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kens Something really weird happening with cluster tests. I cluster p[ushed my latest commit and it was clean, I pushed it and the test result comes back with 7750 files producing errors. My change was in pdfwrite, most of the errors are produced in straight interpreting. Same thing happened to me on a cluster test yesterday too :-(12:03.33 
Robin_Watts rebooting. brb.12:04.13 
kens Hmm all the failing results are on peeves....12:08.06 
  Yes, every test on peeves returned '1', all the other nodes were fone.12:09.44 
  In every case peeves' error messdage was "GPL Ghostscript 9.19: Can't find initialization file gs_init.ps."12:10.17 
marcosw1 kens: odd that peeves fails in this way. I haven't made any changes to the cluster in weeks. I'll look into it.12:52.22 
kens marcosw1 I'm not at all sure what the problem is, beyond it not being my code changes!¬12:58.10 
marcosw1 kens: when I manually run one of the jobs from the logs it works fine. trying a clusterpush now12:58.59 
kens marcosw1 I did another cluster push and it was OK, it seems to be highly intermittent12:59.23 
  I'm unsure what would cause the problem too.....12:59.40 
marcosw1 kens: my clusterpush worked as well. I'll take peeves offline until I'm more awake and can think.13:00.12 
kens There's no rush13:00.49 
  I had the same problem yesterday on a test and just reran it, then thought no more about it, the only reason I looked at ths one is because it was from a commit (I'm very glad I cluster tested before the commit).13:01.30 
  Hopw peeves is unable to find gs_init.ps baffles me though13:01.49 
Robin_Watts ok, electrical testing rescheduled for tomorrow.14:36.23 
rayjj kens: your problem was with peeves, not peeved, right ?14:51.13 
kens yes correct14:51.24 
Robin_Watts trusts that rays next machine will be "irate".14:52.13 
rayjj or ticked14:52.31 
  marcosw1: I notice that peeved is disabled. Is it still misbehaving ?14:53.31 
  Logging into it no longer has delays for me.14:54.17 
kens chrisl I assigned that isntaller bug to you but I'm inlcined to close it as 'wontfix'15:09.28 
chrisl kens: I agree with your comment. The only thing I *might* do is refuse to install over a previous install15:10.07 
kens That makes sense15:10.48 
chrisl Of course, I've no idea *how* I would do that......15:11.08 
kens For the next release :-)15:11.09 
chrisl I'd *really* like to get the revisions to the installer finished at some point15:11.34 
kens could check for the existence of bin/gswin32 or bin/gswin6415:11.35 
chrisl Well, yes, but how to mallet nsis into doing that is another story15:12.05 
kens cannot help with that15:12.20 
chrisl I'll spend some time on the installer in the next couple of months - I think I had it working quite well15:12.59 
marcosw1 rayjj: yes, peeved still takes a long time to compile ghostscript. 15:50.28 
  chrisl: can I ask you stupid questions about compiling ghostscript under windows?15:50.57 
Robin_Watts marcosw1: You can ask stupid questions, and if chrisl is unavailable, and I can answer them, I will.15:52.01 
  Though I would point out that asking stupid questions is generally my area of responsibility.15:52.44 
chrisl I'm here - just catching up with some e-mails.....15:52.56 
marcosw1 Robin_Watts: you haven't heard my questions :-)15:53.10 
kens GMail has been spam binning gs-bugs for me again :-(15:53.15 
marcosw1 I'm trying to automate regression testing under windows, so am building Ghostscript using the command line with nmake.15:53.20 
  I have Visual Studio 2013 installed in Windows 7.1.15:53.49 
kens This permits you to test a new version before switching for example.You need the visual studio command propt too, or you need to adjust the paths in your shell using vcvars.bat15:54.12 
  Oops, paste error15:54.21 
Robin_Watts The supplied VS projects will not work with 2013 without being 'imported'.15:54.38 
  You would do better to use VS2005.15:54.49 
  or VS2008.15:55.00 
chrisl Not relevant when using nmake directly15:55.05 
kens I htnk 2008 imports them too15:55.06 
  But chrisl is correct.15:55.15 
Robin_Watts 2010 imports, 2008 does not.15:55.19 
