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| artifexirc-bot | <velix> Hey. Is it possible to replace a TTF with an OTF of the same font? So same kerning etc. ? | 17:19.33 |
| | <chrisl> Depends.... | 17:20.12 |
| | <chrisl> In general, it probably is, but there are use cases (especially with Ghostscript) where it is not | 17:22.03 |
| | <velix> Okay... so I have to rent Acrobat as it seems :( | 17:24.47 |
| | <chrisl> Well, you certainly can't replace an embedded TTF with, well, anything else. But I assume that's not what you meant | 17:25.38 |
| | <velix> The thing is: I've got Myriad and Minion as OTF (PS) and TTF (word compatible). | 17:26.30 |
| | <velix> The document was created in Word, so it's TTF. | 17:26.41 |
| | <velix> But the PDF needs to be delivered with the PS (OTF). | 17:26.50 |
| | <velix> So I either I need to re-layout it in InDesign | 17:26.58 |
| | <velix> or replace the font ;) | 17:27.01 |
| | <chrisl> Well, if it's already embedded, then no, the ship has sailed. I'd be surprised if Acrobat can do that, frankly | 17:28.01 |
| | <velix> Isn't such preflight stuff all what Acrobat is about? | 17:28.46 |
| | <chrisl> No, pre-flight checks the validity of the PDF | 17:29.04 |
| | <velix> Hm? In my Acrobat trial, I've TONS of stuff to change colors, fix PDF etc. | 17:29.45 |
| | <velix> I can insert missing fonts, re-render images | 17:29.55 |
| | <velix> convert color spaces etc. | 17:29.58 |
| | <velix> All under "preflight". | 17:30.04 |
| | <chrisl> "insert missing fonts" is not "replace embedded fonts" | 17:30.24 |
| | <velix> Okay. I think I'll outsource the layouting then. 150 pages... that'll take some weeks ;) | 17:31.30 |
| | <chrisl> Out of curiosity, why does it have to be delivered with an OTTO font? | 17:32.17 |
| | <velix> chrisl: Unfortunately, this is the requirement beside accessibility stuff. | 17:33.13 |
| | <velix> chrisl: I've spent lots of money on those font licenses now. | 17:33.24 |
| | <velix> I'm sad, Word still can reat OTF (PS) fonts, but not output them ;) | 17:33.37 |
| | <velix> read* | 17:33.41 |
| | <chrisl> Seems dumb, frankly | 17:33.50 |
| | <chrisl> And it *has* to be an OTTO font, and not a Postscript type font? | 17:34.44 |
| | <velix> let me look up the exact wording | 17:35.21 |
| | <chrisl> Because Ghostscript doesn't *ever* embed an OTTO font | 17:35.38 |
| | <velix> I'm not using Ghostscript to create the PDF. I want to use it to edit/distill the PDF ;) | 17:36.57 |
| | <velix> Requirements (translated): The Myriad Pro Regular/Semibold and Minion Pro Regular/Semibold fonts as Open Type are mandatory. If they are not already installed, they are available at fonts.adobe.com | 17:37.07 |
| | <velix> That's where I've purchased them | 17:37.12 |
| | <chrisl> Well, as I say, Ghostscript will never embed to OTTO fonts - that just pointlessly makes the PDF larger | 17:38.02 |
| | <velix> TTC, OTTO and OTC - that's all soo confusing. | 17:39.17 |
| | <velix> I miss the times, when they were Type 1 and TTF. | 17:39.23 |
| | <velix> Everyting was clear. | 17:39.27 |
| | <velix> Type1 = professional stuff, TTF = hobby | 17:39.36 |
| | <velix> now we have CFF outlines, CJK fonts and... what else. | 17:39.59 |
| | <velix> SFNT ? | 17:40.25 |
| | <chrisl> SFNT is TTF | 17:40.32 |
| | <velix> :D | 17:40.38 |
| | <chrisl> CFF is a different way of (mostly) encoding the data from a Type 1 font | 17:41.05 |
| | <velix> I've seen there are dynamic fonts in the new InDesign | 17:41.41 |
| | <velix> One font with two scrollbar. | 17:41.48 |
| | <velix> scrollbars | 17:41.52 |
| | <chrisl> dynamic fonts are a pain, and I hope they will die a rapid death | 17:42.11 |
| | <chrisl> They are not dissimilar to Multiple Master fonts, which were a "morphing" outline technology based on Type 1 | 17:43.01 |
| | <velix> Actually, the requirements say "as Open Type are mandatory" | 17:43.33 |
| | <velix> Open Type can be both. | 17:43.43 |
| | <velix> OpenType (TrueType flavor) AND OpenType (PostScript flavor) | 17:43.49 |
| | <velix> and = or | 17:43.53 |
| | <velix> So, actually I'm fine with my TrueType flavor things. | 17:44.14 |
| | <chrisl> Indeed yes. There is no plausible reason to required OTTO over TTF | 17:44.28 |
| | <velix> Sorry for my confusion, but I thought OTTO is just the type code of OpenType? | 17:45.15 |
| | <chrisl> OTTO is the file "magic number" for OpenType fonts using CFF outlines | 17:45.46 |
| | <velix> Acoording to Wikipedia, it's just the magic number of OpenType in general? | 17:46.24 |
| | <chrisl> Well, not really because, as you say, OpenType includes both TTF outlines and CFF outlines | 17:46.48 |
| | <velix> Yeah, that's what confused me. I thought it's always OTTO, but the metadata describes if it's TTF or CFF outlines. | 17:47.21 |
| | <velix> no no no, that doesn't make fun anymore :) | 17:47.53 |
| | <chrisl> OpenType has more metadata tables that TrueType permitted, so perhaps they mean, whether outlines are CFF or TTF the metadata has to be OpenType | 17:48.58 |
| | <chrisl> s/that/than | 17:49.06 |
| | <velix> Thanks for the talk. Maybe it's fine like it is now ;) | 17:50.19 |
| | <chrisl> No problem. Frankly, fonts are a bit of minefield - and we didn't even have to get into CIDFonts! Which is a relief | 17:51.15 |
| | <velix> chrisl: Which tools do you use to distinguish, if an OTF is TT or PS? | 18:49.57 |
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