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| artifexirc-bot | <Marvin> hello! I have problems converting some ps files to PDF (or PNG for that matter). could be a problem with ImageMagik, too. here are some samples: http://lutolf.vserver.nimag.net/files/primes/ftimes_4.6e4.ps{,pdf,png} ; my problems are image orientation and image quality (the latter being - IMHO - my isuse of ImageMagik) | 09:49.11 |
| | <Robin_Watts> OK, we can't help you with ImageMagick. | 10:33.55 |
| | <Robin_Watts> (or at least, that's not where our primary expertise lies) | 10:34.09 |
| | <Robin_Watts> We can maybe help you with calling ghostscript direct. | 10:34.20 |
| enyc | hrrm, https://ghostscript.com/ doesn't yet point to a new IRC channel | 16:51.10 |
| | all other FOSS projects I've seen have announced or are in middle of announcing move to either libera.chat or OFTC.net irc servers | 16:51.42 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: should now FN become a home for non-FOSS projects? | 17:06.47 |
| enyc | bodqhrohro: I don't know good question, in short the actions of ''staff'' here now desbstrate bad place to be for any except trolling/chaos =) | 17:09.58 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: I see nothing hazardous enough to start panicking and flee somewhere. LC propagandists basically don't leave any chance for the staff to recover the mistakes. For what did they obtain the network then, just to see it pouring through fingers? | 17:14.09 |
| enyc | bodqhrohro: its a hostile takeover and they'v been seen continually retaliating subsequently, taking over channels, banning people mentioning elsehere, and so-on | 17:15.24 |
| | bodqhrohro: i.e. even new staff misbehaving, its' far too late for redemption | 17:15.37 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: they banned people for the agressive LC propaganda. What if channel owners started promoting FN users to migrate to a Facebook group? it looks pretty like that. We use FN, why should we move elsewhere? | 17:17.49 |
| enyc | bodqhrohro: no, its more than that, even any discussion or mention | 17:18.24 |
| | banning channel topics and so on | 17:18.29 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: they wouldn't mention this thing if it didn't exist and agressively steal FN users in the first place, right? | 17:19.27 |
| enyc | bodqhrohro: no, it didn't start there ... it was the hostile takeover in freenode side that led to that | 17:22.26 |
| | 17:41 < TGS> Honestly it has been years since I've had a run-in with a bad op anywhere. But this one in particular seemed especially triggered by any discussion about the current drama regarding the network and tried to shut it down in a channel that has never previously had strict "on-topic" rules. Needless to say it did not go down well. | 17:23.15 |
| | 17:36 < TGS> Honestly though I just saw that someone I had a very unfortunate run-in in a channel here has halfop in #freenode so I can already tell that this new Freenode is clearly giving people power that have no business having it. | 17:23.30 |
| | https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491 | 17:23.37 |
| | etc etc..... | 17:23.39 |
| | bodqhrohro: as a result of freenode problems, both debian and ubuntu declared this a "hostile takeover" and moved channels elsewhere officially. | 17:24.04 |
| | I can understand there are a lot of complaints about the inevitable flames and spam and so on | 17:24.50 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: the takeover is not an excuse for separatism. They could just leave it and go. Migrating to LC and changes on FN are an equal stress for users, but avoiding the migration would be much less destructive. | 17:34.33 |
| artifexirc-bot | <Marvin> https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_suicide | 18:17.53 |
| enyc | bodqhrohro: yes alas the "avodiing migration" is not possible, as the chanserv nickserv etc have already gone, users lost and so on | 18:30.20 |
| | and the problem is *ongoing* staff misbehaviour here wchi is not just histeria/paranoia | 18:30.45 |
| artifexirc-bot | <KenSharp> Folks, if you aren't dicsussing Ghostscript, would you mind taking the discussion elsewhere please ? For what its worth #ghostscript is on libera.chat as well as Freenode | 18:34.19 |
| enyc | artifexirc-bot: for what its' worth any #freenode channel and especially just channels left on freenode are all full of moving/scandals/problems all over the place ... may e good to just fix the links on ghostscript site and then take out bots/links from old freenode | 21:21.41 |