  Fair enough, yes.15:55.23 
marcosw1 First of all, it's taking 15 minutes to build, that seems like a long time. 15:55.30 
Robin_Watts sorry, I'll shut up.15:55.33 
chrisl marcosw1: is that in a VM?15:55.43 
kens Robin_Watts : I'm on 2008 team stusio, and it insists on importing them15:55.50 
marcosw1 chrisl: yes.15:56.00 
Robin_Watts marcosw1: nmake doesn't do parallel builds.15:56.10 
marcosw1 Robin_Watts: yeah, I figured that out.15:56.20 
chrisl Then that's about the same as I get in a VM15:56.22 
Robin_Watts jom does, but last I checked, it broke with gs. There was a bug open.15:56.32 
marcosw1 Robin_Watts: It doesn't really matter, once I get it working the compile time is not an issue. it's only while I'm testing that it's annoying.15:57.03 
chrisl So, I haven't actually seen a question.....15:57.35 
marcosw1 anyway, I've managed to get it to build in the past with this configuration, but now am seeing missing ws2_32.lib issues. 15:58.00 
  is that something I screwed up?15:58.10 
kens Are you using the visual studio command prompt, did you run vcvars.bat ?15:58.34 
marcosw1 I am not using the visual studio command prompt, but am running "(long path)\Common7\Tools\VsDevCmd.bat"15:59.23 
kens I am not certain that's the right thing15:59.41 
chrisl IIRC, ws2_32.lib is for the Windows printing stuff15:59.54 
kens Possibly you don;t have the environment variables set up correctly. However, I am not running VS 2013, so that could be correct16:00.08 
  I htought it was the sockets library16:00.40 
  In fact it is16:00.53 
chrisl Yes, I thought it was a dependency for one of the print queue libs, but seems not. Seems it's there for cups.....16:01.50 
kens Hmm, well I admit I don't know why it would bethere.16:02.11 
marcosw1 chrisl: right. forgot to mention that I'm building with cups support.16:02.13 
kens Since we dropped cups from WIndows, maybe we don't need ths ?16:02.21 
marcosw1 i.e. WITH_CUPS=116:02.22 
kens ah16:02.28 
marcosw1 we dropped cups from windows? 16:02.32 
  how am I going to regression test it? :-)16:02.42 
kens From the default windows build, I thnk, yes16:02.47 
  How were you going to run CUPS on Windows ?16:03.00 
chrisl The cluster just deals with cups rasters16:03.16 
kens I know, I know, you weren't16:03.19 
marcosw1 kens: the same way i run it on linux. generate a raster.16:03.21 
chrisl So, either VS2013 doesn't come with ws2_32.lib, or something strange is happening.....16:04.20 
kens According ot the quesions on SO, it is in VS 201316:04.36 
marcosw1 the thing is, I'm 100% sure this used to work and I haven't made any changes to anything. I'm still testing with some ancient ghostpdl source tree and haven't touched the VM since I set it up two years ago.16:05.19 
kens Can you find the .lib file on the VM ?16:05.40 
marcosw1 I'm using .bat files to launch nmake, so I'm sure the options are correct.16:05.45 
kens There is a suggesiotn here that yo uneed the PLatform SDK, I'm not sure if that's true, but that's why I suggest you check to see if its present on your VM16:06.42 
marcosw1 there is a ws2_32.dll in \windows\system3216:06.54 
kens No, you need the .lib16:07.03 
marcosw1 also in \Windows\SysWow6416:07.08 
kens You cna't statically link against a dynamic link library16:07.28 
  You need the .lib file16:07.34 
  Its apparently in c:\program files\Microsoft Visaul Studio 8\VC\PlatformSDK\Lib16:08.16 
  YMMV16:08.19 
marcosw1 nevermind, I have four copies of ws2_32.lib (apparently the finder thingy doesn't show .lib extensions (but does show .dll, so that's fun].16:10.09 
kens You can change that (I have because I hate it). WHere are they ? I have 14 copies myself :-)16:10.52 
  So I'd have to guess none of those .lib files is in the linker path used by nmake16:11.25 
marcosw1 kens: not sure, can't figure out how to change the search results column widiths.16:11.26 
kens grab the little | between columns and pull it around16:11.43 
marcosw1 kens: nope, no | between columns16:11.56 
kens Hmm what version of WIndows is ths ?16:12.06 
marcosw1 7.116:12.11 
kens Weird, that's what I'm using. Oh well16:12.22 
pedro_mac I think the newer VS installs use platform SDKs fro Program Files (x86)/Windows Kits/<ver>16:12.52 
