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Kantor hi12:13.08 
mubot Welcome to #mupdf, the channel for MuPDF. If you have a question, please ask it, don't ask to ask it. Do be prepared to wait for a reply as devs will check the logs and reply when they come on line.12:13.08 
Kantor could somebody send me a link to the latest pdf specifications?12:13.44 
sebras Kantor: PDF 2.0 is not publicly available unfortunately.12:15.10 
Kantor sebras: than the last most recent which is available . . .12:15.40 
  I found the 1.6 which dates from 200412:17.40 
sebras Kantor: pdf reference 1.7 is available from adobe12:19.15 
Kantor ok, thanks12:19.34 
  I will search for it12:19.40 
  I found nice standard references for pdf on wikipedia pdf entry12:22.56 
  sebras: pdf 1.8 and 1.9 is skipped by adobe?12:24.28 
kens Adobe turned over the specification to the ISO at version 1.712:25.35 
  They then released a number of Adobe-specific updates. The ISO took the decision to change the version number to 2.012:26.01 
Kantor ok thanks12:26.53 
sebras Kantor: and since 2.0 ISO charges for the specification.12:30.34 
Kantor what's bad is the ISO docs are for charge, right? while from adobe you can download 1.7 and older specs for free12:30.46 
  yes I know12:30.56 
  the same thing with the C programming language specs12:31.24 
  The very first ANSI C book is free on the Internet but newer C specifications are released by ISO12:32.31 
  which is for money12:32.38 
  could somebody tell me what is the difference between the adobe pdf 1.7 specification doc and this 1.7 document management book12:37.24 
  https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/PDF32000_2008.pdf12:37.24 
  this is part of the 1.7 specification or is something else?12:38.15 
kens Essentially, none. That's the version 1.7 specification as adopted by the ISO12:38.20 
sebras Kantor: none.12:38.29 
kens And with their boilerplate crap inserted12:38.31 
sebras kens: you beat me to it. :)12:38.43 
Kantor ok thank you, I will stick to the original pdf 1.7 specs. than12:39.36 
kens The 1.7 spec is better, it still has an index12:39.46 
sebras and poorer readability. I suggest using Adobe's 1.7 version unless specific 2.0 things are interesting.12:39.48 
kens I agree completely with sebras, I always use the Adobe 1.7 specification unless I need something 2.0 specific, which is rare12:40.40 
  The ISO documentation is much harder to read, and to find the information you want12:41.07 
Kantor I'm interested only in generic pdf things12:41.44 
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