| | ** in any case https://ghostscript.com/ Still has link #ghostscript irc channel (via a browser) (logs) In "devolopers" heading needs updating. | 21:22.08 |
| | pointing to either libera or OFTC (you could link both???) would be good libera sounds sensible in this case | 21:22.58 |
| | freenode scandals and staff takeovers and so-on getting worse should just be expected | 21:23.10 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: so you're going to leave FN users and refuse from bridging too, just like #wayfire and lots of other channels did already, huh? | 21:54.54 |
| enyc | bodqhrohro: well bridging can be maintained if its' not being a scandal / mess if you like | 21:56.16 |
| | bodqhrohro: the improtant thisng in first instance is not to be poniting to freenode | 21:56.30 |
| | never know how bad its' going to go etc | 21:56.41 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: LC is going to turn into a constant place for scandals too if they don't stop to steal FN users. | 21:59.00 |
| enyc | bodqhrohro: I don't think so, the better set of preivous staff moved there | 22:10.11 |
| | tbh also am finding channels (except #freenode ##freenode discussion channels) is all nicely settled and just business-as-was-before | 22:10.37 |
| | that is, on oftc and libera | 22:12.36 |
| | anyhow | 22:12.37 |
| | short-term, ghostscript.com need to decide which they point at on website / wiki/etc | 22:13.05 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: it's not about the staff, it's about abandoned users who visit FN and see lots of semi-dead channels filled with bigots agitating them to migrate somewhere. | 22:13.29 |
| enyc | bodqhrohro: given the staff sitution i don't see that sort of mess improving, best can do is redircet them where possible and in any case point somewhere else as much as possible first | 22:14.05 |
| | openwrt debian devuan ubuntu emacs enlingethment virtualbox etc etc allsorts have done their own re-pointing elsewhere | 22:14.34 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: the existence of LC, where there already is FN, is yet alone a mess. | 22:16.50 |
| enyc | "the world is complex" ... there have already been many irc nets anyhow | 22:19.25 |
| | https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MD826ZM/A/lightning-digital-av-adapter | 22:19.43 |
| | oops | 22:19.46 |
| | bodqhrohro: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php | 22:19.57 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: but none of them were created exactly to kill FN and steal its users. | 22:21.03 |
| enyc | main complaint i see is people not wanting to have too many nets, If ghostscript is espcially debian-focussed then oftc is a good bet, otherwise libera.chat is where most gone. | 22:21.30 |
| | bodqhrohro: I think this is unfair represention, in reality libera is continuation of freenode as-was | 22:22.04 |
| | whats' now named freenode is entirely different | 22:22.11 |
| | thogh both require resetting up channels etc in either case but freenode is becoming the abandned/shunned for good evidential reasons | 22:22.44 |
| | in any case its' now more annoying for users to need freenode as extra irc net anyhow, much as it might have been nice if freenode turned out alright, it didn't | 22:23.08 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: that's what FN was obtained for: to make the largest IRC network better. Which is a ruined idea now, as the userbase is agressively stolen in a few weeks. | 22:24.09 |
| enyc | bodqhrohro: wheres' the evidence for this MFGA / "better" approach? | 22:24.55 |
| artifexirc-bot | <enyc> aha! useful more sensile channel for #ghostscripn now? | 22:25.41 |
| | <enyc> err sensible channel for ghostscript =) | 22:27.09 |
| | <enyc> I think really should have https://ghostscript.com updated not to refer to freenode now please =) | 22:27.29 |
| | <enyc> its' gonig to be scandal ater scandal on freenode and ubuntu/debian/devuan/emacs/libreoffice/ubuntu/openwrt/enlightenment/ etc etc have all pointed to either OFTC or Libera.chat already! | 22:28.17 |
| bodqhrohro | enyc: https://www.irc.com/lets-take-irc-further | 22:30.30 |
| artifexirc-bot | <RayJohnston> What do we have to do? Ban you from #ghostscript? This is NOT a forum for non-ghostscript posts. As Ken pointed out. | 22:30.55 |
| | <enyc> RayJohnston : please can you simply update the ghostscript.com page for IRC link, or PR such change, or get ball rolling in mailing lists, whatever is needed to get IRC pointer sorted out, seems OFTC ghostscript not populated, libera is so latter probbaly makes more sense. | 22:35.21 |
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