kens Anyway, I would guess that the paths are the problem somewhere, the shell you are using and the nmake invocation aren';t finding those libraries16:13.01 
marcosw1 kens: I know. 16:13.13 
kens pedro_mac : yes that's *one* of the places I have the libs :-)16:13.16 
marcosw1 but why?16:13.18 
kens That I'm less sure of. Especially without knowing where they are to be found (you haven't said)16:13.52 
  It doesn't help that I'm not using VS 2013 of course16:14.23 
marcosw1 kens: I don't think it matters where they are. Someone where in c:\Program Files (x86)\16:14.33 
  they are wherever the installer put them.16:14.48 
kens Right, but are they installed as part of VS 2013, or as part of something else16:15.01 
marcosw1 they had to be installed with vs2013. this machine doesn't have anything else installed on it.16:15.20 
kens These thngs can be installed multiple ways (which is why I have 14 copies)16:15.21 
  OK well that helps16:15.26 
marcosw1 i have a clean copy of win7.1 that I clone whenver I do anything with windows.16:15.41 
  (possibly a technical violation of license terms but since I delete the vm immediately after I think I'm okay).16:16.26 
kens won't tell anyone16:16.46 
marcosw1 good thing we don't log irc.16:17.01 
  speaking of licenses. I was going to buy another 7.1 license after I got this working since the regression vm will need to run 24/7 but Microsoft apparently stopped selling retail 7.1 last year. You can still buy oem versions of 7.1 but it's very unclear whether that's okay to use16:18.18 
kens Umm it seems MS changed the name ofthe batch file for 2013, so I'm kind of at a loss to help you since I don;t have it installed, anyone else using it ?16:18.59 
  I guess hte other thing to do is to try it in the solution and see if that works16:19.41 
marcosw1 http://www.zdnet.com/article/is-it-ok-to-use-oem-windows-on-your-own-pc-dont-ask-microsoft/16:19.56 
mvrhel_laptop ok lunch set with MQ for Friday16:20.45 
marcosw1 i'm happy to try a different version of Visual Studio. I tried 2015 first but it doesn't run on Windows 7.1 (installs without warning or error, but just doens't work).16:21.17 
kens I thnk that needs windows 8 or better16:21.58 
marcosw1 I don't think I want to use VS2005 or even VS2008. Anything made this decade okay to use?16:22.07 
kens I don't know, I'musing 2008 :-)16:22.23 
  Michael must be using somethign more recent16:22.35 
marcosw1 kens: I have no idea what to say about the fact that you are using 7 year old development tools. Are you running on Vista or XP?16:23.30 
kens Neither Widows 716:23.46 
  Just bought a new laptop fdor Melanie now that it comes with Windows 1016:24.20 
marcosw1 but Windows 7 wasn't released until 2009. VS2008 was (presumably) released in 2008. 16:24.22 
chrisl marcosw1: the binaries we ship are built with VS200516:24.23 
marcosw1 chrisl: on paper tape or punch cards?16:25.08 
  can I ask why kens using VS2008 and chrisl VS2005? Are the newer versions that bad?16:25.50 
chrisl VS2005 for maximum compatibility16:26.08 
kens This permits you to test a new version before switching for example.I don't want to spend money on a newer version I don;t need, and I utterly detest the newer user interfaces16:26.18 
chrisl kens: you *really* need to sort out that copy'n'paste thing!16:26.55 
kens I know, I know :-(16:27.02 
marcosw1 kens: right, forgot that Microsoft charges for their development kits (and operating systems).16:27.05 
  I remember the yelling when Sun started charging for their Sparc C compiler. Lot's of yelling on the internets. Wonder how Sun is doing...16:28.15 
kens Its defineitly holding down shift whihch pastes it, but I have that turned off in Windows, so I don't know where that's coming fomr :-(16:28.29 
chrisl So, looks like: Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.x\Lib\winv6.3\um\x86 (or x64)\WS2_32.lib16:29.05 
  WTF have the M$ people been smoking?!?!16:29.25 
marcosw1 chrisl: that sort of matches one of my locations: ...\Windows Kits\8.0\Lib\win8\u...16:30.44 
  also ...\Microsoft SDKs\WIndows\v7...16:30.56 
  the latter have a timestamp of 10/1/2012 and th former 8/2/2013.16:31.23 
