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| artifexirc-bot | <ManDay> Uhm, has this channel not migrated from Freenode?! | 14:14.56 |
| | <KenSharp> Yes | 14:15.31 |
| | <KenSharp> Our IRC is no longer on freenode | 14:15.38 |
| | <KenSharp> Freenode is still, I think, hosting a #ghostscript channel but we don't monitor it any longer | 14:15.59 |
| | <KenSharp> In fact the best way to talk to the Ghostscript and MuPDF developers is on Discord | 14:16.23 |
| | <ManDay> Ah okay, what is this weirdness then? No channel topic, you're communicating through a bot? | 14:16.41 |
| | <ManDay> Also, I think this was much larger than 13 users back when I last came here | 14:16.59 |
| | <KenSharp> I'm on Discord, we are using umm Matterbridge ? to bridge our Discord and IRC | 14:17.16 |
| | <ManDay> Ah okay. | 14:17.45 |
| | <KenSharp> Well we barely use IRC now, we maintain the bridge as a convenience to those who cannot, or do not wish to, use Discord | 14:17.55 |
| | <chrisl> We killed the freenode bridge because of the *insane* amounts of spam it was bombarded with | 14:18.31 |
| | <ManDay> Well my question was concerning MuPDF, since Gentoo added an xorg-proto build dependency for 1.19, but I don't find anything in the MuPDF repo which would indicate that had been added (it irritates me, because I'm on wayland) | 14:18.44 |
| | <ManDay> any idea whether that dep is correct? | 14:19.06 |
| | <KenSharp> You'd do better on #mupdf then, either on IRC or on Discord | 14:19.09 |
| | <chrisl> The mupdf-x11 binary depends on, well, x11 | 14:19.20 |
| | <KenSharp> Yeah I was going to say.... | 14:19.29 |
| | <ManDay> chrisl: I've earlier versions than 1.19 running just fine on wayland without any x11 libs | 14:19.50 |
| | <KenSharp> I'm assuming that Gentoo is supplying the X version of MuPDF | 14:19.51 |
| | <chrisl> ManDay: Of mupdf-x11 ? | 14:20.05 |
| | <ManDay> No, there is no X here, but mupdf works (as a zathura backend) | 14:20.10 |
| | <chrisl> Right. There's no X dependency on the core library, nor the command line tools - mutool, muraster, etc | 14:20.49 |
| | <chrisl> s/on/in | 14:20.59 |
| | <ManDay> KenSharp (desperately tries to tab-complete), #mupdf here on libera? | 14:21.05 |
| | <ManDay> chrisl: did you just revise your statement "The mupdf-x11 binary depends on, well, x11" ? | 14:21.40 |
| | <chrisl> Nope | 14:21.55 |
| | <KenSharp> libera, yes if you want to use IRC | 14:22.10 |
| | <chrisl> The mupdf core does not depend on X | 14:22.12 |
| | <chrisl> The mupdf-x11 *binary* depends on X | 14:22.23 |
| | <KenSharp> MuPDF has a number of viewers, one of them uses X11 | 14:22.33 |
| | <chrisl> Possibly, the mupdf-gl viewer also depends on X11, not sure | 14:22.53 |
| artifexirc-bot | <KenSharp> has no clue | 14:23.07 |
| | <ManDay> Hm, that is confusing. The "thing" that I have running on Gentoo without X11 is app-text/mupdf, the ONLY mupdf package and it doesn't have a USE flag for binary or not. But indeed, I don't have a binary called mupdf | 14:23.11 |
| | <ManDay> Ah, probably the opengl USE flag builds that then | 14:23.25 |
| | <ManDay> anyway, I'll ask #mupdf about the dep. thanks y'all | 14:23.41 |
| | <KenSharp> No problem | 14:23.47 |
| | <chrisl> I would expect Zathura to be using a mupdf library, not an executable | 14:24.02 |
| | <ManDay> chrisl: indeed it does | 14:24.19 |
| | <chrisl> So, there should be no dependency on X for the core library. | 14:24.56 |
| | <ManDay> well, they added the dep on xorg-proto with 1.19, though ONLY that and nothing else | 14:25.27 |
| | <chrisl> Is there a libmupdf package? | 14:25.30 |
| | <ManDay> nope. only: app-text/mupdf-1.19.0:0/1.19.0::gentoo [1.18.0-r4:0/1.18.0::gentoo] USE="javascript ssl -X -opengl" | 14:26.02 |
| | <ManDay> Probably either X or opengl toggle compilation of the binary, haven't checked | 14:26.33 |
| | <chrisl> Pass, I really don't know how gentoo packaging works.... | 14:30.23 |
| | <ManDay> chrisl: packages are compiled from source and configuration (of compiletime options) takes place through toggling those USE flags you saw there | 15:10.00 |
