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Robin_Watts malc_: No. I've used an ergonomic keyboard for the past 20 years, so the idea of moving away is just bonkers to me.08:47.32 
malc_ Robin_Watts: some form of MS ergonomical?08:53.52 
Robin_Watts yeah. the ms natural keyboard originally (which I still have, but the space key is annoyingly knackered). I have a newer version of the same now.08:55.01 
  I really want exactly the same keyboard, but with better switches.08:55.38 
malc_ Robin_Watts: there is a soviet comedy with your exact unachievable goals, it got the character into trouble :)08:56.41 
  the character was looking for for a bath robe for his wife... he wanted EAXACTLY that but with pearl buttons08:57.32 
kens Personally I liked the original Mac oen the best, two wedges you could open and close08:58.18 
malc_ and i con only suggest kinnetix and maltron... and there are plethora of split things but and i'm sure there are natural look alikes with cherry or some chinese clones08:58.25 
  kens: oen?08:58.45 
kens one08:58.50 
malc_ ah topy08:59.04 
kens exactly08:59.20 
malc_ i believe the "original" macs used alps switches09:00.15 
  hard to get given that alps is out of business09:00.27 
kens I don't knwo I'm afraid it was a very long time ago. I did use the MS keyboard for many years, I ended up pounding two to death09:00.48 
malc_ https://www.youtube.com/user/Chyrosran2209:01.21 
  kens: you managed to pound rubber domes to death?09:01.45 
  that's quite a feat09:01.49 
kens I type quite firmly :-)09:02.01 
malc_ kens: i can only imagine tors scolding...09:10.52 
kens Tor keeps trying to persuade me to get a better keyboard09:11.20 
malc_ i bet it's realforce09:12.00 
kens He's made several sugegstions, I really shuld do something about it09:12.26 
malc_ i can only second the realforce one...09:12.50 
  topres are kewl09:13.03 
kens I'd go for an ergonomic one if I ever get round to changing09:13.26 
malc_ kens: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ergonomical%20mechanical%20keyboard&search=Search09:28.10 
  not a ergonomic user myself so that's the best thing i can do09:28.27 
kens Yes, there are still a lot of them around09:28.55 
malc_ kens: we have https://geekboards.ru/ so i just go to their showroom and try stuff out09:30.59 
kens I'd probably have to go to London09:31.23 
malc_ eh? aren't all eglishmen live in london already? and the country side is left to the celts?09:32.09 
kens Who are you calling English ? O.O09:32.42 
malc_ hides... SORRY!09:33.14 
kens will let you off with a warning09:33.25 
malc_ it's Robin who's engilsh09:33.31 
  THANKS!09:33.39 
kens Yes Robin is very English09:33.41 
malc_ could just feel his life hanging by a thread09:34.22 
  feal09:34.38 
kens No feel is correct09:34.47 
malc_ kewl!09:34.53 
  i should learn myself some scotts or at least glaswegian09:35.30 
kens Scots is a dialect of English, the language of Scotland is Gaelic09:36.03 
  Which unfortunately wasn't taught in school in my childhood09:36.30 
sebras kens: there is a slight risk that you'd be considered english over here. or possibly american.09:38.21 
kens More than slight I'd have thought09:38.33 
sebras kens: I was trying to be polite. :)09:38.43 
kens Well I couldn't tell the difference between two native Chinese speakers ferom different provinces speaking Madarin, so I can't really complain09:39.14 
sebras kens: I do know how to say scotland in chinese though! it sounds like sugarland. :)09:39.37 
  kens: nope, most people living in .uk probably can't (except beijing vs taiwan I can't either! :) ).09:40.32 
kens Still more than I could manage09:40.46 
kens is heading out for a run09:40.55 
malc_ beijing? a city? vs? taiwan? the island? wtf??09:41.12 
malc_ crawls back to his hole09:41.19 
kens Why not / London has different accents too09:41.28 
  And even Cockney rhyming slang.....09:41.41 
sebras malc_: yeah, I was talking about accents, not the land itself.09:42.01 
malc_ Cockney is not a language but abomination upon the lord09:42.06 
  there is only received pronunciation09:42.23 
  sebras: gotcha09:42.34 
  my bad09:42.35 
kens Hardly anyone outside the aristocracy does received pronunciation these days09:43.02 
  Even teh Queen has changed; he accent is different to 70 years ago09:43.28 
malc_ BBC people have to, no?09:43.34 
kens Oh no, not since ages09:43.44 
malc_ damn09:43.53 
kens That's so last millenium09:43.54 
  There was a concerted effort to get mor regional accents into the BBC in the 1980s I think it was.09:44.36 
  I don't think they bother any more, whatever accent you've got is fine09:44.46 
sebras kens: you were heading out for a run, don't let us hold you up. :)09:46.33 
kens I'm going, honest....09:46.42 
malc_ kens: on the second floor of the house is bergen where first floor was rented for me lived a bunch of english construction workers... i could barely understand them09:46.50 
kens Just had a thought and needed to look at the PDF Reference09:46.51 
  malc_: they were probably putting it on to confuse you :-)09:47.13 
malc_ nah they were honest to god straight blokes from (Manchester was it?)09:47.39 
  :) anyhoo good run09:47.46 
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