kens TIme for me to go, good luck with bulding marcosw116:31.33 
chrisl marcosw1: what was the "issue" you saw with the library?16:31.51 
marcosw1 the linker doesn't find it.16:31.58 
Robin_Watts marcosw1: VS2005 will build for windows XP SP1.16:32.22 
  Sorry.16:32.31 
marcosw1 btw, just to confuse things further, I'm using Windows 7.1 x64.16:32.38 
Robin_Watts VS2008 will build for XP SP1 I think.16:32.45 
  VS2005 builds for earlier versions too.16:32.56 
marcosw1 and I do seem to have both 32 and 64 bit versions of ws2_32.lib installed16:32.59 
chrisl Hrm, it really should find it under Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v7.1A......16:33.07 
Robin_Watts hence we use VS2005 to ensure maximum compatibility.16:33.12 
marcosw1 I have one there.16:33.44 
  ...SDKs\Windows\v7.1A\Lib\x6416:34.02 
  and one in V7.1A\Lib16:34.38 
chrisl I'd think that should work. Do you get the same error for 32 bit and 64 bit builds?16:35.37 
marcosw1 here's the thing. the other lib specified in libc32.tr (e.g. winspool.lib) are in the same directory but are found no problem.16:35.43 
  chrisl: I think so. Stopped trying 64 bit builds last night because it was taking so long.16:36.07 
  (btw, there are more libs in libc32.tr, winspool.lib was just an example).16:36.29 
chrisl So, VS2012 was still using vcvars32.bat and vcvarsx86_amd64.bat to setup the command prompt environment.... did they really change the name in VS2013?16:37.48 
marcosw1 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13774375/difference-between-vsdevcmd-bat-vcvarsall-bat-in-vs201216:38.21 
  i can't recall why I'm not using vcvars32.bat. The compile .bat file is 2 years old.16:39.21 
chrisl Can you post the nmake command line?16:39.47 
marcosw1 did someone say that ws2_32.lib is only needed for cups?16:39.50 
Robin_Watts tor8: Had you reviewed the 3 commits on robin/master?16:40.13 
chrisl It was added for cups16:40.19 
marcosw1 nmake -f psi\msvc.mak BUILD_SYSTEM=64 MSVC_VERSION=1216:40.23 
  that's without cups obviously. trying that know.16:40.38 
  s/know/now16:40.45 
  I know I have notes somewhere that lists what I went through when figuring this out two years ago, just cant' find them.16:41.39 
chrisl I would suggest dropping the BUILD_SYSTEM=6416:42.18 
marcosw1 really wishes it didn't take 15 minutes to compile. Now looking for windows ccache...16:42.29 
  I can try that, but I suspect it's there for a reason. 16:42.51 
chrisl Use real hardware16:42.52 
Robin_Watts marcosw1: With ccache, you'd just end up debugging ccache too.16:43.20 
chrisl marcosw1: it *was* there for a reason, that reason no longer exists - and I think is what's causing you problems16:43.34 
marcosw1 chrisl: nothing has changed, i'm compiling gs source from November 2013.16:44.28 
  wish I had my notes...16:44.45 
chrisl Well, then I would suggest using more up to date sources!16:45.34 
marcosw1 thinks it's ironic that it's been suggested I use earlier development systems AND new source16:46.27 
chrisl Well, take your pick - use old source and old VS, or newer source and newer VS.....16:46.56 
marcosw1 seems like vs2013 and source from 2013 shouldn't be a problem...16:47.36 
  anyway, I was just trying to ask if this is a known issue. I'll keep working on it.16:48.48 
chrisl VS2013 was released mid-October 201316:48.50 
henrys sent official word to URW to start the project ;-)16:49.13 
marcosw1 make sense. apparently I worked on this in November 2013.16:49.22 
henrys should have been :-)16:49.37 
Robin_Watts henrys: Excellent.16:49.49 
chrisl Cool - I wonder how long.....16:50.01 
  marcosw1: I'd really urge you to use the current code (or at least the RC)16:50.39 
henrys chrisl: hopefully before GG discovers what they are doing ... but seriously it was an 8 week estimate16:51.28 
Robin_Watts If marcosw1 is envisaging using this machine as something to build old versions of the source on, then using an older toolchain might make sense.16:51.55 
chrisl henrys: I gotta think GG will want this too, so if we pay for it, they get it free......16:52.07 
Robin_Watts let's not mention that to Miles, eh? :)16:52.49 
chrisl It's not a new thing16:53.33 