| | <ManDay> so (apparently) with the USE flags like that I only get the core libs, while with something like USE="... +X ..." I would probably get the binary, too | 15:10.34 |
| | <chrisl> ManDay: Yeh, I know gentoo doesn't (generally) distribute binaries, but builds from source locally. But that's the extent of my information. I don't know anything about the mechanics of it, or configuration of it. | 15:11.32 |
| | <ManDay> now you do :p | 15:11.47 |
| | <chrisl> Don't worry, I'll have forgotten again by tomorrow! | 15:12.04 |
| | <ManDay> anyway, ftr, #mupdf confirmed that the dependency on xorg-proto is wrong | 15:12.06 |
| | <ManDay> chrisl: yeah, better so. brain ressources are limited | 15:12.18 |
| | <ManDay> but you can now claim that "once, I knew how this worked!" :D | 15:12.46 |
| | <chrisl> Just too many distributions each with their own packaging peculiarities. I long ago gave up trying to keep an handle on them all | 15:13.10 |
| | <ManDay> which distro you on? | 15:13.31 |
| | <chrisl> Ubuntu.... sorry! | 15:14.27 |
| | <ManDay> well, if you like it :p that's all that matters in the end | 15:15.08 |
| | <chrisl> Actually, strictly speaking: XUbuntu. I used to like it a lot... less keen these days. But I'm not putting the time into changing until I get a new computer | 15:16.34 |
| | <ManDay> If you want a recommendation for moving from Ubuntu, use Fedora. Brilliant Distro | 15:17.04 |
| | <chrisl> I've used Fedora, yes. Actually, one reason I *may* end up staying with Ubuntu is because all our testing infrastructure is Ubuntu | 15:17.52 |
| | <ManDay> Yeah that's often the catch, you're tied into the system | 15:18.40 |
| | <chrisl> I end up using a lot of distros, but in VMs, when people report problems that I can't reproduce locally, I often end up installing the distro they use to see if it's specific to that | 15:19.18 |
| | <RayJohnston> Do you happen to know if that'll work with WSL? I've had problems getting updates from Ubuntu recently on my WSL install. | 16:30.27 |
| | <RayJohnston> I may try Fedora in a VM to see if anything I do seems "better" | 16:31.24 |
| | <RayJohnston> note that I *rarely* use any X11 (gtk, ...) app. Almost exclusively CLI | 16:32.14 |
| | <Robin_Watts> Fedora Remix is available from the microsoft store. | 16:48.00 |
| | <Robin_Watts> oof. they are charging $10 for it! | 16:48.16 |
| | <Robin_Watts> What version of Ubuntu are you using on WSL ? | 16:48.52 |
| | <Robin_Watts> @HenryStiles I've catted all the ATS files into a single file here, and I'm running gpcl6 on it. I'm not seeing growth over time. How many times did you need to run the file through to see the growth you reported? Just once? | 16:51.34 |
| | <KenSharp> @Robin_Watts should be on ghostscript_tech if you want Henr to reply I suspect | 16:52.00 |
| | <Robin_Watts> Rats. ta. | 16:52.09 |
| | <HenryStiles> I do read here occasionally. | 16:52.52 |
| artifexirc-bot | <KenSharp> gets the channel wrong all the time | 16:52.57 |
| | <RayJohnston> 5.10.16.3-microsoft-standard-WSL2 #1 SMP Fri Apr 2 22:23:49 UTC 2021 x86_64 | 16:54.38 |
| | <RayJohnston> He's always on #notwork 😉 [but he may not have notifications on for that] | 16:56.05 |
| | <RayJohnston> OMG. Charging ??? I supposed I can get a low interest loan for the cost 😉 | 16:57.07 |
| | <Robin_Watts> `lsb_release -a` | 16:58.06 |
| | <Robin_Watts> That tells me I'm on Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS | 16:58.22 |
| | <Robin_Watts> I was a fairly early adopter, so I started on 16.x and had to distupgrade to get the newer versions. | 16:58.59 |
| | <Robin_Watts> How did you get that version string? | 16:59.35 |
| | <RayJohnston> sorry -- was afk. I used 'uname -a' | 18:05.59 |
| | <RayJohnston> lsb_release -a gives: Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS | 18:06.50 |
| | <Robin_Watts> @RayJohnston Interesting. I get `4.4.0-19041-Microsoft #1237-Microsoft Sat Sep 11 14:32:00 PST 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux` | 19:03.06 |
| | <Robin_Watts> You've got WSL2 there - is that Windows 11 ? | 19:03.27 |
| | <RayJohnston> I think I'm just going to uninstall and reinstall. (I have Win 10) | 19:03.48 |
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