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ator kiwi_66: putting N pages into one page is a non-trivial problem. there's no built-in command to do it in mutool.09:44.50 
  malc_: define "misleading positions"11:06.48 
  malc_: I think I see the problem. the outline links have destinations that look like this: [ 15 0 R /FitH ]11:16.16 
  there should be a number after FitH which gives the 'top' coordinate: [ <page> /FitH <top> ]11:16.53 
Zsolt hello14:10.19 
mubot Welcome to #mupdf, the channel for MuPDF. If you have a question, please ask it, don't ask to ask it. Do be prepared to wait for a reply as devs will check the logs and reply when they come on line.14:10.19 
Zsolt ModDate (D:20200130185104+02'00') mean that UTC modification hour is 18:51:04?15:10.49 
  sebras: are you there?15:29.42 
sebras Kantor: you are forgetting the timezone modifier at the end.15:34.20 
Kantor the point was to make sure the time is in UTC + the local time15:36.43 
  so if my local time is UTC + 8 hour it will be ModDate (D:<the UTC date>+08'00'), right?15:38.18 
  sebras: I'm getting some really strange metadata date output in adobe acrobat and abbyy finereader vs mutool15:40.29 
  wait I need more time to investigate . . . maybe I'm interpreting it wrongly . . .15:41.18 
  hi18:48.15 
mubot Welcome to #mupdf, the channel for MuPDF. If you have a question, please ask it, don't ask to ask it. Do be prepared to wait for a reply as devs will check the logs and reply when they come on line.18:48.15 
Kantor Where I live the timezone is UTC+2+1 (for daylight saving time). I have a pdf with ModDate (D:20200130185104+02'00') which is hour 18:51:04 + 02:00, but in Adobe Acrobat DC (and ABBYY pdf FineReader) the pdf file modification date is displayed as 7:51:04 PM19:29.25 
  why is Adobe and ABBYY display 7:51:04 PM??19:30.15 
  sebras: are you there?20:11.28 
sebras Kantor: probably becase D:20200130185104+02'00' corresponds to D:20200130165104+00'00' and then this gets rendered in your local timezone (UTC+3h as you mentioned) into 2020-jan-30 19:51:04. but I don't have the source code for Adobe and ABBYY, so I can't know for sure what they do. to know for sure you must ask them.21:14.23 
Kantor sebras: ok, thanks. but if there are 2 pdfs and one has no deviation from UTC and the other has a + 1, 2 etc. hours which makes the one with the + deviation to have a greater total time compared to the first, that means that the second pdf was modified later?21:25.16 
  e.g.21:25.20 
  pdf_1: 3:50:00 PM; pdf_2 3:50:00+2:00 PM21:26.11 
  pdf_2 was modified after pdf_1?21:26.34 
  sebras: D:20200130185104+02'00' is not in fact D:20200130205104 ??21:29.30 
  like hour 18+2 = 2021:29.58 
  why do you subtract if you have a + ?21:30.48 
sebras I remember giving you my opinion yesterday. if you want to do the analysis yourself you need to read section 3.8.3 Dates in PDF Reference sixth edition Version 1.7 from November 2006. it is available as a free PDF here: https://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf/pdf_reference_archive.html21:32.11 
  you also asked me how Adobe Acrobat DC and ABBYY reader render their dates. I gave you my guess. if that is not enough you need to contact the authors of those pieces of software.21:32.55 
  I need to step out for a bit now, so I won't be able to respond to your messages.21:33.16 
Kantor ok, sorry for bothering you21:33.32 
  you helped me a lot21:33.37 
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