henrys chrisl: sure but you know some asshole manager gets hears about it and starts making noises... who knows16:53.46 
  s/hears/word16:53.57 
chrisl Hopefully, the worst of the asshole managers aren't there any more16:54.13 
  I would prefer marcosw1 to use VS2005 at least as a baseline, since it's what we use for our binaries16:54.45 
henrys we spent a good deal of time with kendall and his collegues in chicago, great folks I thougth.16:54.57 
  but we are competitors.16:55.22 
chrisl I'll be impressed (and relieved) if they get it done in 8 weeks - bearing in mind the last set we had done....16:56.13 
henrys I forgot to bring up yesterday I've approved with Miles increasing the bounty what do ya'll think of that? I'm thinking it should be doubled.16:56.28 
rayjj chrisl: I thought there was a problem building 64 bit on VS 200516:57.47 
tor8 Robin_Watts: yes, 3 commits on robin/master are good to go16:58.16 
rayjj (maybe it's just my VS 2005 doesn't)16:58.18 
Robin_Watts tor8: Thanks.16:58.23 
  rayjj: There are 64bit compilers you can install for VS2005.16:58.38 
  IIRC.16:58.41 
tor8 Robin_Watts: 3 epub commits on tor/master16:59.07 
  and I think we should be able to push the tor/glut branch to master as well16:59.25 
  there's a commit on mujs tor/master if you want to review that as well, for the setjmp fixes17:00.13 
  which we should pull into mupdf17:00.17 
marcosw1 chrisl: if I remove ws2_32.lib from libc32.tr and link manually it works. 17:00.46 
  chrisl: i'm happy to use vs2005, but can't figure out how to download the express edition. still looking...17:02.08 
chrisl I don't there was an express of 200517:03.16 
marcosw1 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=80417:03.29 
  there is a service pack17:03.36 
  chrisl: how do you propose I get a copy? Do we have a spare license?17:04.30 
  (not for the express edition, but for the paid for one).17:04.53 
Robin_Watts tor8: /* TODO: reference count outline */ would seem important?17:06.04 
  tor8: epub changes seem reasonable, other than that TODO.17:12.31 
  and that todo may be ignorable if we have similar limitations elsewhere?17:13.22 
tor8 oh yeah, I should probably fix that before we push17:14.33 
  the fz_link_dest structure is a bit inflexible and very pdf oriented :(17:15.04 
  I might give that a remake when bashing more on forms after the release17:15.21 
marcosw1 rayjj: I just tested peeved and it does seem to be okay. I've re-enabled it and peeves (peeves was having odd issue before with ken's clusterpush, but I can't recreate the problem so am ignoring it for now).17:17.12 
chrisl marcosw1: I have to finish now. Good luck!17:25.11 
marcosw1 chrisl_away: thx17:28.16 
  rayjj: never mind, there is still something strange going on with peeved. I'll write you an email describing the symptoms.17:28.49 
  who needs fibre? I'm getting 10.9 MB/s sustained downloads from casper :-) I know, fibre is ~100MB/s.17:32.00 
henrys marcosw1: my friends are getting about 40017:32.38 
  marcosw1: I'm still waiting ... impatently17:33.51 
Robin_Watts I checked on fibre here yesterday.17:36.20 
  Every house in my street is listed as being in an "Enabled Area". Except mine.17:36.38 
  I think when I moved house 13 years ago, and brought the phone number with me, they didn't update the details of which telephone pole I'm connected to.17:37.21 
  Hence they think my house is 3 miles away.17:37.31 
  That's gonna be fun to sort out with BT :(17:37.40 
henrys marcosw: I've seen that gs_init.ps thing to but I cleaned my directory and couldn't reproduce it.17:43.42 
  marcosw: not during a cluster push17:44.00 
marcosw1 Robin_Watts: probably easier if you just move back to the old house.17:44.24 
  henrys: my least favourite words: "could not reproduce it"17:44.53 
Robin_Watts Well, I buy broadband through a reseller of BT, eclipse. Eclipse have good customer service. Eclipse can sort it out with BT :)17:45.25 
henrys Robin_Watts: so you need ethernet cable to your neighbors ?17:45.29 
Robin_Watts henrys: Hell no. One of my neighbours is a direct customer of BT, the other is a Talk Talk customer. I'll live with ADSL rather than touch either of those :)17:46.24 
