me.... | 13:32.25 |
| chrisl | 'Course, you can't get VS2003 these days | 13:34.12 |
| kens | I can't say I'msurprised | 13:34.47 |
| chrisl | I think you *can* still get it with an MSDN subscription | 13:35.35 |
| kens | I really, really don't want it :-) | 13:35.49 |
| | Mind you, I don't wnat VS 2013 either. Ugly looking thing | 13:36.10 |
| chrisl | I think anything after VS2008 looks pretty naff | 13:36.47 |
| kens | Oh, and my community edition only has a 30 day trial licence, I thought ths was the equivalent of Express | 13:37.04 |
| chrisl | Is it pre-release? | 13:37.29 |
| kens | No, its the real deal | 13:37.39 |
| | Maybe bits stop working in 29 days | 13:38.05 |
| chrisl | So, maybe you just have to register? I thought it was free for open source projects | 13:38.20 |
| kens | Possibly that's why it keeps wanting me to 'sign in'. I thought that was just for collaboration, but perhaps not. | 13:38.53 |
| | TBH I don;t thnk I care if it stops working in 30 days, I really don't thnk I want to be forced to use it | 13:39.14 |
| chrisl | Past experience says the command line utils keep working, so you'll have the bit(s) we need | 13:39.49 |
| kens | Won't be a problem, I still have VS 2008 | 13:40.27 |
| chrisl | I thought you needed 2013 for the signing | 13:41.10 |
| Robin_Watts | chrisl: You need VS2013 to install the signing tools. | 13:42.11 |
| | but I believe the signing tools are independent once installed. | 13:42.21 |
| kens | http://twiki.ghostscript.com/do/view/Ghostscript/SigningGhostpdf | 13:42.40 |
| henrys | kens: without windows 8 or future support shouldn't we be pulling that stuff out of the tree (deprecating)? | 14:09.09 |
| kens | It works on Windows 8, I tested it | 14:09.27 |
| | I have no idea if RedMon works, but the .inf file works fine | 14:09.43 |
| henrys | kens: ha I was reading your commit diff backwards | 14:10.52 |
| | sorry | 14:10.56 |
| kens | No problem, I can't recall what I said, maybe I wasn't clear | 14:11.11 |
| chrisl | henrys: since when does obsolescence result in removal from Ghostscript?? | 14:12.00 |
| kens | Oh I see, its the comment change in the diff | 14:12.06 |
| | The old comment said 'does not support Windows 8 and beyond' thich is what I removed :-) | 14:12.35 |
| henrys | kens: yes I read that as being added not removed | 14:12.55 |
| kens | I cna see that would be confusing | 14:13.10 |
| henrys | reading a diff, not really ;-) just got out of bed | 14:13.40 |
| chrisl | I see I was being particularly careful with the "at your own risk" repetitions..... | 14:14.24 |
| kens | Doing the .inf signing was something we discussed at the last staff meeting as a nice side benefit of getting a certificate. | 14:14.42 |
| | chrisl it was worth repeating.... | 14:15.23 |
| chrisl | I was acutely aware of the implications of saying "now, turn off all the security....." | 14:16.04 |
| kens | Yeah, not really the best plan | 14:16.25 |
| henrys | chrisl: I'm a bit baffled about the metrics, I looked at a few samples and don't see anything that would result in visible differences between PCL and PDF/PS. The design units are different but after accounting for they look very close. I am asking URW to look at it because they claim the metrics are incompatible. | 14:16.35 |
| chrisl | henrys: was that a recent claim, or a historic one? | 14:17.23 |
| kens | They may be thinking in terms of a .afm file, which is not the same as the metrics stored in a TT file. But we don't use the .afm metrics anyway | 14:17.50 |
| henrys | kens: oh good point | 14:18.14 |
| kens | I have to go out for a bit, back later (I hope) | 14:18.14 |
| henrys | chrisl: recent. | 14:18.33 |
| chrisl | I was thinking, with everyone converging on the Windows TTF fonts in recent years as the benchmark, I'd surprised if PCL and PS/PDF could get away with differing metrics | 14:18.55 |
| henrys | chrisl: the response to that has been embed the fonts, but we have to pass quality logic | 14:20.25 |
| | chrisl: not really an issue with PXL or a lot of PDF where character positoning xyshow is common | 14:21.04 |
| | PXL is only xyshow actually | 14:21.16 |
| chrisl | henrys: I guess that is true.... still, we see enough cases without the fonts embedded | 14:25.08 |
| henrys | chrisl: one of the few things XPS got right ... get rid of the damn resident fonts | 14:26.11 |
| chrisl | henrys: can't argue with that! | 14:28.00 |
| tor8 | Robin_Watts: one last commit on tor/master before I leave | 14:28.11 |
| Robin_Watts | tor8: looking... | 14:28.22 |
| | I give you a fortnight before you'll be hacking epub again :) | 14:28.48 |
| tor8 | it's ... unfortunately too credible for me to bet against ;) | 14:29.34 |
| Robin_Watts | looks plausible to me. | 14:29.52 |
| chrisl | tor8: I'd think epub would be one of the things you'd not miss! | 14:30.10 |
| henrys | tor8: have a great time, we'll miss you! | 14:30.29 |
| Robin_Watts | yeah, have fun. | 14:32.29 |
| mvrhel | bye tor8! | 14:36.19 |
| Robin_Watts | Right, let's convert all those tabs to spaces... | 14:37.51 |
| henrys | yes apply http://www.ghostscript.com/doc/9.16/C-style.htm to mupdf ;-) | 14:40.44 |
| tor8 | thanks everyone! | 14:41.07 |
| | I'll be back in a couple of weeks... | 14:41.45 |
| | ...maybe sooner if my tabs have evaporated ;) | 14:41.54 |
| chrisl | tor8: the staff meeting just won't be the same without your happy, smiling face! | 14:43.14 |
| sebras | ha! I'll pester tor8 with lots of mupdf-questions during his sabbatical... ;) | 14:45.45 |
| tor8 | chrisl: careful, if you yank too hard my leg might come off... ;) | 14:45.59 |
| chrisl | tor8: okay. So, it won't be the same without you there to swap complaints with...... | 14:47.11 |
| tor8 | chrisl: that sounds more like it :) | 14:47.21 |
| | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/ I hope we deleted our account there... | 14:47.29 |
| chrisl | We haven't deleted it, but it is no longer used - for exactly that reason | 14:48.25 |
| rayjj | wow, what do these customers expect -- they want us to test to make sure changes work ? ;-) | 18:10.56 |
| | cheeky | 18:11.05 |
| Robin_Watts | rayjj: The mupdf question? Yes :) | 18:30.36 |
| rayjj | now the HT tiling code patterns match, and pixel transition points match, but the transfer functions differ (at least if I add -c "{} settransfer" to the test cases, it matches | 18:40.01 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: hold on - no response for them right? did you see miles' last email? | 18:58.31 |
| Robin_Watts | henrys: oh, crap. | 18:58.45 |
| | I forgot. | 18:58.48 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: don't worry about it. | 18:59.01 |
| Robin_Watts | I sent them a binary for them to try. | 18:59.38 |
| | If they want more than that I'll check with Miles. | 18:59.57 |
| henrys | Robin_Watts: good enough. | 19:00.09 |
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