| | <<<Back 1 day (to 2019/01/02) | 20190103 |
| espectalll[m] | Hi, can I ask on licensing details over here? | 13:05.10 |
| kens | You can ask, but we probably can't tell you much. Its only the engineering staff here, and wehile we can clarify some points, we are not lawyers | 13:05.48 |
| | If you are unsure about your usage under the AGPL you probably need to seek qualified proifessional advice | 13:06.21 |
| Robin_Watts | espectalll[m]: Anything involving dollar amounts, we are unable to answer. | 13:07.47 |
| | But we can probably proffer some (non guaranteed) personal opinions on whether a particular usage pattern is conformant or not. | 13:08.48 |
| | espectalll[m]: Why don't you ask, and we'll tell you if it's outside the boundaries of what we are comfortable answering. | 13:09.28 |
| espectalll[m] | Sure, I'll ask straight, it doesn't involve dollars hopefully | 13:23.27 |
| | What's the current licensing for GhostPDL fonts? | 13:23.58 |
| kens | The URW fonts are AGPL as I recall | 13:24.11 |
| | The PCL fonts are (I think) a different licence | 13:24.28 |
| | More restrictive | 13:24.35 |
| | Which ones did you mean ? | 13:24.56 |
| espectalll[m] | I was wondering about some URE fonts that aren't part of Base35 | 13:25.21 |
| kens | s/URW/PostScript/ | 13:25.27 |
| espectalll[m] | Specifically URW Classic Sans | 13:25.31 |
| kens | That's a PCL font | 13:25.40 |
| | Well, its a TrueType format but its supplied as part of the PCL package | 13:25.53 |
| | That's supplied under the old Aladdin licence I think | 13:26.24 |
| espectalll[m] | Yeah, that and the two LICENSE files (at / and pcl/) confuse me | 13:26.36 |
| | But it seems like it is Alladin at first | 13:26.54 |
| kens | The *fonts* are aladdin, the code is AGPL | 13:27.06 |
| Robin_Watts | espectalll[m]: Where are you looking for those license files? (in ghostpdl.git or a ghostpdl release archive? Or somewhere else?) | 13:27.36 |
| espectalll[m] | On the release archive | 13:27.50 |
| kens | For historical reasons basically. I wasn't arouind for the history of all this, but we changed the soruce licecne to GPL then AGPL, btu we can't change the licence for the fonts because we don't own them | 13:27.52 |
| espectalll[m] | oh, it's not owned by Artifex? | 13:28.13 |
| kens | The fotns aren't, no | 13:28.20 |
| espectalll[m] | Should I contact URW then? | 13:28.22 |
| kens | The source code for the program is | 13:28.27 |
| | NB we don't own the PostScript fonts either, all the fonts are (I think) Owned by URW | 13:28.49 |
| Robin_Watts | Artifex paid URW for a license to the PCL fonts. They sold us the rights to ship them under the Aladdin license. | 13:29.04 |
| kens | We negotiated a AGPL licence for the PostScript fonts, but the PCL fonts... what Robin said | 13:29.20 |
| Robin_Watts | In order to ship them under the GNU AGPL, we'd need to relicense the fonts. | 13:29.39 |
| | That would require a) us being prepared to spend the money, and b) URW being prepared to relicense them. | 13:29.58 |
| | I am not sure whether it's a) or b) or both that's stopping that. I *suspect* b, but I could be wrong. | 13:30.52 |
| espectalll[m] | I see, I'll try to see what I can do then | 13:30.52 |
| | Thanks! | 13:30.55 |
| kens | NP | 13:30.59 |
| | Ah here's the relevant bit from 'LICENSE' in /ghostpdl/pcl: | 13:31.57 |
| | The set of truetype fonts in the urwfonts directory are necessary for | 13:31.57 |
| | the PCL/XL interpreter to function properly but they ARE NOT FREE | 13:31.57 |
| | SOFTWARE and are NOT distributed under the GNU GPL. They can instead | 13:31.57 |
| | be redistributed under the AFPL licence which bars commercial use. | 13:31.57 |
| | If your copy of GhostPDL includes these fonts, you should have | 13:31.57 |
| | received a copy of the the Aladdin Free Pubilc License, usually | 13:31.57 |
| | in a file called COPYING.AFPL. If not, please contact Artifex | 13:31.58 |
| | Software, Inc. 1305 Grant Avenue - Suite 200, Novato, CA | 13:31.58 |
| | 94945 USA, or visit http://www.artifex.com/ | 13:31.59 |
| espectalll[m] | Makes me wonder if those fonts have been removed from Linux distros since e.g they would be incompatible with the DFSG | 13:33.44 |
| kens | For some Linux distros I'm sure that is the case | 13:33.57 |
| | I cna't speak for all of them.... | 13:34.17 |
| | ator, having a bad connection day ? | 13:34.32 |
| ator | kens: messing about with ZNC bouncer day | 13:34.43 |
| kens | ah! :-) | 13:34.49 |
| ator | sorry for the connection noise | 13:34.59 |
| Robin_Watts | Tweaking his log on scripts to cope with the change in nick, I bet. | 13:34.59 |
| ator | Robin_Watts: I installed a private ZNC bouncer on my own server | 13:35.25 |
| Robin_Watts | Ah. | 13:35.32 |
| ator | Robin_Watts: #artifex doesn't remember the invite for 'ator' | 13:35.36 |
| Robin_Watts | I wonder why... let me look at my twiki page. | 13:35.55 |
| | ator: https://twiki.ghostscript.com/do/view/Ghostscript/IrcSetup | 13:37.41 |
| | Did you do the "Joining Artifex step?" | 13:37.54 |
| | Try now? | 13:39.04 |
| ator | Robin_Watts: I get "Channel #artifex ator is not registered." | 13:39.44 |
| Robin_Watts | ator: I've invited you to artifex. | 13:40.50 |
| ator | Robin_Watts: yeah. the invite is a one-time only thing. | 13:41.08 |
| | something else needs to be done to make it stick :/ | 13:41.18 |
| Robin_Watts | I hope I've made it permanent. | 13:41.19 |
| | Try: /msg chanserv invite #artifex | 13:41.41 |
| ator | okay, that worked | 13:42.17 |
| | without the nick on the end | 13:42.21 |
| Robin_Watts | will fix the webpage. | 13:43.14 |
| | twiki | 13:43.15 |
| | Forward 1 day (to 2019/01/04)>>> | |
Log of #ghostscript at irc.freenode.net.