henrys I forget what you're ADSL speeds are but I recall they are a little low.17:47.13 
Robin_Watts 18 down, 1 up.17:48.33 
marcosw1 are those MB or Mb per sec?17:50.18 
Robin_Watts Mb17:50.23 
marcosw1 ouch, I have 150Mb/s down (and I think 20Mb/s up).17:50.55 
henrys Robin_Watts: do you game online? I guess latency is more a factor with that.17:51.52 
Robin_Watts ADSL2 tops out at 24Mb/s down, 1Mb/s up.17:52.09 
  henrys: I don't generally play online games, but even if I did, I think my speeds would be fine.17:52.29 
  Fibre is not critical for me, but it would certainly be nice.17:53.03 
henrys marcosw1: is that business class or something I get around 60 down 6 up with cable.17:56.22 
  ?17:56.23 
Robin_Watts marcosw: Are you DSL/Cable/Fibre?17:57.50 
  tor8: Are you here?18:30.24 
marcosw1 henrys: no, it's consumer. What comcast calls Blast.19:08.27 
  Robin_Watts: cable. I get internet/tv/phone through one coax.19:09.09 
mvrhel_laptop fixed a pile of issues with gsview. now the 3001 page stress document works pretty reasonable. as soon as I add a couple more things to the forms capability (listbox and signatures) I will make a new release19:11.29 
marcosw1 henrys: looks like I might have Blast 15019:11.37 
mvrhel_laptop lunch time now19:11.46 
fredross-perry mvrhel_laptop: check your email for something from me regarding gsview. Thanks.19:12.15 
mvrhel_laptop fredross-perry: ok thanks19:12.26 
  fredross-perry: I don't see anything...19:13.08 
fredross-perry feh. hang on…19:13.19 
mvrhel_laptop oh19:13.44 
  went in the trash....19:13.49 
  sorry about htat19:14.05 
fredross-perry ha19:14.10 
  just sent it again.19:14.16 
mvrhel_laptop fredross-perry: so let me add in some error checking that you can copy to check that the profiles are appropriate19:15.18 
rayjj marcosw: is peeved still a problem ? It is still "disabled", but I think it should be OK now19:15.19 
fredross-perry that sound fine. Thanks.19:15.41 
mvrhel_laptop fredross-perry: I will also send you a couple profiles to use for testing19:15.46 
  which should give more saturated looking colors19:15.56 
  but it may not be until later this week19:16.08 
fredross-perry good as well. OK19:16.12 
mvrhel_laptop bbiaw19:16.34 
tor8 Robin_Watts: I'm here now.19:30.49 
Robin_Watts tor8: I am confused by something in pdf_repair.c19:31.13 
  In pdf_repair_obj, we call pdf_parse_dict and we pass a NULL doc.19:31.51 
  The comment says "Send NULL xref so we don't try to resolve references"19:32.10 
  How would we ever try to resolve refs when parsing a dict?19:32.22 
tor8 if it's the encryption dictionary, we read from it in the next if-block19:34.16 
  and then we read the /Length19:34.25 
  etc.19:34.26 
rayjj henrys: et. al, it seems that the company M board I have is dead. When I plugged it in, I heard a 'pop' and the lights never went on. I put my DVM on it and the 5v to the board is OK, but when I connect the jumper to pass it to the board, it goes to 0.00v, so it is somehow toasted20:10.20 
  mvrhel: henrys: I don't think it is worth it to request the older board, but if you want to, fine and I will replicate the previous tests with the current code20:11.33 
  henrys: in the meantime, I will fire up my Pi and run the tests there -- assuming I get similar results, then we can consider performance analysis on the Pi (if we start with results that are close, profiling should be valid)20:12.51 
  henrys: NB: I'll run the Pi with the same params, and at 800 MHz which is what the M board ran20:13.37 
rayjj did what I did to trace the board, but without schematics and layout, it's really hard on a mutilayer PCB with mostly surface mount compents. No Joy :-(20:14.56 
rayjj suspects a voltage spke that fried the voltage regulator (but I don't even know if there is just one, or several)20:15.52 
  could be as simple as a shorted cap near the input power, but SM components are hard to deal with20:16.48 
mvrhel_laptop rayjj: the old part is still in production and used21:04.08 
  It would probably be worthwhile to get another one as this chip is a different market price point I believe. I will talk to MQ about it on Friday21:04.57 
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